A Reforged World (NO SV, You are King of Italy, in a Greatly Changed World)

Oh neat, the Incas are still kicking! Honestly this changes much more than people think; with the fall of the Incas and the burning of their records as 'worthless fabric', the world lost the logistical lessons of the most successful command economy in history, not to mention the mathematics, metallurgy and frankly far superior architecture the Incans had.

In OTL, Pizarro destroyed the greatest civilisation in the world at the time bar none. In this timeline, the Incas live, but on the horizons rivals arise and their true test only begins...

If this game had continued, I would have suggested an expedition south into Africa; not of colonialism, but of intellectual exchange. African peoples were the first to master iron, and some groups managed what we call 'Bessemer Steel' a thousand years before Bessemer was even born. Oh and many groups had better midwifery too, including successful caesarean sections.
 
Oh neat, the Incas are still kicking! Honestly this changes much more than people think; with the fall of the Incas and the burning of their records as 'worthless fabric', the world lost the logistical lessons of the most successful command economy in history, not to mention the mathematics, metallurgy and frankly far superior architecture the Incans had
I still think it's top 3. Probably number three in my opinion. I'm sorry but the Inca's did not have trans-Atlantic or Pacific travel and that knocks them down a few pegs in my personal ranking.

Sorry but I love me my boats. and I think their economy is overrated, personally. However, I will give their logistic their empire gets my road senses tingling, something that they did better then probably any other civilization on the planet.

However, in this world, they are behind Luciano and his trains and his bullshit engineering.

in saying that, I'm not going to say that they will be a powerhouse of economic might in the short term future... Italy has a monopoly on Trains and how to build them.

But they are knocking on the door of great power status.

The problem being is that they are suffering from the misfortune of not having exposure to Smallpox and other diseases, and of course... lacking horses.

That will change of course, but they are going to suffer a bit... and won't become a true power until two hundred years.

And after they suffer the westernization of their society... or rather the partial westernization of their society.
In OTL, Pizarro destroyed the greatest civilisation in the world at the time bar none. In this timeline, the Incas live, but on the horizons rivals arise and their true test only begins...
I'm sorry but China still exists at this timeline... and they are the pinnacle of human civilization at this point. Even if Italy will soon take that over by the sheer virtue of.. stuff.

Even if they are about to get stomped by the Qing.
If this game had continued, I would have suggested an expedition south into Africa; not of colonialism, but of intellectual exchange. African peoples were the first to master iron, and some groups managed what we call 'Bessemer Steel' a thousand years before Bessemer was even born. Oh and many groups had better midwifery too, including successful caesarean sections.
Well I am going to say this.

Luciano's African adventures have... consequences of a more military kind.

He is going to dismantle much of the world's Global slave trade by the time he kicks the bucket. and that means his Army and Navy will be doing some Army and navy things. Destroying entire nations economies because they were slavers, and that was to him a sin.

And that is not a good thing for Africa in the short term.
 
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He is going to dismantle much of the world's Global slave trade by the time he kicks the bucket. and that means his Army and Navy will be doing some Army and navy things. Destroying entire nations economies because they were slavers, and that was to him a sin.

And that is not a good thing for Africa in the short term.

Yeah, most African kingdoms did rely on selling cheap labor to the Europeans to make bank at this time, but it still morally wrong.
 
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Yeah, most African kingdoms did rely on selling cheap labor to the Europeans to make bank at this time, but it still morally wrong.
As I have said... Luciano's Abolitionist tendencies to end slavery will cause a lot of suffering to the world's global economy, and those that rely on it. And a lot of suffering for the slavers themselves, who are getting the John Brown Treatment on a national level...

Italy has got the boots.
 
As I have said... Luciano's Abolitionist tendencies to end slavery will cause a lot of suffering to the world's global economy, and those that rely on it. And a lot of suffering for the slavers themselves, who are getting the John Brown Treatment on a national level...
Fair enough for global the economy, but the slavers had coming. There slavers, they do terrible things to people they basically have as cattle daily.
 
Well, looks like slavery is going underground early. Very early as no-one is willing to challenge Italy whom has just decided to smash EVERYTHING supporting the slave trade.:lol::rofl:
 
The final score of Luciano the First
The final score of Luciano the First

Luciano the First of Italy, Luciano the Liberator, Luciano the Engineer. The Unifier of Italy, THe Wunderkind, Friend to the Germans, Friend to the English. The Reforger of the World.

Legacy Points: 6,604,042 (You are among the most important men in all of Human History, and certainly one of the most important secular figures of the last thousand years, for your impact on society, science, engineering, commerce, and social progress. A Genius without peers, some consider him the foremost engineer of all of human history, and until the modern invention of Flight, the greatest proponent of human movement in History. Politically, you are considered, though falsely, the First constitutional Monarch. Your rule, and trust of the governed, made you a popular sovereign, and introduced and spread, the idea of popular sovereignty in Europe.)

When Luciano Grazini was born in 1500, no one knew just what that boy would accomplish in his 70 years of life. That much many of you have read in his stories. But it is his later reign, where he did not accomplish nearly as much, save for two crucial aspects.

The invention of the Cartridge, which would revolutionize industrial warfare for the horrific, and the State-sponsored decree of ending the Global slave trade, and the abolition of the former slaves. Now many of the targets of the Italian slave trade were in Africa, where the Slave Kingdoms and Ottomans gathered their chattel.

And it would be where the Italian Navy would earn the Name, the Sourge of Africa. For there was nothing that was so deadly, as a ship that flew an Italian Flag… because that meant, all that saw, all they knew would die.

Many African kingdoms, from West Africa To Kongo… were destroyed, and razed to the ground without hesitation for their practice of human chattel as the only pretext for it. Against orders one must be aware, that each expedition was not allowed to conduct diplomacy, or make moves that would be considered as such.

But to the captains, commodores, and admirals that saw the great slave markets of Africa… all they saw, would push them further into Christian fury, the fury of the Old Testament God, to proselytize those they rescued, and to rip apart civilizations that existed for thousands of years by the roots.

They succeeded beyond their wildest dreams and imaginations… all while creating a new world behind them.

Hundreds of thousands would die, and the newly Christian kingdoms, free of the slavery systems that had been there for centuries, were forced to change.

Some fell into anarchy, and could not survive, they would soon become easy conquests to the Portuguese, Dutch, and French Empires.

Many more, most notably in Congo, would become one of the richest and most powerful nations in Africa, and would gain an incredibly close friendship with the Italians going into the 20th century.

Luciano's rebuilding of Italy and Rome itself would mark the beginning of the Italian Golden Age, which lasted for almost two hundred years before much of the rest of the world finally caught up to his genius and his good relations with the Papacy, would see them sponsor many works of art, architecture and public works. In fact, by the modern day, the church's footprint on Rome, would be indescribable. And much of the city would owe its water supply to Luciano.

Lucaino's most notable Legal contribution, was his submission to the Senate's authority to Tax his lands, and his personal holdings, setting the precedent for the King to be subject to the Senate's authority for Taxation.

Later monarchs would try to weasel out of it, mostly to supplement lavish and decadent lifestyles that were unbecoming of Italian kings who were known by reputation to be modest, honorable, and even ascetic to the ideal of luxury, as their forebearer Luciano would set precedent for. But it would later finally come to a crisis in the 1880s when it was finally proclaimed that the Royal Family would no longer collect incomes from their personal property, instead getting a set stipend from the Italian Senate.

His greatest technological contribution would be the Steam Turbine, which, until the invention of the internal combustion engine, would be the sole source of power for many nations.

Many consider his most prized ideas, called the Book of Engineers by modern scholars, would be studied for centuries, and many of his inventions would never be produced. Many consider what he created, so far beyond his time, that no one knew if anything in it could be created.


AN: Luciano is considered the finest monarch, and most important human being on the secular side, in Human history.

only Ghengis Khan, Jesus, The Prophet Muhammad and Qin Shi Huang have higher legacy scores then him.

THe End. and thanks for reading.
 
"The"

A Genius without peers
Pretty sure this should be "peer", singular.

And it would be where the Italian Navy would earn the Name, the Sourge of Africa.
"Scourge"

Some fell into anarchy, and could not survive, they would soon become easy conquests to the Portuguese, Dutch, and French Empires.
None for the Italians?
 
None for the Italians?
Italy went to the new world with the English.

The Pasta People and the English learned to get along... to the detriment of every other European power on the continent, and later, the Italians and English.

American was founded by Pasta people, Indians, Free Africans, English, Scots, Welsh, and wierdly enough, some Sikhi that go really lost.
 
But it would later finally come to a crisis in the 1880s when it was finally proclaimed that the Royal Family would no longer collect incomes from their personal property, instead getting a set stipend from the Italian Senate.
Umm? What? You can't just nationalize a family's property and income from that property, Royal or not. This is an asshole power grab to limit royal influence by making sure the Royals would have limited funds with which to effect the course of the state. Fucking ingrates.
So is Italy an empire now
Of course not. It described several empires taking advantage of our destruction of slave bearing nations to expand into empires, presumably because we couldn't be bothered.
 
Umm? What? You can't just nationalize a family's property and income from that property, Royal or not. This is an asshole power grab to limit royal influence by making sure the Royals would have limited funds with which to effect the course of the state. Fucking ingrates.
well the thing is, it was a long time coming.

and its not like the Grazini family was really doing anything.

But they make shit loads of money from their buissnesses. which are not subject to taxes. :V

The above is a joke.
 
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The problem being is that they are suffering from the misfortune of not having exposure to Smallpox and other diseases, and of course... lacking horses.
Horses and mules are actually nearly worthless in the Incan context; the very nature of cross-mountain road systems in pre-modern contexts makes 'carts' impossible; remember, all Mesoamerica had the wheel, they just had no use for it other than as a children's toy. The llama and alpaca are superior when it comes to that form of logistics, in that they are far better pack-animals than most equines, and especially better in steep slopes/high altitudes. The one thing that horses have over extant pack-animals is... cavalry. That's it. When you factor in how finicky and fragile a horse's body and health is, and their feed requirements? More expensive to keep than they're worth.

We again, don't have much data on boating in the Americas due to the utter destruction of all fucking records, but we do know that the Polynesian peoples reached South America and intermarried with folks there centuries before the Spaniards showed up, and unless we're meant to believe they just abandoned all naval traditions when they got there, that means their knowledge (including navigational techniques far superior to the shit Europe was doing at the time) would have joined the Andean cultures.

As to China, frankly I see China as an over-rated civilisation, only borne out by a) sheer population numbers, b) managing to assimilate it's conquerors pretty frequently and c) not having all it's records destroyed by conquerors, leading to a deceptively 'long' history compared to other groups. (By which I mean people rate China higher not because of what was, but because more records of what was survived than say, Mesopotomia, India, the Andean civilisations (which started about the same time as ancient China).

Also, the feat of domesticating the potato is just objectively more impressive than domesticating rice. Potatos started off as literally poisonous unless you chase it with clay/charcoal and were rendered more edible through a logical process of deliberate breeding for desired results across centuries. And they did this to a poisonous root, seemingly only because of how well it grew.
 
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Lucaino's most notable Legal contribution, was his submission to the Senate's authority to Tax his lands, and his personal holdings, setting the precedent for the King to be subject to the Senate's authority for Taxation.

But they make shit loads of money from their buissnesses. which are not subject to taxes. :V
Uhm what? We literally let them tax us though. And while some of our descendants certainly tried, the obviously failed since they kept trying.
 
Uhm what? We literally let them tax us though. And while some of our descendants certainly tried, the obviously failed since they kept trying.
that was meant to be a joke that I did not compleate, hence :V

I was adding something to it, but I just failed to put it there.
 
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well the thing is, it was a long time coming.

and its not like the Grazini family was really doing anything.

But they make shit loads of money from their buissnesses. which are not subject to taxes. :V

The above is a joke.
Personal holdings could be applied or expanded to businesses. Outright stripping of the right to profit from profitable ventures discourages them from investing in the economy. It's very poorly handled. They have a right to not being dependents of the state. Especially when several of those businesses are liable to expand beyond italy's borders in the modern day.
 
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Personal holdings could be applied or expanded to businesses. Outright stripping of the right to profit from profitable ventures discourages them from investing in the economy. It's very poorly handled.
which is why the next story here... in this timeline... If i want to.

Is about the coming royalist backlash that will be coming.

and how that will lead to World War one.
 
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which is why the next story here... in this timeline... If i want to.

Is about the coming royalist backlash that will be coming.

and how that will lead to World War one.
Ahh. Excellent. We can enjoy a dramatic story of legislative over reach to take more money than they could ever tax from royals kicking off a war, ending centuries of productive Constitutional monarchy in favor of full monarchy. I love a good story about a bunch of people getting greedy and suffering for it.
 
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