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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Gentlemen. I think that whatever we do, we should really capitalize this to make an alliance with the Lord of the First.

He is too busy fighting a war against demons, and to be fair we could have someone that helps us recruit devils by the Enlist to Mammon trick
 
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Snowfire said:
You'd have us here for hours and days, not saying what needs said. Tell the man, and be done with it. Or I will."
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Was the point him hunting Warlocks for them?
Snowfire said:
A lot of DF magic isn't exactly SR: Yes, to be fair
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Considering Genoskwa's (or however it's spelled) ability, I figure out most of it is.

My first thought was "use magic just to launch spiky bits at it, aka Conjuration (Creation" and Harry did essentially cast Orb of Cold at it.
 
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Tomcost said:
Gentlemen. I think that whatever we do, we should really capitalize this to make an alliance with the Lord of the First.

He is too busy fighting a war against demons, and to be fair we could have someone that helps us recruit devils by the Enlist to Mammon truck
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That's something we can capitalize on after a month or two, when the Lord of the First confirms that the intel he's been given is valid and subsequently fucks Mammon over for it.
 
Duesal said:
That's something we can capitalize on after a month or two, when the Lord of the First confirms that the intel he's been given is valid and subsequently fucks Mammon over for it.
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See. You are dealing with Baatezu. If you want something out of the act of seemingly good faith, you need to state it and be explicit enough so that when the Devil agrees it won't go back on his word.

Otherwise it would be futile.
 
Tomcost said:
See. You are dealing with Baatezu. If you want something out of the act of seemingly good faith, you need to state it and be explicit enough so that when the Devil agrees it won't go back on his word.

Otherwise it would be futile.
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I was thinking about more of making the first move in offering intel, then later seeing if he'd be interested in collaborating against Mammon.
 
Tomcost said:
See. You are dealing with Baatezu. If you want something out of the act of seemingly good faith, you need to state it and be explicit enough so that when the Devil agrees it won't go back on his word.

Otherwise it would be futile.
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I didn't want to ask for anything, especially while Azel seems to be offline right now.
Bael hindering Mammon a bit is enough.

We have an in, so he'll propably at least listen if we try to negotiate anything later.
 
Snowfire said:
That was an active magical ability. A grounding mechanism done through earth magic. That's not SR.
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I mean, it proves that the majority of magical spells are effectively nullified once you disperse the magic holding them together.

SR: Yes are spells essentially vulnerable to that. Which is most of them.

Given Harry had trouble getting around such an ability, and the solution is virtually the textbook SR: No spell, well, you can see how I got there.
Snowfire said:
Viserys touches on the likely reasons internally
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Narratively, I was sort of expecting a big reveal due McCoy pointing out the Merlin was dancing around the subject, and Viserys interjecting sort of feels like turning the conversation around?
 
@tarrangar Although I think the Sarnori Undead Recycling scheme isn't the best use of our time, so long as it can largely happen in the background without requiring much Viserys or research time, I won't actively oppose it.

Meant to say that in my previous post, but I got distracted with work stuff.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I didn't want to ask for anything, especially while Azel seems to be offline right now.
Bael hindering Mammon a bit is enough.

We have an in, so he'll propably at least listen if we try to negotiate anything later.
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I'm actually here and just finished catching up.

Currently mulling over some strategic stuff for the next turn plan.
 
lockingbane said:
And those who die doing THAT get raised and so on until we have no more armies to throw at them.
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Unlikely, because at the end of the day:

1) Our Legions are way better than whatever they come up with
2) The Baby & Subordinate Adventurers will be there
3) Viserys and the Companions would personally take charge of a campaign of that scale

If we had regular resources then I'd be more worried, but we can pretty much shrug off the concerns of our army being overwhelmed and our dead rising against us. These are just normal undead, not the Others.
 
Duesal said:
I was thinking about more of making the first move in offering intel, then later seeing if he'd be interested in collaborating against Mammon.
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Artemis1992 said:
I didn't want to ask for anything, especially while Azel seems to be offline right now.
Bael hindering Mammon a bit is enough.

We have an in, so he'll propably at least listen if we try to negotiate anything later.
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We are negotiating with beings with far too much of a tendency of being backstabbing assholes. We have leverage.

You don't offer your leverage as an act of good faith against fiends. They are the opposite of good faith
 
@Azel, if possible, try to find place for Inquisition to take a through look at Drunken God's church and/or belief.

The bullshit that transpired at Westhaven has me seeing him as a clear enemy, one that just needs a reason to purge, and so we shall find one.
 
Tomcost said:
We are negotiating with beings with far too much of a tendency of being backstabbing assholes. We have leverage.

You don't offer your leverage as an act of good faith against fiends. They are the opposite of good faith
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It is not about good faith.
It just happens to be the case that Bael acting on this information in a way that benefits himself is also good for us.
Nothing more needed.
 
Tomcost said:
We are negotiating with beings with far too much of a tendency of being backstabbing assholes. We have leverage.

You don't offer your leverage as an act of good faith against fiends. They are the opposite of good faith
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Vote's closed, I can't exactly change it at this point. In any case, this wasn't surrendering leverage, this was getting the attention of the Lord of the First so that he knows we are in fact an enemy of Mammon if we ever offer any future collaboration. Our future leverage would be putting our talents to use by fucking over Mammon even more.

Even if there's no future collaboration, I'd still be fine with this since he's going to fuck over Mammon all on his own.
 
Snowfire said:
That was an active magical ability. A grounding mechanism done through earth magic. That's not SR
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To touch on this, SR is also an abstraction.

Is Dany's spell-granted SR not SR, because it was granted by a spell? Is the same spell, cast by different clerics which might make them work, IC, through different principles, also not SR?

There are simply too many forms it can take IC. A cleric of Moradin can have his Spell Resistant spell ground out enemy magic, while a cleric of Tiamat could cast the exact same spell, to the exact same effect, but working through granting your skin the magical properties of a dragon's scales.

Consider that the way to get through his defense was exactly the way to get through high spell resistance, and the spells dispersed more or less exactly like how you'd expect SR to disperse them, such that even the mechanics, on a high level, are the same - in only worked when he stopped trying to directly affect the target with magic.

What else do you call it besides SR? It's effectively SR.
 
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