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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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TotallyNotEvil said:
Still has issues:
- Mentions an absent Practiced Spellscaster
- Doesn't retrain Ressurgence at sixth
- Should probably get Barbed Chains instead of Burning Disarm
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Fixed.
I also changed their gear, if you want to give it a look. Weight limit was the issue, mostly.

And don't Extreme Shields require an Exotic Weapon Proficiency? Or is that just for shield bashes?
 
Goldfish said:
It would be cool if you could split up the weapons and armor, too, next time. And a section for unassigned magic items we've looted. I keep up with unassigned crafted items on the inventory spreadsheet.

Even if it isn't as useful as a Handy Haversack, a Type 1 Bag of Holding is still super convenient. Remember how much our first one helped us, and for how long? It can also hold quite a bit more than Handy Haversack.

What about giving it to Rhango? A horse nomad would probably appreciate being able to more easily carry around his stuff.

Yeah, the Iron Throne is awful. Maybe we can use it as part of a ritual of some kind, considering it's probably spilled the blood of kings many times over the centuries? Worst case, it would make a nice Golem.

EDIT: @Duesal I just remembered we gave the Swarm staves to Tyene and Vee, I believe. We need to add those to their sheets and remove them from the list, if so.
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Sure, I'll see what I can do.

But while we're talking about Bags of Holding, not only do we have this Least Bag of Holding we took off the Harvester Devil, we also have Jek's Type II Bag of Holding that's just been sitting in our inventory for a while now.

I never thought we'd have an awkward moment like this where our gear is good enough that we could effectively ignore the bags of holding that we've already got.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Fixed.
I also changed their gear, if you want to give it a look. Weight limit was the issue, mostly.

And don't Extreme Shields require an Exotic Weapon Proficiency? Or is that just for shield bashes?
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At 5th level, they're getting Muleback Cords, which will give them plenty of carrying capacity for the Adamantine full plate armor.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
One, I disagree.

Two, it's much better than a generically cool throne.
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Didn't you just say this a mere two pages ago?
TotallyNotEvil said:
Hell, most of Essos knows of Westeros by "the King in the Iron Throne".
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Which pretty neatly sums up why both Westeros and Essos will have very firm opinions on us using that throne and it while it would give our legitimacy in Westeros a little push, it would wreck our standing in Essos where we hinge on the never officially discounted idea that we are rebuilding the Freehold for legitimacy.


So I'm stipulating that you just want to keep the Iron Throne for coolness, regardless of the political costs and problems it will cause, making me not exactly inclined to accept a generic "I disagree" as a valid argument against the issues I'm highlighting.
 
Elia Dragonriding: "I am speaking to the King. What odd circumstances for it! Yet I am a Princess of Dorne, a mistress of intrigue, a-- What? Rhaella dear, don't ask them to looooooop!!!"
[later]
Elia: "Ah shit, I forgot my manners while speaking to my flying scaled horse!"
 
@Azel - I think you're somewhat exaggerating how much using the Iron Throne would 'wreck' our legitimacy as the successor to the Freehold. We can take steps to handle that, and we also need to make an effort to accommodate our Westerosi subjects. We're going to call ourselves Emperor of Valaryia and Westeros, right? So we have signs and legitimacy from both the Freehold and Aegon the Conqueror's kingdom.
 
Memes aside we can probably use rune craft on any of our vassals ancestral weapons. You know, as gifts. I bet some of them have Valyrian steel weapons. Hell we can probably do it to Blackfyre when we get it from the Fake Dragon. I would probably suggest finding weapon caches from the First Men also. We can ask Bloodraven if there were any famous First Men weapon we can find, that and other things.
 
Duesal said:
But while we're talking about Bags of Holding, not only do we have this Least Bag of Holding we took off the Harvester Devil, we also have Jek's Type II Bag of Holding that's just been sitting in our inventory for a while now.
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Jek's bag should go in the Larder, its stink make it less valuable as a bag, but the fact that said stink is an additional effect it has, mean it's CL for Day of Change, should be higher than an average type II Bag of Holding.
 
I'm thinking we enchant the Iron Throne for some utility (it probably counts as storied enough for runecrafting) and while we're there we can make it look like less of a damn hedgehog, maybe add some cushions.
 
LonelyWolf999 said:
@Azel - I think you're somewhat exaggerating how much using the Iron Throne would 'wreck' our legitimacy as the successor to the Freehold. We can take steps to handle that, and we also need to make an effort to accommodate our Westerosi subjects. We're going to call ourselves Emperor of Valaryia and Westeros, right? So we have signs and legitimacy from both the Freehold and Aegon the Conqueror's kingdom.
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Look. What signs and legitimacy do we actually have in Essos?

Did we accept their cultural norms? Nope. We tossed out slavery as our very first act, which has a proud tradition there.
Did we make nice with the magisters? Nope. We killed a whole damn lot of them.
Did we maintain the policy of blood superiority determined by Valyrian ancestry? Nope. We are an equal opportunity employer and a whole lot of those vacancies left by magisters are being filled by people from any number of backgrounds.

What we are is a conqueror and so far, the one thing that helps us keep people in line is that they see us as a Valyrian warlord, purely by dint of our lineage.

But what will happen when we assume the Barbaroi Chair and try to rule them while sitting on it? They will begin to question that nice little myth of the Freehold Reborn. They will look at our chair, at our actions, our title and conclude that we are, in fact, just a random conqueror. To Essos, the Iron Throne is a symbol of the backwards barbaroi kingdoms to the west and nobody who will step before us when we sit on it will be unable to notice that. Especially as, yet again, we have zero legitimacy except our lineage in Essos.

It would be like the western president / chancellor / similar titles going on a Hadj. No matter how innocent the matter might be, it would alienate a ton of people due to it's symbolism.

At the same time, all this vaunted symbolism is gone from the pointy chair. It was meant as a symbol of a united Westeros under Targ rule, which is legitimized by dragonfire. But the rebellion put and end to it. It was not dragons, but plain old swords that took the Iron Throne. They didn't seat Viserys on it and installed a comically self-serving regent, but flat out unseated the Targ line.

Now it's just a chair. One that anyone with enough swords can capture. And let's not pretend that our way of re-acquiring it will do it's supposed legend any favors. It will be yet another conquest by the sword fought over this throne, making it not more or less special then any other throne. Or the hill in a king-of-the-hill game. The nimbus of invincibility is already broken, leaving behind a symbol of Westerosi independence under whoever has the biggest army.

So what do we exactly get out of keeping that thing beside "cool throne"? Because I sure as hell am not looking forward to having to patch up the mess this will leave behind, just so that we can get half a paragraph about the throne and then never having it play any role what so ever again, except as a rallying point for Westerosi to want their independence back and for Essosi to get rid of the barbaroi warlord that subjugated them.

We are making a new realm and need new symbols. Aegon the Conqueror understood this. He took the crowns of the Westerosi kings away from them, then forged himself a throne that symbolized his rule.

Why should we shoot ourselves in the foot just for pointless shiny?
 
Hm. I'm not sure if any of the Three Daughters had thrones but would it be possible for us to reenact Aegon and just melt/ combine all the thrones down and make a new one? I'm kinda with Azel on this one and keeping the Iron Throne whole just for it's asthetics or appeal to Westerosi tradition completely ignores the fact that our empire also includes Essos.
 
Azel said:
Why should we shoot ourselves in the foot just for pointless shiny?
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Normally I'd argue, but because we're diplo-annexing Volantis a strong, legitimate and constant tie to the Freehold is necessary, due to them not being broken as a significant power. All the other Free Cities ultimately wouldn't care that much or are already broken, but Volantis would pitch a fit and it wouldn't be simple to handle.

I still want to do something with the Iron Throne, though. Maybe melting it down into our new throne, or reforging it into the weapons of our Varangian Guard? It has a lot of potential.
 
So the Essosi rebel. Big whoop. We crush their leadership and Diplomance the army into disbanding.
We already have most of the population on our side (barring Red Priest bullshit) you know, what with the "free the slaves" stuff, and we can get some of the elites on board by promising wealth and threatening a very personal death (we'll kill you, Lord XXX, and not just kill a bunch of levies and exile you. End you WILL lose).
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
So the Essosi rebel. Big whoop. We crush their leadership and Diplomance the army into disbanding.
We already have most of the population on our side (barring Red Priest bullshit) you know, what with the "free the slaves" stuff, and we can get some of the elites on board by promising wealth and threatening a very personal death (we'll kill you, Lord XXX, and not just kill a bunch of levies and exile you. End you WILL lose).
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Plus you know, the real powers in Essos aren't going to give a shit because Volantis is ran by Zherys (who knows better, because he knows how magic works) and Braavos never gave a shit to begin with, they are in this for the money and our legitimacy with them rests on providing it, which we certainly can do. The Three Daughters already lived through this, they won't go for round 2. So who is left to rebel, really?
 
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I've just realized that I have zero respect for the Old Gods. I like them, I find them convenient, and I think that their whole concept is pretty cool - but respect? Nah.
From what we've seen in this quest, they're basically a hivemind of variably insane old folks going from "barely in touch with reality" to "almost faded into oblivion", up to and including "unintelligible RAGEFEARMESS".
Oh, and they lost to the Seven. The Seven? Seriously?
 
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