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Which is why I said Gibraltar is fine. Not that Spain could strangle our supply chain without running afoul of the British and Italian Navies, but the point is I never said we weren't going to take Gibraltar.
A Reforged World (NO SV, You are King of Italy, in a Greatly Changed World)
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So a moment to say something that must be said.
The fact that Italy cares about stopping the Slave trade is something that is an antithesis to almost any nation in history at this point.
And the fact that they are under a king that decides that it would be better to look to the future in technology, and push through something far more... is well...
To put things bluntly, it makes what we can potentially do... incredibly... great.
Since this is an Era of Nation States, this is also potentially an Era where only one industrial power can rise.
That being Italy. With all the problems that it may arise.
Just telling you, that if you go down the path of industrialization... you will have to deal with the consequences.
Be careful.
The fact that Italy cares about stopping the Slave trade is something that is an antithesis to almost any nation in history at this point.
And the fact that they are under a king that decides that it would be better to look to the future in technology, and push through something far more... is well...
To put things bluntly, it makes what we can potentially do... incredibly... great.
Since this is an Era of Nation States, this is also potentially an Era where only one industrial power can rise.
That being Italy. With all the problems that it may arise.
Just telling you, that if you go down the path of industrialization... you will have to deal with the consequences.
Be careful.
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Industrialized China: Hello There!
The Path towards Industrialization, no matter how treacherous a path (Cough Habsburgs, Ottomans, France, England, Maybe Spain Cough), is the only way to convince those who only sought profit to see Slavery as "Inefficient waste of economic potential".
Additionally, Italy also needs to develop Economic and Financial Theories/Finances to take full potential of Industrialisation..
Such as a Central Bank..but I wonder who would be that one person who'd be crazy enough to develop and help the process of industrialization to its full throttle the British went through..Hmm
I mean, at least we won't get so addicted to tea that we would start pushing drugs on an industrial scale to pay for them.
Also, does that mean we get to steal the Britannia song and rename it Italia?
Tea Addict Luciano and Isabella Omake coming when I have the muse for it.
I guess we have no choice but to unintentionally become the Roman Empire and our only ally is freaking England
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Yeah but that would require tons of economic theory to be developed.
... Central Banks have been a thing before... the English are about to start their own.
Doesn't Italy have a lot of old banking families? My only worry would be that we would be stepping on powerfull toes if we created a Central Bank.
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What if we allowed them to basically be franchises of the Central Bank, allowing them to keep their banks and profirs in exchange for submitting enough money to the government?
I'm speaking one moreso one focused towards national inflation and other concepts that would've been developed later rather than the concept of Member Subscription, Banking Rates, etc.
In Addition, a Full Industrialization would require the Government to tackle the Taxation Question (and the issues of inconsistencies, efforts for consistent taxation, and how much is a person taxed that wouldn't cause a riot, or anger too much of the Higher Caste.)
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[]The Security Continues (If the rolls get lower then 20, no internal chaos)
[]The People Sing (Times New Roman grows larger.)
[]Unknown Friends (Unknown effect)
[]The Senator's Insanity is winning him popularity (Octavian Is having a good time, and the papers grow larger)
[]I belive that Nothing can be accomplished, without drastic measures (The Republicans grow larger, and more radical)
[]I have seen the future and this is not good (Unkonwn Effect)
Convincing the Spanish to make Luciano be their Temporary King as they attempt to convince Charles to return..with Charles declaring Luciano his heir to the Spanish Throne then abdicating afterwards as he focuses on the New World..
French and Austrians call BS, and sends an ultimatum to have their..representatives..to take care of European Spain.
Thus, with England wanting another go at their Rival (and suspects of the French planning an invasion anyway), they Join the War of the First Coalition.
Italy, Spain, and England vs First Coalition (France, Austria, Portugal?, and the rest of the HRE).
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We can't be the Roman empire. We aren't slavery loving power mongers who kill great inventors in the name of conquest.
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Let's do one better,let's help blackbeard set up that pirate Republic he wanted permanently, let's us have a base in the new world and we can pretend that it is 100% not us blowing up Spanish ships.Or Every Pirate flies the Italian Flag with a Letter of Marque to end all slavery in the world.
And sink Spanish ships.
Also fun fact there was a pirate Republic in our timeline.
Republic of Pirates - Wikipedia
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...I'm pretty sure the guy's not even alive yet.Let's do one better,let's help blackbeard set up that pirate Republic he wanted permanently, let's us have a base in the new world and we can pretend that it is 100% not us blowing up Spanish ships.
Also fun fact there was a pirate Republic in our timeline.
Republic of Pirates - Wikipedia
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Ah well then,let's send a Italian pirate and have him steal blackbeards gimmick before he's born.
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Definitely more than 100 years prior to his birth, And our crushing of the tunis pirates probably makes pirates a little wary. Plus, Caribbean pirates make use of slaves the same as everyone else now. Gonna take a lot of effort to get people to realize there is no port too far for Luciano's abolition stick to reach.
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Gold. The Florin is currently the worlds top currency, and is a gold coin.
Ah,well then I suggest we best prepare for the Spanish conquistadors to do what they did in our timeline,flood the market with so much gold the economy crashs.
Map of the United Kingdom of Italy 1518
Map of the United Kingdom of Italy 1518
Legend
Beige: Kingdom of Rome
Pink: Duchy of Savoy
Dark Blue: Republic of Genoa
Green: Duchy of Milan
Blue: Republic of Venice
Red: Republic of Florence
Purple: Kingdom of Naples
Dark Green: Kingdom of Sicily
Light Blue: Kingdom of Candia-Morea
Orange: Kingdom of Cyprus
Gray: Knights Hospitaller
Okay, so after my admittedly mid map last time, I used a better base and did more research to make a true definitive map of our borders at this current time. Al of the mainland Italian territories correspond with the Itlaian states leading up to Unification historically with a lot of the smaller states being annexed into the greater states. The inclusion of Venice gave us their Dalmatian territories, Ioanian islands, Venetian Albania, and Cyprus as well.
As for the new additions, well there's some retcons. Since the Ottomans owned none of our territorial demands in the peace treaty, I asked and received permission from Magoose to make some changes. First of all, Rhodes asked for annexation by us as they need our Navy to carry out their duties, so Rhodes was annexed along with them getting the Ottoman North Aegan islands. Secondly, the island of Euborea and the peninsula of Morea are annexed during the war. This is due to them being historic Venetian territories that fell to the Ottomans in the last 50 years, so this is reclaiming rightful Italian clay and that was ruled by our fathers and grandfathers, thus something Suleiman can accept.
As for the internal divisions, since so many of our states formerly held the title of Kingdoms, it was my idea for them to retain their title and Luciano to become King of said states while being the King of Italy. The only exception being Naples where King Cosmo is King-in-Naples while swearing fealty to Luciano as "King of Italy". As for the existence of republics, basically at the provincial level, Genoa and Venice are run in a Republican fashion but swear fealty and sovereignty to Luciano similar to the HRE Republics.
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Beige: Kingdom of Rome
Pink: Duchy of Savoy
Dark Blue: Republic of Genoa
Green: Duchy of Milan
Blue: Republic of Venice
Red: Republic of Florence
Purple: Kingdom of Naples
Dark Green: Kingdom of Sicily
Light Blue: Kingdom of Candia-Morea
Orange: Kingdom of Cyprus
Gray: Knights Hospitaller
Okay, so after my admittedly mid map last time, I used a better base and did more research to make a true definitive map of our borders at this current time. Al of the mainland Italian territories correspond with the Itlaian states leading up to Unification historically with a lot of the smaller states being annexed into the greater states. The inclusion of Venice gave us their Dalmatian territories, Ioanian islands, Venetian Albania, and Cyprus as well.
As for the new additions, well there's some retcons. Since the Ottomans owned none of our territorial demands in the peace treaty, I asked and received permission from Magoose to make some changes. First of all, Rhodes asked for annexation by us as they need our Navy to carry out their duties, so Rhodes was annexed along with them getting the Ottoman North Aegan islands. Secondly, the island of Euborea and the peninsula of Morea are annexed during the war. This is due to them being historic Venetian territories that fell to the Ottomans in the last 50 years, so this is reclaiming rightful Italian clay and that was ruled by our fathers and grandfathers, thus something Suleiman can accept.
As for the internal divisions, since so many of our states formerly held the title of Kingdoms, it was my idea for them to retain their title and Luciano to become King of said states while being the King of Italy. The only exception being Naples where King Cosmo is King-in-Naples while swearing fealty to Luciano as "King of Italy". As for the existence of republics, basically at the provincial level, Genoa and Venice are run in a Republican fashion but swear fealty and sovereignty to Luciano similar to the HRE Republics.
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Now, I know enough about Italian geography to know which of these is which when I look at the map, but I'm pretty sure these are still supposed to be listed as different shades of green.
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Ahh, but will they be able too, when the Italian fleet stands between there gold and the slaves Charles means to spend it on? Something tells me a lot less of that gold will be reaching Europe, for fear to send it to sea at all.
Edit: also, Charles seems to be building a gilded empire, so he probably keeps a lot of gold for himself.
Sage.
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Like I said, if Charles has it his way..he'd form the Empire of Mexico and make it independant from Spain..
If Charles does not return, there will be a War for Spanish Succession..the question would then go to: Who would Charles nominate to be the one who rules Spain as the new King..and who would the French and Austrians propose as their pretenders to the throne?