A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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We have Dorne through the Martells, we have the Royces to handle the Vale (and we're slowly making progress with the Graftons, if indirectly), we have Rina's mother Lady Cox (though her father was unfortunately turned into a fanatic by Baelor) in the Riverlands, we have Lord Brune and Lord Velaryon in the Narrow Sea, the Reach has a good chance of supporting us if our conversation with Lord Redwyne was any indication, and we've made overtures with Lord Manderly so that at the very least the North and Lord Stark know they need to focus on the Long Night rather than standing against us. The Westerlands are pretty firmly under the thumb of the Lannisters.
Stannis will definitely feel obligated to stand against us out of an eroding sense of duty to Robert, but he'll likely bend the knee after the conquest is done if we tell him we need the rightful Lord of Storm's End to rule the Stormlands. We really did a number on him in social combat.
Crake
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All of Dorne.
The Point Lords.
Royce of Runestone and we're angling to get Grafton of Gulltown.
We are also trying to form a base of support in the Riverlands and have made some inroads there.
We are making progress on the Iron Isles.
The North is warming up to us, pun intended.
Over half the Narrow Sea houses. Say three quarters.
We actually have some support in the Crownlands. Call it one third if you include the Point.
We have done Stannis many favors, but our relationship is complicated. Viserys has a lot of respect for him and by Stannis' hard standards the feeling is mutual.
There are some stragglers elsewhere. Call it maybe enough to form an army just barely if they weren't all so far apart. They are, unfortunately. We need to do more work.
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Right, the Iron Isles too. I keep forgetting about them.
@mrsean22, Azel's made some nice maps on what regions are part of the Imperium already, which ones are unofficially sworn to us (like the Iron Islands), which ones are targets for diplomacy, and which ones are invasion targets. If you haven't already seen those, you can find them in the Information table under the name "Map Collections".
Seems kinda small on unofficial vassals. Like there got to be more Targ loyalists. Is it just what Viserys has done on his own? Like there should be some loyalists in the Riverlands and the Reach. Also numbers of troops they can raise would be helpful for invasion plans.
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There could certainly be more. The unofficial vassals we're listing are the ones we've personally confirmed.
Crake
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Unless we personally get their word of support, we can't rely on them. Nobles are wary of treachery, since it is punished more harshly by lawful rulers. Whereas non definite support allows someone to play the field a bit.
Of course if we didn't care about laws, none of that would matter and we might kill people out of spite. Fortunate for Westeros, huh?
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That's kind of complex. There are Loyalists and then there's 'loyalists,' if you understand my meaning. Who raises the three-headed dragon once the Conquest begins will depend on who the lords think is going to win, so there's likely to be a difference between now and when it actually goes down. You can roughly divide the westerosi into four major factions. You have those loyal to the Faith, the Lannisters, the Baratheons, and the Targaryens, with a fair amount of neutrals.
Going down a list the regions:
Dorne is firmly behind us. They're one of the smallest and weakest regions in westeros, but have a good magical setup going, some excellent leadership, and serve as an excellent base for invasion largely immune to retaliation.
The Stormlands are firmly Baratheon, obviously. There are some minor lords who supported the Targaryens in the rebellion like the Conningtons and the Lonmouths, but they were heavily punished and a minority regardless. The matter is made murky by Stannis/Fenly being in charge, both of whom have good reason to work with us, so the situation can go a lot of ways.
The Reach is the largest and most powerful region in Westeros, and fought for the Targs in the Rebellion. They aren't fans of the Lannisters or the Baratheons, so right now the Faith and the Fey are the ones battling for their loyalty. I imagine we'll get major and minor lords to bend the knee but the overall region will be heavily contested, as both factions have good reason to fear and loathe us.
The Crownlands is historically the Targaryen's region and thus their loyalties fall to us, but with the rebels in King's Landing a bunch of them have flipped. We've got peripheral lords like the Point, the Narrow Sea, and places like the Wendwater and Duskendale, but there's a lot of turncoats.
The Riverlands will almost certainly be a clusterfuck, but a fair bit will depend on what Hoster Tully does. We've got the eastern lords, Hoster's got the bunch near Riverrun sewn up, and the rest - like the Freys - are a toss-up. Whoever gives them a better option has their 'loyalty,' I imagine.
The Westerlands are behind Tywin, obviously, although I'm willing to bet there are cracks we can pry at. Tywin's style of rule engenders a good amount of bitterness, and that's not even assuming he used mind control on his vassals.
The Iron Isles are under us with the Reader basically swearing fealty already, but the Illithids have strong influence there and will undoubtedly start shit. Depends on how much work Rodrick gets done until the invasion, but best case scenario the Iron Fleet will e ready to kick ass in our name.
The North should be fairly trivial to render neutral, whether through making friends with Ned or making a deal with his unhappy vassals.
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Making lots of good points here. Mostly curious and I like thinking of how to invade Westeros. Who to send a legion to secure a kingdom for future battles. Like invade the Crownlands to get PR and more troops. Send a Legion to the Vale with Waymar to help take it easier. Legion to the Riverlands to gather the loyalists. Have the Iron Isles raid the Westerlands and destroy the Lannister fleet. Stuff like that. Not helpful now but fun to think about.
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We should already be making move towards this. Everyone important in the Legion, Inquisition, and our administration should be getting a PfE item. That was one of the driving forces for us hiring so many crafters from the Opaline Vault.
But yeah, full agreement from me.
Crake
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As it almost certainly costs too much in the short term, we need to create Circle of PfE items to create checkpoints going into and out of Government buildings or customs centers, as well as some for Legion camps.
This helps filter out meat puppets.
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Well now, that is a very good idea.
What about permanencied Hallow effects with Magic Circle Against Evil as the secondary effect?
EDIT: Radius of 40 ft, and via @Goldfish we can boost the CLs pretty damn high.
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Crake
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That works for fixed locations, but Legions are mobile.
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Point, it'd only solve half the problem.
We really need to design and get DP to approve our own Legion Standard, with a PfE effect for every legionnaire the banner is connected to.
EDIT: Wait, Hallow automatically has Magic Circle Against Evil. We could stick Invisibility Purge as the secondary effect.
This would be a godsend for Inquisition bases. Take that, Quasits!
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The Riverlands are going to be a clusterfuck indeed. Remember that Bloodraven still has an ace up his sleeve in the form of the Mudd Wight King.
That said, we mustn't forget that we're running under constant Mindblank. This means that Bloodraven can no longer run interference or cover for us like he did before. Remember the Fey Court in the Riverlands. Bloodraven diplomaced them ahead of time to make them susceptible to Viserys.
Now more than ever it is critical that we coordinate with him, lest we accidentally run over a number of houses of cards he carefully built across months if not years.
That said, we mustn't forget that we're running under constant Mindblank. This means that Bloodraven can no longer run interference or cover for us like he did before. Remember the Fey Court in the Riverlands. Bloodraven diplomaced them ahead of time to make them susceptible to Viserys.
Now more than ever it is critical that we coordinate with him, lest we accidentally run over a number of houses of cards he carefully built across months if not years.
Crake
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That would be useful, but if the banner goes down protection goes with it, so redundant item for officers is a must at some point, government officials too.
Using those 'lesser' PfE items that break compulsions with pain might help.
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Speaking of the Deep Ones, did we ever get a chance to vote on whether to do some actual research on the Githzerai? Or even cast some knowledge boosters to see what's up with them in general terms?
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You have my full support in this. I want every officer of importance to have a PfE item, and I'd prefer it be an actual PfE item.
Crake
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Whatever gets the Budget Board on board, if you know what I mean.
I will settle for checkpoint methods to filter out people who are being mind controlled. We can even start doing this for free short term, Dany has free Hallow effects 1/day. And they last for at least a year.
She could have over 300 important locations warded in 12 months, there is no reason not to do this. It costs us nothing.
This is even taking into account that some of those days she'll need forms other than Celestial. Celestial in itself is really good for combat too and sometimes we don't even use the form when planning for combat.
We should start doing this now. In the middle of this turn. We have half a month left and Dany won't need to worry about combat for all of it.
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I know full well.
It'll have to be a slow, slow progress given all the other calls on crafting time, but I really do believe that in future months we can start allocating more and more crafting time solely for PfE for strategic purposes. It'll be a work in progress, but as we keep training more mages this will only get more feasible. We can work from the upper ranks and slowly trickle our way down to everyone els.We'll need to remember to take care of this the second we're back home. That or simply vote to remember to do this so we can point to it later.
Crake
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I know full well.
We'll need to remember to take care of this the second we're back home. That or simply vote to remember to do this so we can point to it later.
Also, the Hallow effect automatically counts as a Circle of PfE effect within its radius. What the secondary effect should be is Invisibility Purge. For people who are wising up to this method of infiltration and are trying to ghost in.
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Already realized that.
I'm far too used to being cheated out of the free Magic Circle Against Evil effect for our Weirwood Heart Trees.EDIT: Wait, Hallow automatically has Magic Circle Against Evil. We could stick Invisibility Purge as the secondary effect.
Can Hollow effects be stacked? Because there is some fantastic cheese we could pull off...
Crake
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Already realized that.
I'm far too used to being cheated out of the free Magic Circle Against Evil effect for our Weirwood Heart Trees.
Can Hollow effects be stacked? Because there is some fantastic cheese we could pull off...
I'm not sure if they can, but they have a 40 ft radius meaning you could have two parts to any check point, one with Invisibility Purge and one with another effect, if you wanted.
To add to the above, @Duesal, I think there's two uses for this spell. One, you can apply it to a 40-ft Radius area, or two, you can ward the whole site.
If your goal was to just create a check point in and out of a building, you could use 40-ft increments when planning the checkpoints themselves.
But if you want to ward a whole building with the other use of Hallow, you can't overlap effects.
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