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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
"That one at least..." You silently go over the names of all the baatezu you had gained from the accursed books before you, dozens of Furies sworn to the Lord of the Third and others besides, generals and plot-weavers, sorcerers and dark councilors. With but a handful of spells you could gut infernal schemes millennia in the making, the first among them a plot against the Lord of the First and Guardian of the gates of Avernus whom Mammon seeks to see humbled in Asmodeus' eyes by arranging for a circumstance where he would need rescue on the field of battle.
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Now that is interesting.

[X] Summon a servant of Bael, as high-ranking as you can find in the Bookniila without being serious danger to you and hand over the page detailing this plot against him and the names of those devils involved. Then banish him back to his master.
[X] Only then: The ones you know to be in the world that you might remove as much as possible the Hand of the Lord of the Third from the world
-[X] As many Furies whose names you've retrieved from the ones already in your service as well as the Tome of the Cabal Devil as you can safely recruit, the better to deprive Mammon of servants

@Duesal @egoo @Azel
Don't you think it would be better for us and the world if Mammon is busy?
Bael is relativly direct for a devil, so we can at least hope for some retaliation, rather than just a counter-intrigue that we won't hear of in the next century.
Of course I would vote Azel if he has a better plan to achieve similar results.
 
Artemis1992 said:
@Duesal @egoo @Azel
Don't you think it would be better for us and the world if Mammon is busy?
Bael is relativly direct for a devil, so we can at least hope for some retaliation, rather than just a counter-intrigue that we won't hear of in the next century.
Of course I would vote Azel if he has a better plan to achieve similar results.
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No, I am never voting for a plan that is literally fighting fire with fire. All this does is spread more chaos and discord in the world, which we then have to clean up.
 
Duesal said:
who were generally in charge of his operations?
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Not really my point. If we can take out his officers, we should probably go for that, regardless if they are PM-based or not.

Slightly rewording my vote here, to express what I'm gunning for.

[X] Summon a servant of Bael, as high-ranking as you can find in the Bookniila without being serious danger to you and hand over the page detailing this plot against him and the names of those devils involved. Then banish him back to his master.
[X] The officers, generals and leaders she knew, to better cripple your enemy in all things.
-[X] After that, taarget the ones you know to be in the world that you might remove as much as possible the Hand of the Lord of the Third from the world.
--[X] Attempt so summon Champions of Mammon as well, after all other "cells" of Devils are tried.
--[X] As a final touch, summon as many Furies whose names you've retrieved from the ones already in your service as well as the Tome of the Cabal Devil as you can safely recruit, the better to deprive Mammon of servants.
-[X] Use all Mythic Power uses, Bloodwish, and methods to recover spells avaliable so as to not waste any time.
 
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Duesal said:
No, I am never voting for a plan that is literally fighting fire with fire.
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This can, as far as I can tell, not damage us in any way, because any resulting fire will burn in hell.

If Mammon is even a tiny bit ditracted by having one of his plans against someone other than us fail, isn't that a disadvantage to his operations on Planetos?
 
Walliseatscheese said:
Just expand into the Plane of Earth. We can excavate city sized areas and magic up sunlight and other necessities. There's no reason not to expand into the Infinite Planes once we start getting solid saturation on Planetos.
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I know that, but people think that if we allow endless reincarnation of everyone, our population will eventually grow faster than we can make new places to live.
tarrangar said:
@DragonParadox Would a Weirwood tree with trap the soul, Polymorph any object, and a spell to merge a soul with a body work for reviving the undead Sarnori?(we don't have a specific spell for merging soulgems with bodies, but we have the ritual from when we resurrected Amrelath, and if it can be accomplished by ritual, then it should also be within the power of the right spell) and if it would work, would 2 willing sacrifices, be a sufficient payment for the revival of 1 of them this way?

And yes I recognize that by this way, the revived will have to avoid dispelling magic, on pain on turning into whatever animal was polymorphed into their new body, but I'm sure they can live with that risk, if it mean they get to live.
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"]@DragonParadox I would still like an answer to this, even if that answer is just that you haven't decided yet, I would like a confirmation that you have seen my post.
 
egoo said:
Not really my point. If we can take out his officers, we should probably go for that, regardless if they are PM-based or not.
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@egoo
This idea is wrong.
We can't defeat Mammon. We can't deplete his legions of officers or soldiers.
We can only deal with what he sends to the Material, trying to do real, impactful damage to a Duke of Hell on his own plane is wasted time for now.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
[X] Summon a servant of Bael, as high-ranking as you can find in the Bookniila without being serious danger to you and hand over the page detailing this plot against him and the names of those devils involved. Then banish him back to his master.
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@DragonParadox, does Viserys IC believe this plan to be overly close to what his moronic ancestors did?

tarrangar said:
I would like a confirmation that you have seen my post.
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Just write him a PM, and quote what he says here as a proof if he says "yes", mate. Way easier than relying on him actually reading through everything here.

Artemis1992 said:
We can't defeat Mammon.
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For now :drevil:.
Artemis1992 said:
We can't deplete his legions of officers or soldiers.
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We can take out generals/officers, cause some chaos, which will make his life harder and probably will get us some time to summon up too.

I'm very well aware of how big forces of Devils and Demons are.
No reason not to take out their leaders if there's a chance to - getting new ones will take time, and it is time Devils are less efficient at fucking the world up.
 
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egoo said:
Not really my point. If we can take out his officers, we should probably go for that, regardless if they are PM-based or not.

Slightly rewording my vote here, to express what I'm gunning for.

[X] The officers, generals and leaders she knew, to better cripple your enemy in all things.
-[X] After that, taarget the ones you know to be in the world that you might remove as much as possible the Hand of the Lord of the Third from the world.
--[X] Attempt so summon Champions of Mammon as well, after all other "cells" of Devils are tried.
--[X] As a final touch, summon as many Furies whose names you've retrieved from the ones already in your service as well as the Tome of the Cabal Devil as you can safely recruit, the better to deprive Mammon of servants.
-[X] Use all Mythic Power uses, Bloodwish, and methods to recover spells avaliable so as to not waste any time.
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My issue is that this seems flat out dangerous since we'd explicitly be calling champions (CR appropriate fights, most likely), and while we can win such fights they need more preparation than we have time for right now. We just got done with a double conquest, we have ruling to get back to.
Artemis1992 said:
Just to be clear, I'm not making any form of alliance, I'm not letting this devil be anywhere outside of the snare, the moment we are done talking he gets banished.
We are only giving them an information.
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... Alright, on closer inspection this idea does have merit. I'll add it to my plan.
 
tarrangar said:
"]@DragonParadox I would still like an answer to this, even if that answer is just that you haven't decided yet, I would like a confirmation that you have seen my post.
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Bud, if he's not gonna answer he's not going to answer. Pinging him over and over is not the solution.

@egoo - I think you're under the impression that we can deliver some kind of serious blow to Mammon at large. That's ... not the case. What this does give us is a brilliant opportunity to ruin several of his schemes, both on Planetos and in Hell.
 
In this case Bel centers most of his influence around being really good at doing a job that nobody else wants to do.

I think we can rely on him to tweak Mammon's nose. Just another bout of Infernal politics, and he is likely to see his purview as more important and vital than Mammon trying to signal boost to their CEO.
 
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LonelyWolf999 said:
What this does give us is a brilliant opportunity to ruin several of his schemes, both on Planetos and in Hell.
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Nope, no illusions on my part. Still, taking out generals is worth more than gunning down chaffs, no?
A few more failed schemes equals a few more times he has problems.

It may be little, but it's efficient, still.
Duesal said:
Just finished updating the Larder. We're now at 1905.5 HD.
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Yay!
Now Devils, Rakshasa (???), and some other outsiders (Shadow Hags) left. Neat.
 
LonelyWolf999 said:
Bud, if he's not gonna answer he's not going to answer. Pinging him over and over is not the solution.

@egoo - I think you're under the impression that we can deliver some kind of serious blow to Mammon at large. That's ... not the case. What this does give us is a brilliant opportunity to ruin several of his schemes, both on Planetos and in Hell.
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DragonParadox never deliberately don't answer a question, he just skims quite a lot of the discussion, so sometime you have to PM him if you have a question.

Of course the answer might be that no he will not answer that, but DP isn't the type to deliberately ignore you.
 
tarrangar said:
DragonParadox never deliberately don't answer a question, he just skims quite a lot of the discussion, so sometime you have to PM him if you have a question.

Of course the answer might be that no he will not answer that, but DP isn't the type to deliberately ignore you.
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I can confirm this. The discussion here is just massive, so DP misses a lot of it. If anyone has a question that is seemingly getting ignored, it's not actually being ignored. Just PM DP with the question and you'll get an answer.
 
Robotninja said:
So how much are we aiming for?
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At this point we aren't going to do the ritual until we have Fireproofed Weirwoods figured out.

@egoo is crazy and wants to capture like 5000-10000 HD before we do so. I think it's unrealistic to expect more than what we have now... but we are probably going to have another 1,000 HD if we roll very poorly on research and summon constantly.
 
Robotninja said:
So how much are we aiming for?
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1620 HD, with the rest being used for Valyrian Steel, and if any is left over after that it just goes back to the tree again.
Crake said:
At this point we aren't going to do the ritual until we have Fireproofed Weirwoods figured out.

@egoo is crazy and wants to capture like 5000-10000 HD before we do so. I think it's unrealistic to expect more than what we have now... but we are probably going to have another 1,000 HD if we roll very poorly on research and summon constantly.
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I would not be surprised if we ended up with a couple hundred more HD before we finally figure out the fireproofing.
 
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