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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Adhoc vote count started by egoo on Jan 10, 2019 at 2:19 PM, finished with 87 posts and 8 votes.
  • -[X] Start with trying to get whatever officers were in charge of organizing operations on Prime Material, as well as any that collaborated with said operations, even if they're not on Prime Material
    -[X] Move on to ones you know to be in the world that you might remove as much as possible the Hand of the Lord of the Third from the world
    -[X] As many Furies whose names you've retrieved from the ones already in your service as well as the Tome of the Cabal Devil as you can safely recruit, the better to deprive Mammon of servants
    [X] Summon a servant of Bael, as high-ranking as you can find in the Tome of the Cabal Devil without being serious danger to you (one that you're sure won't be able to Plane Shift back to Prime Material), and hand over a copy of the information detailing this plot against him and the names of those devils involved. Then banish him back to his master.
    [X] Summon a servant of Bael, as high-ranking as you can find in the Bookniila without being serious danger to you and hand over the page detailing this plot against him and the names of those devils involved. Then banish him back to his master.
    [X] The officers, generals and leaders she knew, to better cripple your enemy in all things.
    -[X] After that, taarget the ones you know to be in the world that you might remove as much as possible the Hand of the Lord of the Third from the world.
    --[X] Attempt so summon Champions of Mammon as well, after all other "cells" of Devils are tried.
    --[X] As a final touch, summon as many Furies whose names you've retrieved from the ones already in your service as well as the Tome of the Cabal Devil as you can safely recruit, the better to deprive Mammon of servants.
    -[X] Use all Mythic Power uses, Bloodwish, and methods to recover spells avaliable so as to not waste any time.
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DragonParadox said:
"All the books are accounted at least.
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@DragonParadox, so we did get that very book that started the whole Daemonic debacle at Tyrosh?
Is it in our library now and waiting a write-up only?

also, I'm calling bullshit on Uniila forgetting stuff due to magic, as per spell's description of Scribe's Binding:
Any alterations to a subject's memories—such as by a modify memory spell—appear in a subtly different script; a successful DC 35 Linguistics check is needed to identify this.
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but whatever really, If you want to keep secrets here, It'd be an asshole move from us to push you :/

Let's say Viserys just didn't get through DC check for this information, which got way buffed up as he wasn't 'reading' her in a regular sense.
 
egoo said:
@DragonParadox, so we did get that very book that started the whole Daemonic debacle at Tyrosh?
Is it in our library now and waiting a write-up only?

also, I'm calling bullshit on Uniila forgetting stuff due to magic, as per spell's description of Scribe's Binding:
but whatever really, If you want to keep secrets here, It'd be an asshole move from us to push you :/

Let's say Viserys just didn't get through DC check for this information, which got way buffed up as he wasn't 'reading' her in a regular sense.
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  1. You did get the book yes
  2. Her mind was altered by something beyond mortal magic.
 
Ok I have talked with DP, and he has said that my Sarnori revival heart tree is possible, here is all the comments we made in the chat.
tarrangar said:
@DragonParadox Would a Weirwood tree with trap the soul, Polymorph any object, and a spell to merge a soul with a body work for reviving the undead Sarnori?(we don't have a specific spell for merging soulgems with bodies, but we have the ritual from when we resurrected Amrelath, and if it can be accomplished by ritual, then it should also be within the power of the right spell) and if it would work, would 2 willing sacrifices, be a sufficient payment for the revival of 1 of them this way?

And yes I recognize that by this way, the revived will have to avoid dispelling magic, on pain on turning into whatever animal was polymorphed into their new body, but I'm sure they can live with that risk, if it mean they get to live.

I asked this question in the thread a few times, but you must have skimmed over it, the others reminded me that the best way to get your attention is by PM, so here I am sending you a PM.
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DragonParadox said:
That's a really complex series of spells. You would be better off using a mass ritual untethered to the gods for this, or maybe ask Yss.
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tarrangar said:
Problem with asking Yss is that he eats the soul too, if we use the old gods, then half of the undeads get a new life and the other hand go to the afterlife, if we use Yss, then the ones who don't get revived get their souls eaten.
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DragonParadox said:
True, but on the other hand convincing the Old Gods to go though such a complex series of spells for the sake of undead... well let's just say they are a very old dog and this is a really complex trick you want to teach them. I won't say it's impossible between Viserys and Bloodraven but it would be very tricky.
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tarrangar said:
Could it be done with a Heart tree, even if the price was more than 2 willing sacrifices, for every revived Sarnori? Because the main point of this plan isn't to revive the Sarnori, it's to get rid of the undead in the Sea of Grass, and feeding the old gods.

I figure that a lot of the undead Sarnori would be ready to do it, even if only 1 in 10 would be revived, so if better profit margins will make convincing the old gods easier, then we can make it demand 3 or 4 willing sacrifices for every revival.

Edit. this first half of my post was written before I saw your response.
DragonParadox said:
True, but on the other hand convincing the Old Gods to go though such a complex series of spells for the sake of undead... well let's just say they are a very old dog and this is a really complex trick you want to teach them. I won't say it's impossible between Viserys and Bloodraven but it would be very tricky.
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The fact that the whole purpose of it, is explicitly to convince as many undead as possible to sacrifice themselves, should make it a little easier to convince them shouldn't it?
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DragonParadox said:
It does help yes, that's why it's even posibile. The problem is that it will take time to hammer the complexities of the plan into the rather scattered mind of the Old Gods. That will take time and effort.
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tarrangar said:
Seems worth it to me, there would be a lot of payoff if it succeeded, the end of much of the undead Sarnori threat, a great amount of grateful revived Sarnori, some of whom would have class levels, and the old gods would get a lot of power, from their share of the sacrifices.
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@DragonParadox, now that we have the superior wildfire formula and essentially bypassed the initial study, can we get rid of the last of the wildfire samples we had left? We were only keeping them around to reverse engineer them, and now that we have the formula there's no point anymore and they're just liabilities.
 
@Duesal
Tiny addition, for the servant of Bael, maybe ask Mereth for a recommendation.
If she fought the Bloodwar at some point in the last few centuries she propably met some of his officers.
 
Snowfire said:
A lot of DF magic isn't exactly SR: Yes, to be fair.
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We do see a lot of Gribblies shake off Harry's magic in the series. to be fair they are the middleweight gribblies, The 'ogre' in Summer Knight, Madrigal Raith (his magic immunity came from an outside backer to be fair), Shagnasty. Even more regular practitioners can stop a lot of stuff cold if they can defend, but I'm not sure I'd rule that as SR per se.
I'd say there is a lot of opportunity for warlocks to get thier Marvin the Martian moment "Where is the earth shattering kaboom?" :lol:rofl:
 
So considering it's now confirmed that we can make a Heart tree for reviving the undead Sarnori, but also that it will take some time wrangling the old gods Hivemind, do you guys think it's worth the effort? Because if we want to do it at some point, we should let the Sarnori undead know, if we can promise them a chance of some of them being revived, then diplomacy with them should be much easier.
 
tarrangar said:
So considering it's now confirmed that we can make a Heart tree for reviving the undead Sarnori, but also that it will take some time wrangling the old gods Hivemind, do you guys think it's worth the effort? Because if we want to do it at some point, we should let the Sarnori undead know, if we can promise them a chance of some of them being revived, then diplomacy with them should be much easier.
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It really depends, because DP's quotes implied a lot of effort. We'd have to convince the Old Gods to even go for it in the first place, devise a very complicated ritual, and lastly convince the Sarnori undead to go for it.

I'll keep an open mind and wait until we encounter the Sarnori undead again to see what our chances are, but it's looking pretty bleak and not really worth the effort. And even if they did go for it, we'd inevitably have problems with them wanting all our Dothraki dead.
 
tarrangar said:
So considering it's now confirmed that we can make a Heart tree for reviving the undead Sarnori, but also that it will take some time wrangling the old gods Hivemind, do you guys think it's worth the effort?
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In short, not really. It's a lot of effort and even if DP rules it as possible I don't particularly like that sort of daisy chained spell exploit in general. For a one off thing or a unique event, sure, but for something meant to effect a mass of people I'd rather it be something more clean, like a purpose made non divine ritual or something.
 
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Duesal said:
It really depends, because DP's quotes implied a lot of effort. We'd have to convince the Old Gods to even go for it in the first place, devise a very complicated ritual, and lastly convince the Sarnori undead to go for it.

I'll keep an open mind and wait until we encounter the Sarnori undead again to see what our chances are, but it's looking pretty bleak and not really worth the effort. And even if they did go for it, we'd inevitably have problems with them wanting all our Dothraki dead.
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We don't have to devise the ritual, what we have to do is convince the old gods, that the ritual is worth devising.

About the part with the Dothraki, yeah it's probably a good idea to discuss that with the Sarnori undead first, but it would be an useful bargaining chip, for getting them to agree to not try to kill our Dothraki.

And we mustn't forget that it's not just about reviving the Sarnori, it's also about getting the old gods tens of thousands of willing sacrifices, which would be a great feast for them, so when calculating whether it's worth doing, remember to add how much the old gods power will grow into the calculations.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Come on, there are perfectly decent slippers out there. Not the shitty hipster stuff in western shops, but the colorful oldschool stuff you can get at a market in Algiers or something.

EDIT: But the "Aladdin slippers" (the ones that go up at the end and curve back a lot, that come up in some films but that no-one seems to ever actually wear IRL) do sound like an eye-tearing monstrosity.
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So critical of footgear. Typical, for a descendant of those who invented high heels.

DragonParadox said:
Lys does not sound surprised as she enters your study.
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Typo, DP. Unless we now have a city as a mistress.
 
Viserys: "I'll not trade the lives of my subjects in the calculus of trade and accord."

Sarnori Lich King: "Is that not the very scale of war since time immemorial?"

Viserys: "Do you want war? Because it will not be a macabre affectation of the living or the moving of false barriers upon maps. No parley exchanged between envoys, no sovereignty recognized. I will remove all trace of your existence, so that you might never utter threats against the lives of my people again."

Sarnori Lich King: "You treat us like an infestation?"

Viserys: "Only if you rot the wood of the world around you."
 
Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, now that we have the superior wildfire formula and essentially bypassed the initial study, can we get rid of the last of the wildfire samples we had left? We were only keeping them around to reverse engineer them, and now that we have the formula there's no point anymore and they're just liabilities.
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Sure.

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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 10, 2019 at 3:06 PM, finished with 102 posts and 8 votes.
  • -[X] Start with trying to get whatever officers were in charge of organizing operations on Prime Material, as well as any that collaborated with said operations, even if they're not on Prime Material
    -[X] Move on to ones you know to be in the world that you might remove as much as possible the Hand of the Lord of the Third from the world
    -[X] As many Furies as you can safely recruit whose names you've retrieved from the ones already in your service as well as the Tome of the Cabal Devil and the imprisoned devils, the better to deprive Mammon of servants
    [X] Summon a servant of Bael, as high-ranking as you can find in the Tome of the Cabal Devil without being serious danger to you (one that you're sure won't be able to Plane Shift back to Prime Material) and ask Mereth for her recommendation on which one would best serve this plan, and once summoned hand over a copy of the information detailing Mammon's plot against Bael and the names of those devils involved. Then banish him back to his master.
    [X] Summon a servant of Bael, as high-ranking as you can find in the Bookniila without being serious danger to you and hand over the page detailing this plot against him and the names of those devils involved. Then banish him back to his master.
    [X] The officers, generals and leaders she knew, to better cripple your enemy in all things.
    -[X] After that, taarget the ones you know to be in the world that you might remove as much as possible the Hand of the Lord of the Third from the world.
    --[X] Attempt so summon Champions of Mammon as well, after all other "cells" of Devils are tried.
    --[X] As a final touch, summon as many Furies whose names you've retrieved from the ones already in your service as well as the Tome of the Cabal Devil as you can safely recruit, the better to deprive Mammon of servants.
    -[X] Use all Mythic Power uses, Bloodwish, and methods to recover spells avaliable so as to not waste any time.
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Goldfish said:
And Big-Titted Catgirls.
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Naw... that was the Valyrian equivalent of Aurane and Aedon, no doubt. But rather than obsess about assuaging their own egos and grasping for power, wealth or influence, it was trying to make life exciting again.

Unfortunately, this translated in the universal scale of all Aedon or Aurane analogs.

Cock Magic.
 
tarrangar said:
So considering it's now confirmed that we can make a Heart tree for reviving the undead Sarnori, but also that it will take some time wrangling the old gods Hivemind, do you guys think it's worth the effort? Because if we want to do it at some point, we should let the Sarnori undead know, if we can promise them a chance of some of them being revived, then diplomacy with them should be much easier.
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Not really.

It seems like more trouble than it's worth to me.

Instead, we could eliminate them the old fashioned way, by throwing armies and adventurers at them. The Undead would be destroyed, many would still be captured for sacrifice, and our forces would earn valuable experience while doing so.
 
Goldfish said:
Instead, we could eliminate them the old fashioned way, by throwing armies and adventurers at them. The Undead would be destroyed, many would still be captured for sacrifice, and our forces would earn valuable experience while doing so.
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And our dead would be raised to refill their armies.

Undead are feared for a reason....
 
Takesis said:
So critical of footgear. Typical, for a descendant of those who invented high heels.
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French shoes are amazing!
They're also amazingly uncomfortable :'(

Women wear French shoes to look good, but if they want something comfortable for casual use? Get shitty sports stuff or buy foreign brands :'(

However as a child I remember looking at the revolting uniform shoes my non-french cousins had to wear every day and feeling incredibly smug.

Richard seems to wear his armor all the time. Does that mean that pretty much every day he's wearing full plate shoes?
I always wondered what the inside of those were like. Surely there's something like a boot inside, right? Under the armor plates/greaves?
Still, that kind of shoe has got to smell terrible after a few days.
 
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