Now this is actually somewhat fascinating as an idea, and I'll need to take some time to think about it and how the merger would handle it. Mainly because you can't really work divine magic in the DF-verse as far as I can remember. It's a different sort of thing...

Thank you!



Oh right. Yeah. Like once. Ever. Assume that their existence has not crossed Viserys' radar. I can't really change that without actually knowing more about them, and I don't have any sources on them which I trust beyond the statement that they exist.



@egoo is correct here, for reasons of-



Well, the above, yeah. Viserys has a huge amount of experience, but he's limited in how he can use it. And he also looks young. This is not a good thing.



Business as it was, pre-Fomor, had the Red Court routinely eating practitioners, and the Wardens stated to be struggling under the weight of numbers of new Talents awakening. As it stands now, the Fomor are gone, but only from North America. This means that they'll keep hitting everywhere else, and that the Council's primary focus is unlikely to shift from Eurasia. Which means, again, that things will return to the situation that existed before, but with far fewer Wardens available and now any Warlock coming out of the Paranet has access to the Paranet. Organising the lesser practitioners was and remains a good idea. But it has its downsides too. And now that direct action has been shown to fail, things will take a turn for the more elusive, covert and in some ways, much nastier. The Paranet had one big threat to cluster up against. As others have said, that made their existence obvious. Which makes them a truly delicious target for someone like, I don't know, Cowl.

Who'd probably do it just to fuck over Dresden, with it serving his goals as a happy coincidence. And Viserys isn't saying this will happen immediately. He's saying that it's coming, and that the Council absolutely needs to do its self-appointed job or they're going to get hit with a sucker punch.



Now, on the matter of folks suggesting that Viserys make his own WC, with blackjack and hookers, I'd actually like to thank you. This chapter was going to to be...well, not liked, I suspected. In general, the thread doesn't like it when Viserys loses, even when he has every reason to do so. Perhaps I could have chosen my words more carefully in the passage, but as was pointed out to me, Langtry doesn't need a reason to be come across a self-righteous asshole. It's a good part of what he is. A 'make our own, with x and y' was actually the best I was hoping for, so...yeah. Thanks - as silly as that might sound.

To give a slight spoiler though, please do remember that pushes for the Paranet to be made stronger and more supported has been going for a while. And that Ana has now had most of three years to build up support in the Council. Regardless of what the Merlin might say here, there will be debate on the matter. And there...he might just find himself facing a lot more opposition than he thought.

More importantly, perhaps, Horde Thief isn't narratively designed to be a 'and then everything was fixed, and they left' type of series. There are entities out in the DF universe that would swallow Viserys and the Companions without breaking a sweat, after all. But more importantly, there's the simple concern of time. Viserys has an Empire to rule, a Long Night to prepare for. He doesn't have the time to spend months and years breaking down how the worlds interact, establishing networks, all of the slow stuff that's really needed to do much of what's being suggested. That isn't, though, saying that his presence isn't going to leave a considerable impact on the world after he's picked up. Or even that he won't come back, eventually.

Those events simply lie outwith the breadth of this story. Then again, I think I've got enough planned to keep you all happy with the final result. Arc 2 has quite a bit more to it to come, and sections of it I know will satisfy the 'fuck all y'all' sections of the quest gestalt.

Oh, and thanks to all for finding my typos, pointing out solutions or ideas, and in general being a wonderful and supportive community about this entire monolith of an omake series.

I never suspected that Viserys would be able to move the Council to change, merely to action. Simply being the force he is upon the world and causing ripple effects will make the Council react. He has every advantage and doesn't have to come across as if the Council duped him, merely acted like childish churls who went "well I didn't think you'd be able to do it!!!" and throw a tantrum when Viserys asks again what people like Harry have been pushing for for years.

He has no long term stakes on par with his duty to his home, so merely being around and trying to help out where he can is already going above and beyond expectations, using his huge political savviness to manipulate the Council into acting in pleasing ways is completely possible, especially if he maneuvers people like Lara Raith and the like/people on her level in ways that sort of signals "we gotta make moves too or we're gonna get left behind fast".
 
Now this is actually somewhat fascinating as an idea, and I'll need to take some time to think about it and how the merger would handle it. Mainly because you can't really work divine magic in the DF-verse as far as I can remember. It's a different sort of thing...

Thank you!



Oh right. Yeah. Like once. Ever. Assume that their existence has not crossed Viserys' radar. I can't really change that without actually knowing more about them, and I don't have any sources on them which I trust beyond the statement that they exist.



@egoo is correct here, for reasons of-



Well, the above, yeah. Viserys has a huge amount of experience, but he's limited in how he can use it. And he also looks young. This is not a good thing.



Business as it was, pre-Fomor, had the Red Court routinely eating practitioners, and the Wardens stated to be struggling under the weight of numbers of new Talents awakening. As it stands now, the Fomor are gone, but only from North America. This means that they'll keep hitting everywhere else, and that the Council's primary focus is unlikely to shift from Eurasia. Which means, again, that things will return to the situation that existed before, but with far fewer Wardens available and now any Warlock coming out of the Paranet has access to the Paranet. Organising the lesser practitioners was and remains a good idea. But it has its downsides too. And now that direct action has been shown to fail, things will take a turn for the more elusive, covert and in some ways, much nastier. The Paranet had one big threat to cluster up against. As others have said, that made their existence obvious. Which makes them a truly delicious target for someone like, I don't know, Cowl.

Who'd probably do it just to fuck over Dresden, with it serving his goals as a happy coincidence. And Viserys isn't saying this will happen immediately. He's saying that it's coming, and that the Council absolutely needs to do its self-appointed job or they're going to get hit with a sucker punch.



Now, on the matter of folks suggesting that Viserys make his own WC, with blackjack and hookers, I'd actually like to thank you. This chapter was going to to be...well, not liked, I suspected. In general, the thread doesn't like it when Viserys loses, even when he has every reason to do so. Perhaps I could have chosen my words more carefully in the passage, but as was pointed out to me, Langtry doesn't need a reason to be come across a self-righteous asshole. It's a good part of what he is. A 'make our own, with x and y' was actually the best I was hoping for, so...yeah. Thanks - as silly as that might sound.

To give a slight spoiler though, please do remember that pushes for the Paranet to be made stronger and more supported has been going for a while. And that Ana has now had most of three years to build up support in the Council. Regardless of what the Merlin might say here, there will be debate on the matter. And there...he might just find himself facing a lot more opposition than he thought.

More importantly, perhaps, Horde Thief isn't narratively designed to be a 'and then everything was fixed, and they left' type of series. There are entities out in the DF universe that would swallow Viserys and the Companions without breaking a sweat, after all. But more importantly, there's the simple concern of time. Viserys has an Empire to rule, a Long Night to prepare for. He doesn't have the time to spend months and years breaking down how the worlds interact, establishing networks, all of the slow stuff that's really needed to do much of what's being suggested. That isn't, though, saying that his presence isn't going to leave a considerable impact on the world after he's picked up. Or even that he won't come back, eventually.

Those events simply lie outwith the breadth of this story. Then again, I think I've got enough planned to keep you all happy with the final result. Arc 2 has quite a bit more to it to come, and sections of it I know will satisfy the 'fuck all y'all' sections of the quest gestalt.

Oh, and thanks to all for finding my typos, pointing out solutions or ideas, and in general being a wonderful and supportive community about this entire monolith of an omake series.
Should've shown up to the meeting as a dragon. Would have made a serious impression at least.

As far as I know, nothing like that can be done in DF, especially while being a super strong regular wizard.
 
Should've shown up to the meeting as a dragon. Would have made a serious impression at least.

As far as I know, nothing like that can be done in DF, especially while being a super strong regular wizard.
Numerous reasons I am sure @Snowfire will bury you in aside for why Viserys hasn't been showing off the scales, aside from trolling Harry and Molly, is Snowie's saving that reveal for the most dramatic possible moment, in true DF fashion.
 
Hey, anyone willing to help me out? There is a story over on SB whose author is trying to make the most min maxed Great Wyrm Silver Dragon as they possibly can. While I am an avid D&D player I am not the best at making monsters.
I'm no Iron Chef champion or anything, but I can help ye. Link?
Why are we building the Heralds? What non-swilling enemy do we even have who merits them?
If they can't fight the Illithid, then are they even necessary?

Again, I think that they are an unnecessary vanity project that is ill-duited to building anything good.
Think of them less as generic constructs and more as mini-Viserys.

They are powerful, versatile combatants with a gigantic selection of skills to draw from.

@Azel depends on the scenario. Teleporting inside an underwater fortress won't be bad, if they can just walk along the bottom and kill things.

It'd be easiest if we just made them items of Swimm or, of the Harbinger at least, Freedom of Movement. DP is ruling we can make those things as long as we essentially use Craft Construct to make an attachment, like the See Invisibility visors.
Langtry doesn't need a reason to be come across a self-righteous asshole. It's a good part of what he is.
I always thought that his portrayal was very much a case of a biased narrator, y'know?

In the moments where he isn't on stage, so to speak, he struck me as someone who can be quite personable if he wants to, or to people he likes. He's human, he has friends, like and dislikes.

Yeah he might be an arrogant prick, but then again, that's the prerogative of nearly the entire White Council, ain't it? How often was Harry, mostly unconsciously, acting like the typical WC knows-it-best? And the man can mostly back up his claims with deeds.

He is just a conservative, which, again, most of every older wizard is. I figure the strange mind-hardening effects that happen to 100+ year old wizards have downside which are less explored than they should. Sounds reasonable and somewhat scary, doesn't it? That while you obviously can still learn, it's very, very hard for you to change. Which protects against enchantments... But also against innovation.

He was never sticking fingers in his ears to not hear the obvious, as Harry might think, and just very set into doing it the way he thinks is best.

Fundamentally, you don't make Merlin by being an unsociable prick, or stay Merlin by doing a poor job of it. Langtry doesn't feel like either.
 
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I never suspected that Viserys would be able to move the Council to change, merely to action.

Without getting into anything more in your post, he's certainly already done that

Should've shown up to the meeting as a dragon. Would have made a serious impression at least.

As far as I know, nothing like that can be done in DF, especially while being a super strong regular wizard.

I mean, if-

Numerous reasons I am sure @Snowfire will bury you in aside for why Viserys hasn't been showing off the scales, aside from trolling Harry and Molly, is Snowie's saving that reveal for the most dramatic possible moment, in true DF fashion.

You know, just for this, I'm not going to do what I said I was going to do. So there.
Also I can neither confirm nor deny that narrative drama is playing a role.

Fundamentally, you don't make Merlin by being an unsociable prick, or stay Merlin by doing a poor job of it. Langtry doesn't feel like either.

This is very true, and if my statement came across as overbearing in the direction we're shown of Langtry, then that's a failure on my part. The Merlin, in his actions here, is being a conservative and also acting to try and protect the Council from what could be a really dangerous threat. They need to know who Viserys is, what he is, but they're also very paranoid of him due to what he's done. Something that came up in the discussion between @Sqweaktoy and myself when planning this was how cautious the Council was going to be with meeting Viserys. The most effective statement on that matter was, well, this:

For one thing, it's very likely that the meeting won't be with the whole Senior Council, as they'd never put all of them in the same room with something like Viserys, shit they weren't even willing to out them all on the same stage as Arianna, imagine if it was fucking Kukulkan himself making that speech and you'll have the right paranoia level :rofl:.

Which is why there are Wardens out the wazoo present, a Ward made by the Merlin himself bound to the Circle the Wardens closed, and probably the two most powerful combat wizards in the entire White Council as the main reps. The Gatekeeper was meant to be there, but he was busy, so Cristos was chosen to come along instead. Harry does not approve. That the Senior Council are even willing to come to the table in numbers is actually one hell of a sign of respect, no doubt partially a result of his humanitarian actions (Fomor aren't human, so nyaaaaa), how he's comported himself in them (he actually hasn't broken any of the Laws of Magic, as his opponents haven't precisely been mortal by WC standards) and the reports from one Warden Liaison Harry Dresden. Viserys is a smooth enough political operator to recognise this, but he's also... You know, human is actually not quite the right word at this point, but it'll do!

With that though, this is only part one of two, and the second one promises to be more productive than the initial settling of ground and working out where each other is on it. Viserys knew he was on slanted ground to begin with, after all. He's not the sort to go in without a plan to level it. Sometimes getting to the point where you can takes time, though.
 
Azel depends on the scenario. Teleporting inside an underwater fortress won't be bad, if they can just walk along the bottom and kill things.

It'd be easiest if we just made them items of Swimm or, of the Harbinger at least, Freedom of Movement. DP is ruling we can make those things as long as we essentially use Craft Construct to make an attachment, like the See Invisibility visors.
Sold.

That means we can send the Harbinger to thin out the Sahuagin.
 
As I suspected, haha.

I wonder what you were going to do? More trolling of poor Harry?

Trust me when I say that any appearance of a Red Dragon will be both entirely necessary and appropriately Legendary

Viserys hasn't had much need to bust out that form yet, or has been limited by location - Newfoundland he couldn't do it because it would have brought the entire place down on the prisoners he was trying to save. Oh yeah, and Dark Sister was scene stealing like the glorious Best Sword that she is.
 
Part MMDXXXIX: Father of Monsters
Father of Monsters

Twenty-Eighth Day of the Seventh Month 293 AC

"What the hells...?" Waymar trails off. "Did someone make this place? Are they still watching?" The words are barely more of a whisper since none of you wish to fight the monsters inside this spun-glass cage, particularly if the substance here should have the same arcane property you have just observed.

"No sign of artificial construction, either physical or etheric, no sign of any observers since the presence in the green haze is some eight-hundred feet back down the tunnel, one act of odd predation," Lya slowly shakes her head upon reaching the end of the list. "There is not enough evidence for any thinking presence here, much less that all of this has been designed and is still under observation."

"We should be cautious, but not so much as to be looking for more trouble while hunting ghosts," you conclude before the planning begins in earnest. All of you have no small measure of experience in quickly assessing and shaping a plan, keeping in mind all of your strengths and how they may merge together. Even under such strange circumstances as this, you finish before the monsters had even finished their gruesome meal.

As one the seven of you fly into the cavern upon the wings of spell-wind, keeping well clear of the ground and the ceiling both. As dozens of baleful crimson eyes turn upon you with insatiable hunger, you give them what they have been expecting.

Lya utters a word of power sown into the sleeves of her robes, and the power she had carefully gathered this morning for quite another spell takes shape as four hideous scorpions long as a man is tall with shells of hell-forged iron appear.


No sooner do the creatures coalesce, however, that they begin to twitch and writhe, scratching desperately at the dirt, dying from their first breaths. The fiends care little for that fact, they sense motion and with it life, flesh ready for tearing and feasting. Two of them lunge over the stone, their claws carrying them with improbable swiftness while the gorges fill with the chaotic power of unraveling. Before that pair of monsters can even reach their victims a third crashes from below, this one not demon-kin but simply demon, dripping with reddish ichor like the afterbirth of some accursed becoming.


Where the others of its kindred freeze at your glare, this creature glares up at you and gives a long undulating call, somewhere between the yapping of a dog and the hiss of a great serpent. Though the spell of dragon-awe reduces it to cringing terror along with another trio of lesser beasts, the echoes of its call linger filled with dark foreboding.

"It's calling the rest..." Your words cut off before they are even half spoken, proven to be both true and not for the ceiling above shatters and another of the hideous creatures tumbles through the air... no, files. A gem shining the same cold green as the false sun in the canter of the cavern flashes in its forehead like a misshapen third eye.

"At last, worthy prey," the words are slick and bubbling tar in your mind as the monster lunges towards Ser Richard.

"Ur'zakor!" Mereth shouts, aloud and in Infernal, head-taker if one were to translate literally, the great war-beasts of the demon lords, bred to be slayers of champions and Lords of the Hunt.

What do you do?

[] Teleport Ser Richard out of the cavern, he seems to be the monster's primary target. It will be harder for the rest of you to kill it but at least the knight will not have to bear the full brunt of its power

[] Have Ser Richard hold it off while the rest of you encircle and wear down its protections

[] Write in


OOC: Currently Viserys and Lya have moved, but everyone else has been holding their actions so you can move them in whatever order you wish.
 
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... that's another template I want. Would flaying it and grafting it give that to us? It's still the same demon correct. A Xenarth?
 
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Except that the template comes with an urge to kill heroes, and what have the Seven done lately? The damn thing would just come running back towards Ser Richard, who is now empirically proven to be the most Legendary guy in the known world.
I'm talking about creating a hero-killer in the Fungus Forge. Then we throw it at a Chosen of the Seven and sit back and enjoy. If it comes after us, we kill it.
 
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