A Reforged World (NO SV, You are King of Italy, in a Greatly Changed World)

The Greeks just said they rather have us as their king I say yes so the ottomans don't take it back

Even if that's what the Greeks would want that doesn't mean the rest of Europe would want to see Italy even more ascendant. Like I said, we may have to give it up to be seen as playing ball otherwise it would be one of those things where it raises the difficulty of rolls, like when we hammered out Italian unification in the first quest.
 
The Metz Conference
The Metz Conference:

You were here, alone, with your diplomats, when you saw the False Emperor… now called the Last Emperor… as he walked through the halls of the fortification that had barely stood… yet it was the place that the Pope Kings representatives chose.

Sorry, the Former Pope King, had died, as you learned, in a palace coup, his officers knowing the situation that they were in had no hope of victory once the Spanish and Italians got their act together, once the navies were controlled the seas, and once the Army of the Alps just walked around. There was no hope of a contrasting victory. In their eyes.

The Germans would have soon destroyed them, if they unified.

They may win on the battlefield, but they had the upper hand now and wanted peace.

So, leaving an infant and themselves as regents, the General of the Army of the Netherlands, Henri, Count of Provonce called this conference.

The head of the Pope King was on the walls. "All this, and my victory is taken away from me." The Emperor stated as his mouth twitched, looking at the head. "Stamped away, and destroyed by others!"

You moved quietly and towards the Emperor. "They called for this, for peace."

"For their peace." He said bitterly. "I have a broken land, a destroyed home, and a title that is meaningless to the eyes of Europe. They have shattered Frankfurt into a memory…" He looked towards you. "Destroy them… do not let them escape lightly, they will only just come back and destroy us again."

"We can't," you said somberly. "We didn't win, but we didn't lose. They are tired… why can't you accept that peace now… is an option."

"Because they are monsters, deserving of God's wrath! And only His wrath!" He screamed. "I have to live, with not doing enough to save my people. You don't."
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A few days before the conference, Charles stood next to you, smoking some weed from the Americas, who were holding his trembling hands. "What do you plan to do?" You asked. "Going to give France anything?"

Charles took a drag from the weed and blew a smoke ring. "What can I demand, that I haven't already gained? Germany is fragmented, the Church is looking for a protector, and I have risen to an occasion. There is a crisis of people fleeing from Germany that can be used more productively."

"You're thinking about the new world at a time like this when Europe is in ruins?"

"Europe has always been a ruin, ever since Rome," Charles said. "Always battling, and destroying itself." He threw the weed away. "I care for Spain, but it's the new world that is the true prize. I care little for much else. That legacy will make me immortal."

"But what will you do?"

"If I had to choose? Nothing." He said. "France barely won its victory… to take it away will create peace… only for a year or a decade to pass, and do it all over again. If France can keep her spoils, then fine. If she can't, then it will prove me right."

"Right about what?" You asked. "Europe?"

"Indeed." He smiled. "It's a stinking, rotting corpse. Let France be the king of it."
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You looked at the demands. "No indemnities? No changing of territory not conquered and he4ld by French troops? No Empire?" You asked your diplomat.

What the hell were they playing at. They were asking for only territory, and nothing else?

Even the Ottomans were trying desperately to stop Italy from taking anything from Greece.
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The Current French Demands:

Control over the Austrian Netherlands: The Netherlands, rightfully conquered by the French Army, and with the support of the Dutch People, will be part of France in perpituity.

No Indemnities: The french Regents will pay not a single piece of Silver and gold to any of the losers.
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Do you accept the Demands or not?:
[]Accept them
[]Deny Them and renegotiate them.
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If you deny them, what do you choose:

The current DC is 0

[]Control over the Austrian Netherlands: The Netherlands, rightfully conquered by the French Army, and with the support of the Dutch People, will be part of France in perpetuity. (no change to DC)

[]No Indemnities: The French Regents will pay not a single piece of Silver and gold to any of the losers. (-5 to DC. Cannot be taken with indemnities to the Germans)

[]No control over the Austrian Netherlands: The Netherlands will be returned to Austria. (+40 to DC)

[]Accept Luciano as King of the Greeks: The French will accept that Luciano is King of the Greeks (+10 to DC)

[]Deny Luciano as King of the Greeks: Luciano will deny becoming King of the Greeks (-10 to DC)

[]Disollve the Franco Ottoman Allience: You will demand that the French immediately dissolve the Allience they have with the Ottomans. (+20 to DC)

[]Disarmernment and dismantlement of the French Navy: France will be left without a navy. and cannot rebuild one. (+50 to DC)

[]Indemnities to the North Germans (The Relm of the Last Emperor): The French will pay indemnities to the Last Emperors Realm of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+10 to DC)

[]Indemnities to the South Germans (Austria and Bavaria): The French will pay indemnities to the South German alliance of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+15 to DC)

[]The Rebuilding of Frankfurt: France destroyed Frankfurt, and they will rebuild it brick by brick. (+25 to DC)

[]Write in
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AN: Plan format, please.

As you have noticed there are few options available, I am giving you all the freedom to do negotiations.

Enjoy and please vote in plan format please.


And one thing to say before I do anything else.

IF you fail the negotiation roll... One option, or two, depending on the roll, will be removed until the DC is lower then the roll that I do.
 
yet it was the place that the Pope Kings representatives chose.
"King's"

No changing of territory not conquered and he4ld by French troops?
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[X] Plan New Borders, New Debts
-[X]Deny Them and renegotiate them.
-[X]Control over the Austrian Netherlands: The Netherlands, rightfully conquered by the French Army, and with the support of the Dutch People, will be part of France in perpetuity. (no change to DC)
-[X]Accept Luciano as King of the Greeks: The French will accept that Luciano is King of the Greeks (+10 to DC)
-[X]Disollve the Franco Ottoman Allience: You will demand that the French immediately dissolve the Allience they have with the Ottomans. (+20 to DC)
-[X]Indemnities to the North Germans (The Relm of the Last Emperor): The French will pay indemnities to the Last Emperors Realm of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+10 to DC)
-[X]Indemnities to the South Germans (Austria and Bavaria): The French will pay indemnities to the South German alliance of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+15 to DC)

Reasoning:

Netherlands: I really, really don't like this one, but that +40 to the DC is way too high.

Greece: Not a significant increase to the DC and serves our interests.

Dissolve Franco-Ottoman Alliance: At minimum this makes the two of them less dangerous for a while, at maximum it lets us keep kicking the Ottomans while they're down and either take more of their territory for ourselves or, failing that, get it out of Ottoman hands.

French Navy: Way too big of an increase to the DC. Pass. We'll destroy them again later if we have to.

Indemnities: We can take both of these without raising the DC too high and I want the French to compensate the Germans to some degree for all of this, even if it's nowhere near enough.

Frankfurt: Would push the DC too high, and between this and the Indemnities, I think the latter will do more good than rebuilding one city.

Current DC: 55
 
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[X]Deny Them and renegotiate them.

Only putting this here to put it here, not that I actually think it will win.

[X] I Am Luciano Graziani King of Italy
-[X]No control over the Austrian Netherlands: The Netherlands will be returned to Austria. (+40 to DC)
-[X]Accept Luciano as King of the Greeks: The French will accept that Luciano is King of the Greeks (+10 to DC)
-[X]Indemnities to the North Germans (The Relm of the Last Emperor): The French will pay indemnities to the Last Emperors Realm of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+10 to DC)
-[X]Indemnities to the South Germans (Austria and Bavaria): The French will pay indemnities to the South German alliance of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+15 to DC)
-[X]The Rebuilding of Frankfurt: France destroyed Frankfurt, and they will rebuild it brick by brick. (+25 to DC)

DC 100
 
[X]Plan: Sneaky King

[X]Deny Them and renegotiate them.

-[X]Control over the Austrian Netherlands: The Netherlands, rightfully conquered by the French Army, and with the support of the Dutch People, will be part of France in perpetuity. (no change to DC)

-[X]Accept Luciano as King of the Greeks: The French will accept that Luciano is King of the Greeks (+10 to DC)

-[X]Indemnities to the North Germans (The Relm of the Last Emperor): The French will pay indemnities to the Last Emperors Realm of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+10 to DC)

-[X]Indemnities to the South Germans (Austria and Bavaria): The French will pay indemnities to the South German alliance of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+15 to DC)

-[X]The Rebuilding of Frankfurt: France destroyed Frankfurt, and they will rebuild it brick by brick. (+25 to DC)

A DC of 60 its good? With this options we got an ally with the Germans punish and ashame the french and broke the alliance Franco-Ottoman, if the french recognize the italians right to be greeks king, will get his ally angry and without picking the option to disolve the alliance.
 
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Plan: Sneaky King
[X]Accept Luciano as King of the Greeks: The French will accept that Luciano is King of the Greeks (+10 to DC)

[X]Indemnities to the North Germans (The Relm of the Last Emperor): The French will pay indemnities to the Last Emperors Realm of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+10 to DC)

[X]Indemnities to the South Germans (Austria and Bavaria): The French will pay indemnities to the South German alliance of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+15 to DC)

[X]The Rebuilding of Frankfurt: France destroyed Frankfurt, and they will rebuild it brick by brick. (+25 to DC)
Firstly, this is formatted incorrectly. A plan vote has to be formatted as follows;

[] Plan Name
-[] Plan vote 1
-[] Plan vote 2
-[] Plan vote 3
-[] Etc.

Secondly, you did not address the Netherlands at all.
 
[X] Plan: True Peace in Our Time
-[X]Accept them
--[X]Control over the Austrian Netherlands: The Netherlands, rightfully conquered by the French Army, and with the support of the Dutch People, will be part of France in perpetuity. (no change to DC)
--[X]No Indemnities: The French Regents will pay not a single piece of Silver and gold to any of the losers. (-5 to DC. Cannot be taken with indemnities to the Germans)
-[X]Accept Luciano as King of the Greeks: The French will accept that Luciano is King of the Greeks (+10 to DC)
-[X]The Rebuilding of Frankfurt: France destroyed Frankfurt, and they will rebuild it brick by brick. (+25 to DC)
-[X] Write-In: A Treaty that demands no war be waged with each member for at least a century (?? to DC)

30 + ?? DC, I just Italy to not be involved with anything.
 
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Honestly, I don't want to be king of Greece and it is an easy -10 off our DC. Not voting for any plan that makes us king there.

@Magoose Could there be an option of not returning the Austrians the Netherlands and we all come to some agreement over who can rule it instead? Like Germany, Italy, and Spain can name candidates and all involved come to some decision about it. Same for Greece as a different no Luciano taking it option?
 
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[X] Plan New Borders, New Debts v2
-[X]Deny Them and renegotiate them.
-[X]Control over the Austrian Netherlands: The Netherlands, rightfully conquered by the French Army, and with the support of the Dutch People, will be part of France in perpetuity. (no change to DC)
-[X]Accept Luciano as King of the Greeks: The French will accept that Luciano is King of the Greeks (+10 to DC)
-[X]Indemnities to the North Germans (The Relm of the Last Emperor): The French will pay indemnities to the Last Emperors Realm of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+10 to DC)
-[X]Indemnities to the South Germans (Austria and Bavaria): The French will pay indemnities to the South German alliance of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+15 to DC)

DC 35
The reason I removed the Franco-Ottoman alliance is that they can just reestablish it later. What are the chances that France goes revanchist later?

Edit: Actually no, It's Germany I see going revanchist
 
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[X] Plan A New Europe
-[X]Deny Them and renegotiate them.
-[X]No control over the Austrian Netherlands: The Netherlands will be turned over to someone new agreed on by the Conference. (+?? to DC)
-[X]Deny Luciano as King of the Greeks: Luciano will deny becoming King of the Greeks. The Greek crown will be turned over to someone new agreed on by the Conference. (-?? to DC)
-[X]Indemnities to the North Germans (The Relm of the Last Emperor): The French will pay indemnities to the Last Emperors Realm of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+10 to DC)
-[X]Indemnities to the South Germans (Austria and Bavaria): The French will pay indemnities to the South German alliance of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+15 to DC)

Basically, the way I see it is that if we do some great power playing the game we are bound to get more leeway than giving up on the Dutch or claiming Greece for ourselves. This is of course if @Magoose agrees at all. I honestly feel we have little pull to cancel the Franco-Ottoman alliance and culling their navy would only be a stop-gap. As for Frankfurt, I could see Luciano convincing Charles to help him rebuild it as a diplomatic act to strengthen bonds with Germany (and yes, I support forming a German state instead of reforming the HRE because it would probably be easier to do it now than it was OTL) and hopefully allow us all to can keep France caged.
 
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[X]Plan: Sneaky King
-[X]Deny Them and renegotiate them.
-[X]Control over the Austrian Netherlands: The Netherlands, rightfully conquered by the French Army, and with the support of the Dutch People, will be part of France in perpetuity. (no change to DC)
-[X]Accept Luciano as King of the Greeks: The French will accept that Luciano is King of the Greeks (+10 to DC)
-[X]Indemnities to the North Germans (The Realm of the Last Emperor): The French will pay indemnities to the Last Emperors Realm of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+10 to DC)
-[X]Indemnities to the South Germans (Austria and Bavaria): The French will pay indemnities to the South German alliance of ten million Florins over the course of 20 years, to pay for the pain and suffering they have caused. (+15 to DC)
-[X]The Rebuilding of Frankfurt: France destroyed Frankfurt, and they will rebuild it brick by brick. (+25 to DC)

Plan Sneaky king properly formatted.
 
[X] Plan New Borders, New Debts

[X] Plan New Borders, New Debts v2

Edit: if we don't meet the DC, I would remove first the indemnities.
 
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