He is aware of it the way an educated person in Medieval Europe might be aware of Greco-Roman myth,and puts about as much credence in it.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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He is aware of it the way an educated person in Medieval Europe might be aware of Greco-Roman myth,and puts about as much credence in it.
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Yeah that wall seems like a feat even for an epic caster. Like really how much damage did the Others cause to have that architectural monstrosity be seen as necessary? Like I imagine Brandon went mythic because of that wall.
Believing in magic does not equate to believing that any and all myths are true, still less the myths of a religion he was educated to believe was barbarous and rustic.
Alright but he knows the Wall is real right? And he knows it's actually as tall as people say? Because that's really all the evidence you need.
Brandon the Builder could have built himself one hell of a castle, something that make Harrenhal look like a peasant's wooden hut, with all the time, money and effort that went into the Wall. And instead he walled off the northern border of his kingdom, disregarding all other threats as secondary. If that doesn't give people the hint that there's a serious danger North of the Wall, I don't know what will.
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egoo
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And that's fucking nobility right there.
Great illustration why Westeros is s shithole.
We even gave out fucking pamphlets! Months ago, in fact!
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S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
I'm reminded of my previous statement, "Assume all Westerosi lords are idiots until proven otherwise from multiple different sources."
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Wow, blowing secrets open much?
Not to mention, it kinda does not answer his question.
All this might work, I'm just saying it would not be automatic.
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Because no one not already charged with the duty of staving off the Long Night will be willing to just swallow it as truth. It is literally a children's tale you speak about, in the context that man only survived due to the pluck and courage of a "promised hero".
Not a real fight that could be won, but a dark never-ending winter that you can't cut with swords or hit with arrows.
A man grounded in reality, even if they are starting to accept that magic and fairy tales are real, would have to throw out pretty much every other belief if he accepted an apocalypse was heading their way.
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[X] Magic is rising everywhere. The Fey, while not harmless or nice by any measure, are at least not out for the death of mankind in totality. Things are moving in the North that are.
-[X] Explain the threat of the Others, not as some religious counterplayer to the Old Gods, but simply as undead monsters and corrupted fey seeking to kill all that is. Include the events in Whiteharbor.
-[X] These are not threats to be negotiated with, only to be fought by every living being there is, man, dragon, fey or other creature interested in surviving on this world.
-[X] After clearing that up clarify that what aid you gave freely was given to the Nightswatch, not the Northern lords, aside from cleaning up in Whiteharbor.
-[X] You have done similar things in the Crownlands and Vale against Devils and in various locations against other foes of mankind. The Reach has needed our attention the least so far, both because Fey are less naturally hostile to humans than most magical beings and because the Reach has its own heroes, like the Green Knight and that guardian-group in Oldtown// Phrase it like a compliment, appearantly the Reach's chivalry does produce more heroes than the average of Westeros
-[X] Explain the threat of the Others, not as some religious counterplayer to the Old Gods, but simply as undead monsters and corrupted fey seeking to kill all that is. Include the events in Whiteharbor.
-[X] These are not threats to be negotiated with, only to be fought by every living being there is, man, dragon, fey or other creature interested in surviving on this world.
-[X] After clearing that up clarify that what aid you gave freely was given to the Nightswatch, not the Northern lords, aside from cleaning up in Whiteharbor.
-[X] You have done similar things in the Crownlands and Vale against Devils and in various locations against other foes of mankind. The Reach has needed our attention the least so far, both because Fey are less naturally hostile to humans than most magical beings and because the Reach has its own heroes, like the Green Knight and that guardian-group in Oldtown// Phrase it like a compliment, appearantly the Reach's chivalry does produce more heroes than the average of Westeros
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...There are dragons, not Valyrian, but True dragons flying around. There are fey which can warp the fabric of reality. There are sea-monsters that rise from the oceans ransacking ports. There are creatures which can eat the fey for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Creatures once only in ancient banners come to life once more and somehow undead ice zombies is where they draw the fucking line. Westeros can fuck itself. I hate it already. I get that it is religious and that makes the Seven even worse for me because they know it is real and they have misled their faithful yet again.
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... The stones which stack up to +6 cost 2400 IM each to craft?
They end up exactly twice as costly as a +6 item.
How many of these things has Paxter Redwne seen with his own eyes and how many are sailors' tales to him?
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And here, we have a trophy room.
See how that comes in handy so often?
Except there's physical evidence. Enormous, impossible to hide physical evidence. You literally can't dismiss it as just a myth, because there's the Wall, explicitly built to fend off massive attacks from the North.
Think he'd take us up on a tour of the Trophy Room? Also, Oldtown. If he's been to Oldtown he's seen something because that city was on the verge of destruction for a while.
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Redwine controls the Reach fleet. His harbours would be the first getting hit. He lives on an island. If he isn't seeing abominations rising from the sea, then he is willingly blind.
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We can show him right here.
We have 8 levels of summoning spells.
Including Summon Monster, Nature's Ally and Summon Undead.
The Deep Ones are more of a creeping terror on moonless nights than something that pops up to be seen and witnessed by all and sundry. That said he knows there is something rotten in the seas ,something that infected Oldtown. Now why should that make him automatically believe in the ice zombie apocalypse?
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If we don't take a bit of effort to properly explain, then yes.
I don't expect it to take too much effort, but explaining specifically "There are Kingdom Ending tier enemies Beyond The Wall and I'm not talking about the wildlings. I have fought Them personally, which is how I'm so sure of this fact. I have given aid to the Night's Watch because they are the only force dedicated to fighting this foe and I don't want Westerosi to die." should work.
The point that DP is making is that Paxter is going to be convincable, but he lacks the information that we do so we're going to need to put in some small effort to educate him.