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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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True the wall is hard evidence that Bran wanted to keep something out of the North. However I don't think White Walkers are common knowledge outside of the North, and even there people are skeptical of them returning if only due to the vast amount of time it's taken. Magic only disappeared a couple centuries ago correct? It's taken Milllennia for the white walkers to return, so I'd be a bit skeptical without any of the evidence that we have seen.
 
DragonParadox said:
OOC: You guys did not guess precisely right, but still you made a good impression overall on Lord Redwyne.
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Even if it was not the truth it's still right where a Lord's mind should have gone.

It's also a sign of our character that we were sympathetic, rather than accusing when suggesting he sold his kingdom for his sons life.

It's not an easy trade. For anyone.

DragonParadox said:
How many of these things has Paxter Redwne seen with his own eyes and how many are sailors' tales to him?
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Think you might be beating a dead horse with this one DP.
 
That being said, we are technically enriching the North when we give the Night's Watch gold. Who else is the NW going to be buying things from? It's not like anyone but us and the North really go up there to trade in any substantial amount.
 
Dracikral said:
True the wall is hard evidence that Bran wanted to keep something out of the North. However I don't think White Walkers are common knowledge outside of the North, and even there people are skeptical of them returning if only due to the vast amount of time it's taken. Magic only disappeared a couple centuries ago correct? It's taken Milllennia for the white walkers to return, so I'd be a bit skeptical without any of the evidence that we have seen.
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Except this is the moment when everything is returning. Magic has returned, Dragons are back, the Gods have empowered Chosen mortals, the Fae are here again. The Others are just one more thing that is back.
Walliseatscheese said:
That being said, we are technically enriching the North when we give the Night's Watch gold. Who else is the NW going to be buying things from? It's not like anyone but us and the North really go up there to trade in any substantial amount.
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And we're technically enriching Westeros as a whole, after all who's the North going to buy things from now that they have gold? The Night's Watch being seen as an appendage of the North is something we need to correct pronto.
 
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Besides being pretty unbelievable (ironically) that he is at all skeptical at this point I'm just tired of having to have the same conversations over and over again just with different people. Fucking at this point if you don't believe us, who cares. We'll still save you even if its by proxy and we have to drag you kicking and screaming to safety.
 
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Noobody77 said:
I get that it's a little meta but I'm just tired of having to have the same conversations over and over again just with different people. Fucking at this point if you don't believe us, who cares. We'll still save you even if its by proxy and we have to drag you kicking and screaming to safety.
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Except this is not the same conversation not really. 'the Others are coming' is only a potential path to explaining why you are favoring the North, that rebelled over the Reach that did not.
 
Noobody77 said:
Besides being pretty unbelievable (ironically) that he is at all skeptical at this point I'm just tired of having to have the same conversations over and over again just with different people. Fucking at this point if you don't believe us, who cares. We'll still save you even if its by proxy and we have to drag you kicking and screaming to safety.
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Personally I love driving Lord's to drink as soon as we step in the door.

Edit: We should probably give him the "the world is burning" speech.
 
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065tdsa said:
Except this is the moment when everything is returning. Magic has returned, Dragons are back, the Gods have empowered Chosen mortals, the Fae are here again. The Others are just one more thing that is back.
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True but I don't think he knows that everything is coming back. In terms of True Dragons there are only three that have been seen Viserys, Amrelath and Relath. Likewise I doubt he would know the difference between a Valaryian dragon and True dragon, so when it's stated Dragons are coming back his mind goes to the Valaryian Dragons. Since they have featured in comparatively recent history it's quite easy for him to say "ok Dragons are coming back." Fey are even easier to acknowledge seeing as they live at his front door. The Others imo are so vast and ancient a threat I don't think he can just connect them returning to everything else that's happenings.
 
DragonParadox said:
Except this is not the same conversation not really. 'the Others are coming' is only a potential path to explaining why you are favoring the North, that rebelled over the Reach that did not.
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You know what? Fine, I can accept that. In fact I'd be more than willing to sit him down and explain that fact.

I'm more than willing to do that as often as we fucking have too because god only knows how many waves upon waves upon waves of ice flavored bullshit we're going to have to deal with as soon as that bell rings.

We need bodies, we need all the fucking bodies, and I'm more than willing to throw mountain upon mountain of Dragonglass, Gold, time, and even words at whoever we have to in order to make that happen.
 
Goldfish said:
+10 Competence bonus to Knowledge(Arcana) & Knowledge(The Planes): 2,400 IM
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Those are books now.
Goldfish said:
Command-Activated Tongues: 2,900 IM
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You know this is a constant.
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3/Day Telepathy: 7,327 IM
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Snowfire said:
Make it a Minor Artefact set that combines into a Major. Singularly items like the one @Goldfish statted out, that together combine into a halo of orbiting stones, bound together by a circlet of pure magic, focused through the lenses of each stone to create something so much more than the sum of their parts.
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I I'm preeeetty sure we don't have anywhere near the resources or expertise to make a set of Artifacts that combine into another artifact. At the very least not the resources.
 
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Either way we have a couple options. This is in priority to my personal interests

1. We invite him to our lands next month and show him the trophy room.
2. We teleport him now and show him our trophy room
3. We bring a Child of the Forest and induce a crisis of faith. (This one would go higher but I am afraid this would make him more close-minded. Seven doctrine and all that).


Personally 1 works best because he comes to us and we can grab the crown, encase it and never deal with it again or at the very least hold on to it till we shove it down Yss gullet. Or give it to the Old Gods. Or give it to the Jaizarian. Or the Merling king. Did I miss any gods?

2 is also okay but frankly we do that after we grab the crown and he will be tempted to wear the damm thing. As will our other vassals. We should send Lya a message to make this thing quickly. The less exposure we have the better.
 
Tomcost said:
@Artemis1992 , the others originate from the Negative Energy plane or something like that, right? Like Nightshades and so?
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Uh, from what we heard from the Other-Cleric in Volantis and saw upon her defeat for a moment the true Others, what the Reds call the Great Other, are completly outside of reality, not merely on some other Plane.
More like Vestiges than anything else.

But I suspect the outer North will be its own area with weird reality, similar to Valyria or the Feywild.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Those are books now.

You know this is a constant.

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I I'm preeeetty sure we don't have anywhere near the resources or expertise to make a set of Artifacts that combine into another artifact.
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Was just spitballing effects to somewhat duplicate the artifact I was referring to. Wouldn't build it like that if we were actually going to craft something special.
 
An idea would just be teleporting him to SD and taking him on a walk through our Trophy room, then turning around and asking him why he thinks we've been fucking around in Essos for so long.
 
We are supporting the NW? We talked with Ned but that's pretty much it. Also loyal is kinda a stretch. They weren't really loyal. They are trying to get a crown that we keep repeating we don't want that happening for many reasons before.
 
*Pulls chart*

See, this is the river of souls. Your eternal soul goes in here when you die. Then you get judged by metaphysical arbitrary constants and you end up in an sphere of existence that correlates with the alignment asigned to you on this arbitrary scale.

If you are evil, you get tortured until you turn into a sentient automaton almost incapable of doing anything other than following the arbitrary set of morals you were judged as having.

If you are lucky then your souls just merges into the multiverse, and is later pulled apart by Limbo so that it can be reborn in grape plants tended by huge intelligent birds in the plane of Positive Energy, which actually is so linked to life that it would make you explode from being too alive and die if you go there while being a mortal.
 
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mrsean22 said:
We are supporting the NW? We talked with Ned but that's pretty much it. Also loyal is kinda a stretch. They weren't really loyal. They are trying to get a crown that we keep repeating we don't want that happening for many reasons before.
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Yes. We've given them several shipments of high quality arms and armor, tens of thousands of IM, magic items (including Valyrian Steel swords), Verdant Wolf super plant creatures, etc.
 
mrsean22 said:
We are supporting the NW? We talked with Ned but that's pretty much it. Also loyal is kinda a stretch. They weren't really loyal. They are trying to get a crown that we keep repeating we don't want that happening for many reasons before.
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The Reach was loyal in the civil war, the North was not. And talking to Ned was still more than you did to Mace, in fact you are trying to undermine him. Lord Redwyne wants to understand the apparent inconsistency.
 
Tomcost said:
*Pulls chart*

See, this is the river of souls. Your eternal soul goes in here when you die. Then you get judged by metaphysical arbitrary constants and you end up in an sphere of existence that correlates with the alignment asigned to you on this arbitrary scale.

If you are evil, you get tortured into you turn into a sentient automaton almost incapable of doing anything other than following the arbitrary set of morals you were judged as having.

If you are lucky then your souls just merges into the multiverse, and is later pulled apart by Limbo so that it can be reborn in grape plants tended by huge intelligent birds in the plane of Positive Energy, which actually is so linked to life that it would make you explode from being too alive and die if you go there while being a mortal.
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Well now if you put it like that is sounds downright silly.

You didn't even mention the various gods who constantly fight over your soul or the fact that you can literally be turned into brass coins to be used as currency on a plane of eternal fire that just happens to have a dead god swimming around that we may or may not have had a hand in causing.
 
DragonParadox said:
The Reach was loyal in the civil war, the North was not. And talking to Ned was still more than you did to Mace, in fact you are trying to undermine him. Lord Redwyne wants to understand the apparent inconsistency.
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We need Ned supporting the Nightswatch.
We don't want anything from Mace. Literally nothing.

Edit: Also the OGs care about the Starks, nobody cares about the Tyrell.
 
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