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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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TotallyNotEvil said:
Well, we are getting the Iron Throne, at least.
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The forty foot tall mass of one thousand (or more) swords? That feels a little ostentatious for our purposes imo. Couldn't we reforge it into something useful and make something more comfortable for our eventual Over Governor of Westeros (probably Doran)?

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For killing Varys, my first thought was the Bouncy Ball of Death and Insanity, but I'm not sure if we have access to rubber and that 60ft radius of effect would be bothersome for not hitting innocents.

My second thought is infiltrating his spy ring with sufficient Greater Ribbon use and giving a "report" that's his eyes only, with the "report" reading 'Guess who prepared explosive runes today' or some similar memery. Ten castings of Explosive Runes with a Nondetection or Magic Aura should be more than sufficient to kill him or otherwise shunt him off this plane of existence so we can stop trying to work around the Blood Wards.
 
Walliseatscheese said:
The forty foot tall mass of one thousand (or more) swords? That feels a little ostentatious for our purposes imo. Couldn't we reforge it into something useful and make something more comfortable for our eventual Over Governor of Westeros (probably Doran)?

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Turning it into an iron golem that guards the new throne of the Imperium would be pretty neat.
Walliseatscheese said:
My second thought is infiltrating his spy ring with sufficient Greater Ribbon use and giving a "report" that's his eyes only, with the "report" reading 'Guess who prepared explosive runes today' or some similar memery. Ten castings of Explosive Runes with a Nondetection or Magic Aura should be more than sufficient to kill him or otherwise shunt him off this plane of existence so we can stop trying to work around the Blood Wards.
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Capture should be our number 1 priority for Varys. He has far too much that we need to know, and if we end up killing him, even if we manage to get the skull, we'll spend months pulling out answers rather than just getting everything we need all at once. He can spill the details of his plots in Essos, Westeros, everything he and Illyrio might know about Tiamat, etc.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Not only do we have the Plane's mightiest Sorcerer, we also have the best Sorcerer training program (and the best Sorcerer substitution levels :p)
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Do we really have this planes greatest sorcerer? I am sure there are some out there better than viscerys most definitely in other planes I guess we might be the greatest sorcerer born within the last two decades to the material plane.
 
firefrog600 said:
Do we really have this planes greatest sorcerer? I am sure there are some out there better than viscerys most definitely in other planes I guess we might be the greatest sorcerer born within the last two decades to the material plane.
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There could very well be sorcerers out there stronger than us in Prime Material, for the most part immortals who survived the Age of Dead Magic, but we'll outstrip them in due time.
 
Walliseatscheese said:
That feels a little ostentatious for our purposes imo
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... You are joking, right?

Anyway, it's something Viserys has wished for for virtually his entire life.

Hell, most of Essos knows of Westeros by "the King in the Iron Throne".

And ultimately, it's a badass throne forged by an ancestor we deeply respect.

Besides, not sitting on the Iron Throne after all this time would not sit right with me.
 
Duesal said:
Oh, in the last two decades I highly doubt there are sorcerers in Prime Material who outstrip us in strength. Our biggest challenges mainly come from immortals.
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I wonder how we look to planes travelers who have been around a while. They must see Viscerys as a fucking monster especially given they got to where they were in a time of unending ignorance and stupidity in a land largely filled with no idea of what is happening.

Viscerys is essentially the equivalent of someone born in the ghettoiest of ghettos and somehow working their way up into an emperor.
 
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firefrog600 said:
I wonder how we look to planes travelers who have been around a while. They must see Viscerys as a fucking monster especially given they got to where they were in a time of unending ignorance and stupidity in a land largely filled with no idea of what is happening.

Viscerys is essentially the equivalent of someone born in the ghettoiest of ghettos and somehow working their way up into an emperor.
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His swanky gold archdevil cloak probably helps. ;)

But yeah, Viserys will look extremely strange to extraplanar people.

In an age where dragons were mostly gone, a Red Dragon of all things comes out of nowhere, proves himself to be reasonable and even Lawful, reveals he's a ruler of Prime Material, slays the aspect of an archdevil and takes its hide for a cloak, helps negotiate an alliance between the Shaitan and the Djinn, etc.

We've honestly got to look stranger than Xor to them.
 
Duesal said:
His swanky gold archdevil cloak probably helps. ;)

But yeah, Viserys will look extremely strange to extraplanar people.

In an age where dragons were mostly gone, a Red Dragon of all things comes out of nowhere, proves himself to be reasonable and even Lawful, reveals he's a ruler of Prime Material, slays the aspect of an archdevil and takes its hide for a cloak, helps negotiate an alliance between the Shaitan and the Djinn, etc.

We've honestly got to look stranger than Xor to them.
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You know with the way most of westeros sees us I like to imagine a group of adventurers will eventually come to our castle to slay the evil dragon and be surprised by us being so polite and nice to them. Hand out crumpets and stuff and act like a british gentleman and they just walk off super confused.
 
Given there's a good subset of people who do not wish to sit on the Iron Throne in its current form, I have long held a desire to turn into a Valyrian Steel chair, maybe using the ritual, dragon fire and a chained miracle to form it into shape. Using a mighty fiend in sacrifice to do so might even make into a badass magic item that gives some kind of bonus to whoever sits on it. At the very least it would become a good base for Runecrafting enchantments. You could put all kinds of stuff on it using that.

Edit: Ah, yes, I just had to mention the word "Runecrafting" and the magpie is already on board. :V
 
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Walliseatscheese said:
The forty foot tall mass of one thousand (or more) swords? That feels a little ostentatious for our purposes imo. Couldn't we reforge it into something useful and make something more comfortable for our eventual Over Governor of Westeros (probably Doran)?
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Duesal said:
Turning it into an iron golem that guards the new throne of the Imperium would be pretty neat.
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Crake said:
Given there's a good subset of people who do not wish to sit on the Iron Throne in its current form, I have long held a desire to turn into a Valyrian Steel chair, maybe using the ritual, dragon fire and a chained miracle to form it into shape. Using a mighty fiend in sacrifice to do so might even make into a badass magic item that gives some kind of bonus to whoever sits on it. At the very least it would become a good base for Runecrafting enchantments. You could put all kinds of stuff on it using that.
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My vote goes to any option that has us get rid of The Ugliest Chair on The Continent. For a whole host of reasons.
 
I'm still against keeping the Iron Monstrosity around. It's a symbol of a state that we want to tear down and subsume into a greater whole. Keeping it would be just as bad an idea as using the assembly of Volantis as our throne room.

We can build both a better palace and a better throne. And given that we intend to make a new state from the ground up, we pretty much have to.
 
Walliseatscheese said:
That's fair. I don't suppose making it massively more expensive by requiring Heroes Feast (SL6) and CL15 instead of SL3 and CL5 for the Create Food and Water effect would be acceptable, making it 6 times more expensive (for the same value of 15 people's worth of food per casting)? If not that, how would putting an upper limit of 10 uses per day work in addition to the previous? That way it's a matter of being incredibly expensive and therefore impractical for it to happen on any large scale. For example, under the above changes it would cost 4,860,000IM (6(SL)x15(CL)x1800(command activated,10/day)x2(10/5 daily charge formula)x.5(crafting cost)x.2(gold to IM conversion)x150(total number of meal boxes)) to outfit the Watch with 1500 human's worth of food daily (or 1000 humans and 33 horses) out of magic items. It would then cost 92,340,000IM to outfit every Night's Watch Castle with enough magic to remove their basic nutritional and water concerns, or 14,580,000IM to cover the three Castles currently in use.

Otherwise I suppose Plan "Repopulate the Gift and the New Gift and slap Plant Growth spells on all the farmlands possible" will have to do for now.
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No, it's just mass producing food with no upkeep for numbers of people that breaks things. The start up price, unless it is arbitrarily large does not really matter.
 
Azel said:
I'm still against keeping the Iron Monstrosity around. It's a symbol of a state that we want to tear down and subsume into a greater whole. Keeping it would be just as bad an idea as using the assembly of Volantis as our throne room.

We can build both a better palace and a better throne. And given that we intend to make a new state from the ground up, we pretty much have to.
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Seconding all this, add to that that most of Viserys personal memories of that chair likely involve either his father or Tywin, so there's very personal motivation to see the thing melted down.

Also: the thing is just a goddamn eyesore, okay?
 
Tomcost said:
600 per month. Huh. Our professors are better paid, and our universitary education is free.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but our country is wonderful in that regard.
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It says 3000 per course per semester, so 600 isn't what they get paid per month, it's what they get paid per subject they teach to 1 class worth of students, if they have multiple classes on the subject, or teach more than 1 subject, then they get paid more.

Still isn't exactly great pay, but it's not quite as sucky as it seems if you misread the comic.
 
Duesal said:
By the way, who gets the Least Bag of Holding? It's nice to have, but I'm not sure what to do with it. Handy Haversacks are way better, and we're in the process of giving one to everyone important... which leaves the Least Bag of Holding in the position of moderately useful magic item, but second-rate gear nonetheless.

Hmmm... Maybe Riz'Neth would like a gift?
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Aren't the least bag of holding, the foul smelling one Glyra won from another gremlin, resulting in the Gremlin self-destructing? Because being Fae made and everything, means that unlike items we make it can be sacrificed, so maybe it should go in the larder.
 
Duesal said:
Capture should be our number 1 priority for Varys. He has far too much that we need to know, and if we end up killing him, even if we manage to get the skull, we'll spend months pulling out answers rather than just getting everything we need all at once. He can spill the details of his plots in Essos, Westeros, everything he and Illyrio might know about Tiamat, etc.
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TotallyNotEvil said:
... You are joking, right?

Anyway, it's something Viserys has wished for for virtually his entire life.

Hell, most of Essos knows of Westeros by "the King in the Iron Throne".

And ultimately, it's a badass throne forged by an ancestor we deeply respect.

Besides, not sitting on the Iron Throne after all this time would not sit right with me.
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On the other hand we are claiming our very own Empire from scratch, we will accept fealty sworn from those who do see it that way but while the Iron Throne is decidedly a part of our family history it is not the legacy of our realm.
 
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