@Duesal, could you at least specify trying to gun for generals and those responsible for PM schemes as the very first thing?

DragonParadox never deliberately don't answer a question, he just skims quite a lot of the discussion, so sometime you have to PM him if you have a question.

Of course the answer might be that no he will not answer that, but DP isn't the type to deliberately ignore you.
You misread me pretty hard here. All I meant was that what I wrote was not seen one too many times, and not to blame DP for that, we have a bit too much discussion here at times.
It is plainly more efficient to go straight to his PMs, where you can be sure he'll read it.

So how much are we aiming for?
People will kill me if I up the ante again.
Although seeing as Dawn Age tree is not to rise at least two months, we totally can go for, what, 2160HD? Or even 2700HD.
Summoning is far from done.

But for now, the rest is to go for yet unresearched "Turn all Weirwoods fireproof"-ritual :(
 
@Duesal, could you at least specify trying to gun for generals and those responsible for PM schemes as the very first thing?

Alright, that seems reasonable enough.
Okay so we broke that glass ceiling. I kinda dont want to sink too many sacrifices but at the same time I kinda want to see what would happen...very conflicted right now.
For me it's just an investment. The more powerful we make the Old Gods, the better chance we'll have come the Long Night. DP's giving the Others permadeath weapons. :o
 
Do we want Westeros to cry? Because that is how you get Westeros to cry. Also Valyrian steel armour. Just to show off.
Longswords weigh 4 lbs and Thinblades weigh 3 lbs. As opposed to that, Reinforced Segmented Fullplate weighs 55 lbs. We could potentially equip a full legion with weapons while decking the general out in nice swanky armor.
 
and summon constantly.
Oh, of that have no doubt.

Every enemy we kill or capture will tell us all Outsider True Names from now on.
We still have Rakshasa to try summoning, of whom, thanks to Maharaja, we know quite damn many, but especially those of survivors from our Valyrian tour.
Shadow Hags too, and many other minor things I'd have to beg Duesal scour the thread for.

@Duesal, I have no argument with dropping devils at Valyrian Steel works, but let's at least try to up the ante still?
2160 is so close. And we didn't summon any devils yet either!
And of them we have names aplenty.

And VS specifically needs Law/Evil if I'm not wrong.
 
With but a handful of spells you could gut infernal schemes millennia in the making, the first among them a plot against the Lord of the First and Guardian of the gates of Avernus whom Mammon seeks to see humbled in Asmodeus' eyes by arranging for a circumstance where he would need rescue on the field of battle.

There's an opportunity here, assuming it's Bel.

Bel is someone we could make common cause with, seeing as Bel's main concern is the Blood War(as opposed to fucking around on the Prime Material like Mammon).
 
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Oh, of that have no doubt.

Every enemy we kill or capture will tell us all Outsider True Names from now on.
We still have Rakshasa to try summoning, of whom, thanks to Maharaja, we know quite damn many, but especially those of survivors from our Valyrian tour.
Shadow Hags too, and many other minor things I'd have to beg Duesal scour the thread for.

@Duesal, I have no argument with dropping devils at Valyrian Steel works, but let's at least try to up the ante still?
2160 is so close. And we didn't summon any devils yet either!
And of them we have names aplenty.

And VS specifically needs Law/Evil if I'm not wrong.
Dude, at a certain point, I just want that tree grown. If we make it to 2160 HD, great! But the second we unlock fireproofing, I want that tree.

Also, VS just needs fiendish HD, not LE specifically.
 
Dude, at a certain point, I just want that tree grown. If we make it to 2160 HD, great! But the second we unlock fireproofing, I want that tree.

Also, VS just needs fiendish HD, not LE specifically.
Hey, I'm not arguing that.

But we'd have to wait, from this point, a month minumum, I assume, for it will take a month to research even if we roll absolutely astonishingly.
If we take two months researching it, then we can raise in on the 3rd. Etc.
 
Longswords weigh 4 lbs and Thinblades weigh 3 lbs. As opposed to that, Reinforced Segmented Fullplate weighs 55 lbs. We could potentially equip a full legion with weapons while decking the general out in nice swanky armor.

As long as I get to drink Westerosi tears and consume Westerosi salt I don't care what it takes. Yes its not good for my blood pressure. No I don't give a damm.
 
Hey, I'm not arguing that.

But we'd have to wait, from this point, a month minumum, I assume, for it will take a month to research even if we roll absolutely astonishingly.
If we take two months researching it, then we can raise in on the 3rd. Etc.
My stance is that we'll inevitably get more sacrifices anyway over the course of three months. There's cultists to clear out, and I think there was talk of getting those silver mines in Sothoryos where a bunch of spider demons are.
As long as I get to drink Westerosi tears and consume Westerosi salt I don't care what it takes. Yes its not good for my blood pressure. No I don't give a damm.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
A sympathetic connection between us and Hell?
Does that mean that Hell could have hurt us at any time? Or is it more of an insidious "All Targaryen souls are damned and they are born Evil" thing?
Because that last one isn't much of an issue. We can just, you know, not have kids.
...
Or have Yss eat hell!
 
A sympathetic connection between us and Hell?
Does that mean that Hell could have hurt us at any time? Or is it more of an insidious "All Targaryen souls are damned and they are born Evil" thing?
Because that last one isn't much of an issue. We can just, you know, not have kids.
...
Or have Yss eat hell!
I would love to try to feed Yss an entire plane. He can be the world-eating serpent. :V
 
I would love to try to feed Yss an entire plane. He can be the world-eating serpent. :V
More seriously: anything that magic made, magic can unnmake. It'll probably be easier to destroy the sympathetic connection that to eat Hell. Or simply repurpose it: make Hell very slightly snake-ier, or something.

We may have had to waste our mega-larder on it, which would have been a huge shame.
 
Eh, that makes sense.


The relatively rank and file are unlikely to notice their superiors disappearing due to how they operate, while the high ranking ones would likely be the first to notice shenanigans afoot.

@edit: didn't see the champion thing. Hell no.
 
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Hey, I'm not arguing that.

But we'd have to wait, from this point, a month minumum, I assume, for it will take a month to research even if we roll absolutely astonishingly.
If we take two months researching it, then we can raise in on the 3rd. Etc.

Okay we can move a couple researchers around next turn. A lot of the research, especially the Fire-whale ones, is coming close to completion. We just need to see what can and cant be moved and if we can place more to help Naria or not.
 
There's an opportunity here, assuming it's Bel.

Bel is someone we could make common cause with, seeing as Bel's main concern is the Blood War(as opposed to fucking around on the Prime Material like Mammon).
Duesal's current plan has the lightest possible touch in that direction.
We propably won't do more, because dealing with devils, even Bel, has something of a well-founded reputation.
 
My stance is that we'll inevitably get more sacrifices anyway over the course of three months. There's cultists to clear out, and I think there was talk of getting those silver mines in Sothoryos where a bunch of spider demons are.
And summons. And Tiamat fortress (please). And whatever we end up finding at Orb's location.

And VS will get a very significant discount once we have Fungal Pods running, so fewer sacrifices thrown at it.

So yeah, I fully expect 2160 goalpost fulfilled.
So nice. So efficient.

Brigns a tear to my abominable eyes. Whose it is, I wonder.

We should throw some peeps at researching "all-weirwood fireproofing" the first moment we can, though.
Okay we can move a couple researchers around next turn. A lot of the research, especially the Fire-whale ones, is coming close to completion. We just need to see what can and cant be moved and if we can place more to help Naria or not.
I can't help but feel that you are proposing that just so that we don't throw even more HD at the tree :D
 
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Chapter 30​

A dozen answers beg for you to speak them, each louder than the one before, but none of them are a match for what you already had. Your lack of knowledge of what Harry had called Black Magic was singled out early on as your most obvious weakness, and despite your experiences beyond this realm, proving them to even the three in front of you would be nigh-impossible. You aren't left with nothing, however, and if the answer most easily available is simple, sometimes the simplest answers are the most powerful.

"Honoured elder," the words are smooth, despite how part of you yearns to hurl them forth, "if the experience I have shown thus far seems insufficient, perhaps you could explain it to me. I have done all that the Council has asked, after all, and more." Far be it from you to mention that the requirement had not included any request that you rescue those taken by the Fomor, only that the Fomor be removed. But the point lands, and you continue in the same measured, implacable tone that the Merlin had used. "That I am here at all shows that I am willing to go to great lengths to speak to you, but do not mistake my desire to talk as a need on my part to do so."

"Odd for one to invest such effort into an affair that they have no need of," the unknown Council member replies, the one whose voice had so angered Dresden. All too certain of himself, and with an edge you don't trust in the least. "And why should we fear a plague of Warlocks come upon us? The Wardens are strong, and certainly stronger than any Warlock that the Paranet," he made the word distasteful by speaking it, "might foster. Indeed, if it is such a threat, then perhaps it would be better to remove it." At least there is no support forthcoming from that statement. Small favours, you tell yourself. Be thankful for them.

"I must apologise then," you say, directly to the Merlin, "as it appears that at least one among you has misinterpreted my actions. My action against the Fomor was one I already had prepared for, that it aligned with the request of the Council was simple, though profitable, happenstance. The people of these nations had suffered enough. I only did what any good and reasonable man would."

"A worthy sentiment," the stocky man, Harry's mentor, agrees. "But I think you understand our concerns. Perhaps it would be better to simply air them." The Merlin moves enough to glare at the man, but he sheds it like water, adding in reply to the motion: "You'd have us here for hours and days, not saying what needs said. Tell the man, and be done with it. Or I will."

Silence reigns, and before any of the men before you can break it, you seize the opening it brings with it. "I have seen dark magic wielded, and its power brought down against any who would think to stand against it. I have stood against, without faltering, but I cannot prove that to you. And from what Wizard Dresden has told me," you use their formal title, no need to confuse the issue further with accusation of Fae ancestry. That idea is near enough to make you shudder. "The Laws of Magic as they exist do so for a reason." But you will not call it good.

"I admit freely that I lack your experience with the works of Warlocks, and if you feel I lack the proper context to understand them, I am open to lending additional assistance to the Council in such matters." But if they accept, it will be on your terms. "Yet the focus upon that issue remains problematic. I'm here to try and prevent the deaths of hundreds. Nothing more." It's a slap in the face, really, and a risk. The White Council remains perhaps the only way to truly change what you need changed. They're the only organisation with the institutional knowledge to aid the Paranet, and help new Talents learn how to safely control their power.

They're also, a less charitable part reminds you, the organisation that calls itself the protectors of humanity and murders children. Yet, Ser Harry had admitted that in some cases, they had a point. No matter how much he believes there is a better way, and you've seen that belief in his actions. Which was the only reason you were making your offer, dressed as it was in more dangerous words.

"There is no doubt to your skills in the working of power," the Merlin replies smoothly. "But in these days the White Council must be careful in the choices it makes. Those matters you have raised, we can certainly agree to discuss," the tall Councilman on his right shifts in place, but a motion from the Merlin stills him before more can come from it. "But equally, if you would propose a solution of sorts to those who fall to Black Magic, then it would be the opinion of this Council that you must see it for yourself."

"A task that Mr Targaryen has already accepted to undertake," Harry adds his own voice to the matter, the words cutting and harsh. Harry had argued against this solution, but despite your misgivings with the Council, you knew you had to see what they fought, and for them to know it, before they would listen. As much as things might change from your world, the structures of power remain.

"Indeed so," the Merlin nods accommodatingly, "and it speaks to his credit. But if you would do this for us, then it must be asked that you respect the Laws as they now stand. They exist for a reason, even Wizard Dresden would agree with that, I think?" He waits until Harry gives a grudging nod.

"Then I see no great issue with it." His smile thins, and there's something almost predatory in it. "Warden Dresden, I shall have Captain Luccio forward a few dossiers that may prove relevant. Assist Mr Targaryen in locating and bringing those in them to justice. And do not fear," he holds up a hand in a calming gesture, "I am sure she will be able to accommodate your particular preferences."

He turns back to you, cold eyes distant. "Whilst the Council appreciates those who seek to aid it, we must know that the aid offered comes with a proper understanding of the difficulties it would face. But we will revisit the matter of further support for the Paranet. Anything further would have to wait."

That was about the best you could hope for, and you knew it. "It is good to see that the White Council remains open to aid, in the right circumstances." You hide a smile as the undertones process. "My thanks for your time."

Exiting the fortification, and it is a fortification, is far simpler than entering was. You're still checked, though, and that alone is another statement of Wardens' competence. Alone, they might not pose a threat to you, but in numbers like they're gathered here? You aren't sure. It's a sobering thought, to not know the true strength of their power. Harry gave you a picture, but it isn't a full, and that's in part by design. The Council has never been kind to him, but he still cares for some among its number. Another thing you can respect in the man.

He leaves you at the exit of the chamber with a polite farewell, and a promise to contact you as soon as he has the information. His mentor, you suspect. If you are not mistaken, they'd not talked in a long time. You simply walk out the doors, thank the Wardens for their excellent work, and twist the world around you with a word to bring you home. It's grown a lot. Not in terms of size, but it's not the blank shell that you had to begin with. One of your servitors greets you at the door, a respectful nod the limit of its social skills. You'd had to experiment a great deal to create ones that would function as effective caretakers, but that left you with a surplus to act as security for the household. The ease with which you were able to modify the spell said something about the world you were, but you were only able to get so far. Again, more Lya's field than yours.

"Viserys!" A young voice calls from down one of the corridors leading into the entrance hall, and you pivot in place as the sound of rapidly approaching footsteps ring on the floor. Naomi bursts through the door, skidding to a halt in front of you, just out of easy reach. The smile on her face isn't a tentative one, though. "You're back!"

"I am," her smile is somehow infectious, and you find yourself returning it. "I did say I would be."

"Did it go well, then?" How exactly she always seemed to know what you were doing when you left, you still didn't know.

"It did. What about your studies?" She makes a face, then launches into an excited explanation on what she's been doing recently, occupying almost all of your attention. Not quite all, though. The rest considers how true your statement actually was. The Merlin certainly held all the cards in your first meeting, but come the next, things would be different. There are groups in the White Council that support expanding the Paranet, even turning it into an extension of the White Council. Now they have a chance to act, and with you taking up the spotlight, the Merlin and his allies might not even see them coming until they do.

It makes for a pleasant thought.
 
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