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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Yeah, underestimating Robert's ability to smash shit with his hammer is a dumb idea. When he provides us the opportunity let's just murder him in the most convenient fashion available.

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DragonParadox said:
Here's a bit about how I see fighting prowess is Westeros:

There are certain plateaus of ability that are difficult or impossible to surpass:

Level 1 to 5: Take a healthy motivated individual and give him the best possible tutors and you get this at most. Ser Richard is in the upper range of this, he was squire to a prince
Level 6 to 10: Harden that individual through years of combat that should by rights have killed him an he might get this far.
Level 11 to 15: Living legends, people like the Sword of the Morning, Baristan the Bold in his heyday of even the Kingslayer
Level 16 to 20: "Divine blessing" range You are incredibly unlikely so see warriors of this stature.
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This.
 
Why does everyone want to kill Robert? As far as I can see he's nkt much worse the most of the magister's we've vassalized. I think if the option comes up we should spare his life and have the old gods put a Divine Geas on him to fight the White Walkers. That way we can avoid Jon Arryn from completing souring against us, Ned from being too put out, and Stannis from feeling its a filial duty to oppose us.
 
drewski346 said:
Why does everyone want to kill Robert? As far as I can see he's nkt much worse the most of the magister's we've vassalized. I think if the option comes up we should spare his life and have the old gods put a Divine Geas on him to fight the White Walkers. That way we can avoid Jon Arryn from completing souring against us, Ned from being too put out, and Stannis from feeling its a filial duty to oppose us.
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It's the issue of legitimacy and him being the last King of Westeros. Best case, we make him an offer and he voluntarily steps down to take the black, but apparently that is unlikely to work.

So he is a vital keystone of the old order that will not fold quietly. Which means he will go the way of all who oppose us.
 
We could have Cersei kill him. I mean tell her that Bobby B suspects the true lineage of her kids and watch the fireworks come forth from that. Either she gets caught and the Lannister and Robert go to war or she kills him and we get sown discord throughout the realms.
 
drewski346 said:
Why does everyone want to kill Robert? As far as I can see he's nkt much worse the most of the magister's we've vassalized. I think if the option comes up we should spare his life and have the old gods put a Divine Geas on him to fight the White Walkers. That way we can avoid Jon Arryn from completing souring against us, Ned from being too put out, and Stannis from feeling its a filial duty to oppose us.
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The last three things aren't priorities for us at all.

The Arryns are going to be outright replaced with the Royces. Ned doesn't need to like us, he just needs to shut up and prepare for the Long Night. And Stannis is iffy, but he'll probably end up cooperating with the better king out of a sense of duty.
 
Azel said:
It's the issue of legitimacy and him being the last King of Westeros. Best case, we make him an offer and he voluntarily steps down to take the black, but apparently that is unlikely to work.

So he is a vital keystone of the old order that will not fold quietly. Which means he will go the way of all who oppose us.
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Oh, I don't expect him to listen to diplomacy, I just meant after we beat the shit out of him instead of killing him we Geas him.
 
I still maintain that King Joffrey with Cersei as his de-facto regent would be the greatest thing since the invention of magic for us.

We would be hard pressed to find more inept and pointlessly cruel people to run our opposition, even if we looked in the Abyss.
 
drewski346 said:
Oh, I don't expect him to listen to diplomacy, I just meant after we beat the shit out of him instead of killing him we Geas him.
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No dice from me. Either he takes the peaceful solution up front or he is a casualty of war.

Even offering him a peaceful resolution will cost us some political capital and will be viewed as a tremendous concession by Ned and Stannis. We have every single right in the world to murder him without any prompting or regret, and absolutely everyone knows this.
 
Goldfish said:
I would rather not duel Robert. Sure, we can do it, but why should we? Let's just pick him apart with magic to show him how little we think of his brawn and hammer-wielding skills?

"Oh, you want to duel? How cute! Amber Sarcophagus!"
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For Ned's sake, he will be angry about us killing Robert no matter what, but if Robert died in a duel against us, then Ned would know Robert died as he would have wanted to, which will make Ned less resentful towards us.

Killing Robert in a duel will just generally be good PR, and those people who liked Robert, but aren't going to throw their lives away trying to avenge him, will be much less resentful, if he die what he would consider a good death.
 
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tarrangar said:
For Ned's sake, he will be angry about us killing Robert no matter what, but if Robert died in a duel against us, then Ned would know Robert died as he would have wanted to, which will make Ned less resentful towards us.
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I don't care whether Ned thinks his idiot friend "died honorably". Dead is dead, whether we split Robert in half with a Dragon claw or explode him with magic.
 
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tarrangar said:
For Ned's sake, he will be angry about us killing Robert no matter what, but if Robert died in a duel against us, then Ned would know Robert died as he would have wanted to, which will make Ned less resentful towards us.
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That's a pretty far out there theory.

And despite Neds reputation for honor before reason, he is still a pragmatic man at his core. He knows full well that Robert taking the field against us means that there are good odds that he won't survive this. Ned would resent us for poisoning Robert or slitting his throat in his sleep due to the underhandedness of the move, but on the battlefield?

If Robert raises his banners to slay the Dragon or die trying, he won't resent us for fighting and killing him. Because that's how things work in Westeros and that's how to Ned the world works.
 
Okay here is the deal. For all of Ned's honour I doubt he will be too upset that we killed his friend. This is a man who has fought on the battlefield. He knows that out there it is kill or be killed. So if we come across Bobby B and we kill him Ned will mourn his friend but I sincerely doubt he will go "I will have my vengeance upon you". It is not a big deal if we kill Bobby. Hell I am pretty sure that Ned would expect it of us to do so as it is our right to slay a fallen enemy.
 
Azel said:
That's a pretty far out there theory.

And despite Neds reputation for honor before reason, he is still a pragmatic man at his core. He knows full well that Robert taking the field against us means that there are good odds that he won't survive this. Ned would resent us for poisoning Robert or slitting his throat in his sleep due to the underhandedness of the move, but on the battlefield?

If Robert raises his banners to slay the Dragon or die trying, he won't resent us for fighting and killing him. Because that's how things work in Westeros and that's how to Ned the world works.
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Yeah that sounds fair, although ideally we would offer him the chance, to duel against Ser Richard in a trial by combat, we can get him to agree by promising to resurrect Lyanna if he win, that's pretty much his greatest wish, and something he has no access to, as his main source of magic is the Lannisters.

If he loses and survives, we promise to resurrect Lyanna anyway, but he must take the Black, if he wins, we resurrect Lyanna and promise to keep Ser Richard out of the war.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Okay here is the deal. For all of Ned's honour I doubt he will be too upset that we killed his friend. This is a man who has fought on the battlefield. He knows that out there it is kill or be killed. So if we come across Bobby B and we kill him Ned will mourn his friend but I sincerely doubt he will go "I will have my vengeance upon you". It is not a big deal if we kill Bobby. Hell I am pretty sure that Ned would expect it of us to do so as it is our right to slay a fallen enemy.
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Mind you that the waters get a bit murky when we take Robert as a prisoner, since he could expect us to set him free for some sort of concession as it is custom.

So I would greatly prefer if we smear Robert over the battlefield and be done with it.
 
Azel said:
Mind you that the waters get a bit murky when we take Robert as a prisoner, since he could expect us to set him free for some sort of concession as it is custom.

So I would greatly prefer if we smear Robert over the battlefield and be done with it.
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Maybe DP will let us pounce on him and crush him?
 
tarrangar said:
Yeah that sounds fair, although ideally we would offer him the chance, to duel against Ser Richard in a trial by combat, we can get him to agree by promising to resurrect Lyanna if he win, that's pretty much his greatest wish, and something he has no access to, as his main source of magic is the Lannisters.

If he loses and survives, we promise to resurrect Lyanna anyway, but he must take the Black, if he wins, we resurrect Lyanna and promise to keep Ser Richard out of the war.
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Pointless pandering to our enemy.

What exactly are we supposed to achieve with that, except alienating all those people who are loyal to us and have suffered for it under his rule?
 
Azel said:
Mind you that the waters get a bit murky when we take Robert as a prisoner, since he could expect us to set him free for some sort of concession as it is custom.

So I would greatly prefer if we smear Robert over the battlefield and be done with it.
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I say if we take Robert as a prisoner, offer him trial by combat against Ser Richard, if he loses but don't die he must take the Black, if he somehow wins he will merely be exiled from Westeros.
 
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