A Game of Crowns (Mafia)

Nictis · Oct 27, 2019

mesonoxian said:
@Nictis I'd still be interested in hearing your grounds for townreading 1K and Bamn

Alright, so some of this I'll probably be able to quote and point at as good, a lot of it is going to be meta (1K) or general stuff that I can't really point at. It'd be easier to point out the issues in the suspicions lined against them (I've done so before) but, while it is probably a part of my Townread, it's not reason on its own to give them a Townread. (Preview Edit: Yeah, I looked at 1K's post count and decided not to bother quoting stuff. I have work tomorrow, and that is not a good plan)

To talk about 1K.

1KBestK said:
First

~~1K's introduction is the scummiest thing I've ever seen, holy hell, how did I miss this? Omigod, lynch 1K~~ ~~right now!~~

1KBestK said:
Yeah, my play throws people off because I'm completely unorganized and often have no clue what I'm doing. I've struggled with engagement in a lot of my games, and typically will post about things I feel strongly about rather than actually following an agenda. This kinda throws people off because they try and figure out if it's genuine or staged. Plus, I often end up bandwagoning and not participating much for stretches, which adds to the suspicion. This is my ninth game of Mafia, and I haven't been scum yet. I've kinda been wearing my heart on my sleeve because of that. Leaves a lot to read into.

1K's actual introduction is pretty accurate, and if you decide to try and hold this up to her future posts you'll find that it's all matched up. I know it isn't particularly helpful when I say this, but 1K has been acting like she always does, and she's always been Town. Does that mean I'm 100% certain she is Town? Not really, since I've never seen her as Scum it is possible that she is really good at mimicking her Town activity... but I doubt it. I'd say that, despite Evenstar being GM confirmed as Town, 1K is probably my strongest Townread. She's been consistent both in this game and to her past game behavior, from trying to defend the new players to her irritation at Eva's bullshit it's all very familiar. Her setup speculation has been remarkably on point with a natural progression that I can't think of as faked. The emotional responses (Not that I should really talk about that, since I know how easy it is to use AtE as scum) have been legitimate, and while the fluff rational has been nearly having me laughing at how much it stretches things it is consistent to her previous activity and logical... From a certain point of view.

I can't really point at any specific points in 1K's stuff that makes me say she's Town, but none of it makes me think that she's Scum. The points against her so far have been... Bad. That's all I'll say on it right now.

Now to talk about Ban, since his introduction doesn't really have any significance or value in showcasing a point, have a picture of Ban to show it's the Ban section.

Ban is a lot less of a Townread than 1K, it's more that I don't really feel like lynching Ban over the reasons that others have said for it so far? There's not a whole lot from Ban that makes me suspicious and honestly the reason that people are considering lynching him has me more sympathetic than suspicious. I probably shouldn't have put him in the 'Will not lynch' section, but I just don't really want to and there are others that I would be more than happy to lynch instead. Beyond that... I stand by my previous statements on Ban.

Nictis said:
Responsive, moderately active, but it's a lot of the same over and over. It's understandable, but it's not quite enough for a slight Town read on it's own, and the only thing keeping it from a slight scum read is the acknowledgment that his read of DG is tainted, because claiming that DG has not had activity is an interesting point in my eyes. So null to slight scum.

Nictis said:
Ban: Comi might have a point, but personally Ban's suspicion of me and Evenstar felt natural to me. Well, understandable. My biggest issue is his support for a DG lynch.

And adding DG to this because what the hell, why not?

To preface, DG is comparable to Happerry for post count, but has more content than Happerry does.

DimensionalGuy said:
Wew, reading through the thread always leaves me completely overwhelmed. I never really have an idea of whats important to focus on, and whats just meaningless. Even worse because of it being day 1. So I guess I
ll just start of with answering these questions.

1) Nope. In fact, my skills at reading people are considered (by me) to be abyssmal. I don't know if thats underselling me, but the only time I actually managed to do something was the first(?) archdemon game, with Nictis as scum, and that was full of bad decisions from my part.
2) Nictis, without a doubt. I'm always inclined to view him as scum. I could probably be in a mason with him, with him being proven town, and still somehow suspect him. It's completely paranoid.
3) Nictis, Absum, Nanimani and Look to the Left are the first names to come to mind, I suppose.

Gonna try to read through the thread again, maybe find something to actually latch onto.

He starts off with a bit of a late introduction, responds to Rosen seeming rather honest from past games, and says that he's going to go read again for something interesting to grab. As an introduction, this is a strong one for me. Feels a lot better than 'I'm Town but was named like scum.'

This is followed up by consistently honest commentary, reads and thoughts throughout Day 1. On Day 2, he attempts to interact with a silent push against him and has a very Townie thought process on why it would be there, and attempting info control. There's not much to look at, but it all looks good and he ends up voting Left (Brotherhood) over Evenstar. First vote on an inactive scum over a very active town vet. Day three is the final stage of his read on Eva, which has been devolving but has consistently been less than stellar, and then he bluescreens.

There's not a lot of posts, but there's content and thought behind most of them, and an honesty that tells me that DG is Town. I could be wrong, but quite frankly if I wasn't told by the GM that Evenstar was Town DG would be my second highest Townread, after 1K.

mesonoxian · Oct 28, 2019

So what I'm hearing is we need to lynch Est.

Nictis · Oct 28, 2019

mesonoxian said:
So what I'm hearing is we need to lynch Est.

Probably, yeah. The reasoning is a bit flimsy here, but a top poster this far into the game that has managed to leave no impression on anyone at all needs some serious pressure. I'll probably be reading through their posts (and checking for a certain interaction I think I remember someone else having with them) at some point to see if it's changed, but I've already done this several times and I know I'm not the only one who has been struggling to form an opinion on them.

PyrrosWarrior · Oct 28, 2019

PyrrosWarrior said:
Sorry about that. I've been rather busy and offline from SV for the past 24+ hours. That said, my current schedule will not have anything come up to that level of attention for the next 2-3 weeks, so I should now be following along more closely.

Just popped in to say that it has been 2-3 weeks and I've been busy again for the past 3 days. I just finished about an hour ago and I have a raging headache from eye-strain so I'll be going to catch up on my sleep now. I'll read up on the day tomorrow when I wake up and present my readings and arguments that I saw when I was going through everyone's posts.

Just wanted to give an explanation for why I missed these first few hours. Goodnight.

DimensionalGuy · Oct 28, 2019

Alright, a new day, a fully rested brain! Time to contribute the only way I know, by doing an ISO. (That's the term, right? I've still to check the terminology page, but I do remeber it being called that earlier in the thread.) But before that, I feel that I should say that currently, I have nothing against lynching Est today. Some slight reservasions towards lynching Comiturtle, but I am still a bit suspicious of them. Could probably be easily convinced to vote for them.

Either way, gonna get to reading now.

DimensionalGuy · Oct 28, 2019

Alright, let's start with PyrrosWarrior. Let me just state for clarity, that I'm not doing this because of suspicions, but only because I haven't gotten any reads from them yet. That's mostly on me, to be honest. I tend to just skim through this thread sometimes, and it's not uncommon for me to miss or forget these things.

Anyways, let's start with day 1.

PyrrosWarrior said:
Good day everyone. I have awoken, and my Internet has finally come back on from that brief lull it had!

1) Not really. Most of my reads end up wrong because I just plainly don't have an understanding of what people are until later in the game when I have more info about game composition. I also dislike reading based on traditional "cues" as a whole.
2) Within this game, probably Evenstar. I've only had one game with them and they played rather aggressively - something I've only seen of Nictis and scum in the past - despite being Town. Therefore, I really don't know what to expect of them.

Starting with -Rosens questions. Notably skips the third question, but I won't hold that against them.

PyrrosWarrior said:
The last game has taught me to reeeeally claims that you guys call "wine" (thanks for telling what that means by the way) because I am fairly certain at least one of them has to be true or telling of important info statistically but I don't have a reason to suspect specific people and it's just making me paranoid. I'd much rather go back to my pre-Dragon Mafia days wherein I dismissed Day 1 as pretty pointless.

I sympathize with this, so much.

PyrrosWarrior said:
Sorry about that. I've been rather busy and offline from SV for the past 24+ hours. That said, my current schedule will not have anything come up to that level of attention for the next 2-3 weeks, so I should now be following along more closely.

Explanation for the low amount of posts so far, not that I should be one to talk about that though.

PyrrosWarrior said:
It technically could help in the long-road of looking back during a MYLO situation since whomever is scum would be likely to fill their list with at least one scumbuddy along some innocents (assuming we don't somehow end up in a town wipe-out situation). That said, the negatives of spreading paranoia among town, not really adding anything to the general discourse in the immediate future, and potentially stirring chaos in the immediate discourse makes it overall a very bad play in my eyes. It is also a very odd play to make as one of your* first "major" posts in the discourse.

*I am using "your" in a general sense, not accusing you specifically of posting those meso

By the tally, Rosen is currently "winning" the vote with 1k in second. Lynching any of the newbies doesn't really have a great following at the moment when you take into account the general attitude pushed towards each newbie with a vote against them.

Response to the -Rosen discussion, as well as 1KbestK's "Lynching newbies game" post. Not really sure how to read it, so I'm mainly quoting just to quote. Might've some importance that I simply can't see.

PyrrosWarrior said:
I was just pointing out that by all accounts, there isn't a great movement to lynch the newbies going on, so there isn't anything to point out.

I do like this post though. I have nothing against 1KbestK's original post, as they explained their thoughts about it well enough to me, but I still like this.

PyrrosWarrior said:
My main thoughts of this idea are that, unless more info is revealed, what little we know of the lore setup doesn't seem ideal for a Survivor. The D1 and OP posts give an implication of this being Merovin townies vs. Invading Force scum (including at least one Godfather due to there being a traitor or traitors whom opened the gates) with a possibility, if Lost felt it would be mechanically balanced, for an SK.

Survivors, as we know them in Mafia narrative, are more generally some type of third party simply caught up in the chaos between the main two factions of Mafia and Town. The two presumed factions here, however, are too encompassing for any potential "Survivor" lore-wise to not simply be Town. Therefore, I don't believe there to be any Survivors unless future information proves me wrong, or at least casts doubt on that belief.

About TurtleDucks odd comments, and the possibility of it being a survivor. I don't get much of a read from this.

PyrrosWarrior said:
It is correct in the sense of how Rosen put it; that being that you probably shouldn't, barring the establishment of absolute binary conditions to ensure information accuracy, lynch purely for the sense of gaining information without letting the establishment of suspicion influence who you vote for. Lynches can and generally are informative, however, as it gives Town a lot to look back on generally, unless it is an inactivity lynch because someone was pushing the "they're lurking" card.

About Information lynches. This seems more of an informational post. NAI.

PyrrosWarrior said:
@TurtleDucks @BanTheFairyKing You two last voted 2+ days ago, with not really saying anything much since. Do you guys happen to have anything new to say after seeing the discussions going on? Furthermore, TurtleDucks, you really should say more in your defense here. It really isn't the best look to drop off the face of the Earth without a good explanation, and "don't lynch newbies" will only carry you so far.

Inactivity prodding. I like it. It's easily earned freebie points, but I still like when it's posted. Probably NAI in reality though.

Anyway, that's day 1. While amount of posts increased later on in the day, I can't form a real read yet. Some information posts and other NAI things. I did like a bit on a personal level, so that swings it a bit up on the townie-meter, even if that's more feeling than reasoning. Oh well, onwards to day 2.

PyrrosWarrior said:
I'd say "almost nothing of substance" is a bit much. I've been rather quiet this game, but I would like to think that what I have posted is generally substantial.

As for reads, nothing solid to say at the moment. I tend to get general "this tone feels off and I am going to be paying extra attention to them" but very rarely do I look at a post and say "this one post is a dead-ringer so they are definitely mafia/SK/etc" this early in the game.

I suppose what's substancial is also subjective. I can't really comment on this, except that I sympathize with the second part of the post.

PyrrosWarrior said:
If you are having that much trouble, perhaps you should simply ask 1K to focus on someone who tipped you off during their upcoming ISO's? That would at least be something that could help you form opinions to talk about.

PyrrosWarrior said:
They are looking back at various players past posts. They asked if we other players have any specific people to look on, since archive-diving can take a while without any priorities.

PyrrosWarrior said:
For future reference, here is the updated glossary of terms. You can also look at the Mafiascum wiki as well for some terms as I have in the past, but I believe this glossary contains all commonly used roles and terms around here.

Information posts, with some advice to LttL. Although Information posts are generally NAI.

PyrrosWarrior said:
No, the first is a Trouble in Terrorist Town GMod roles and I've only heard of Interrogater in shooters that aren't like Mafia. TTT is a game that basically plays out as "Mafia the Shooter." The standard roles are "Innocent" Terrorists, an "Innocent" Detective Terrorist, and one or more Traitors who know each other. The expanded pack of TTT has Assassin (A traitor who gets double damage on their target and half on others), Glitch (an innocent role that appears Traitor to the traitors but cannot see traitors themselves), Killer ( third party has extra health and can access both the Detective and Traitor buy-screens), Zombie (traitor who cults the innocent into more Zombies), Swapper (Third party who switches roles with person who killed them and automatically kills the person who killed them instead), Jester (Third party whose goal is to die to win), Mercenary (innocent role whom can access the Detective and Traitor buy-screen), and Phantom (innocent who is revived when the person who killed them dies. They can be revived multiple times in one game).

An interrogator as I know it from games is someone whose kill "interrogates" the information on the opposing team from their victim.

Informational post. NAI.
A response to Absum looking for reads from them, quoting their earlier post about not having any solid reads. I don't particularily like this one.

PyrrosWarrior said:
It is, however, my answer to your questioning for reads. There is very little point in saying "this guy feels vaguely suspicious" without having a logical foundation and argument prepared for why that person is suspicious. All that does is open up to suspicion, paranoia, and false reads on either the people I find merely weird or on myself for seemingly appearing to paint people as scum without a solid foundation for it. It's as I think either Nictis or TPK told me a while ago: there really isn't a use for mere "feeling" like someone is scum or not if you aren't ready to actually be able to offer a case for why they are suspicious. So no, I don't consider myself to have any reads. By your guys's general definition, I would have reads that are "lightly town" or "lightly scum" or "blank," but there is no point in saying things that can so easily shift on the drop of a dime. Those types of so-called "reads" are effectively pointless, especially when we still don't have enough variety of night and day action to give them a sliver of worth.

I believe you are probably thinking of how last game, I said to someone that I have tried posting only when I have something to say of substance, since I don't like adding mere fluff to the chat. Heck, one of Evenstar's comments reprimanding me for supposedly finding people scummy yet refusing to say why has only reinforced my desire to not give any feelings on anyone until I have a full argument to provide. Evenstar didn't even bother to ever ask me about anything at that point, and I wasn't exactly deflecting or saying I had found anyone "scummy" at that point in the game. I had merely said I found some of the SB players a bit weird because they were posting slightly differently, not that I actually found any specific thing they said to tip me off nor had their behavior at that point rung any alarm bells to me.

I do disagree with this. Giving your feelings can be usefull, in my opinion. It's better than nothing, so to say. This is merely a disagreement of opinion. NAI in my eyes. Don't really know what to make of the second part.

PyrrosWarrior said:
Now, to make myself productive, I

Actually I misremembered that one a bit. Broken Base said that, not Evenstar.

That said, I would appreciate that we drop this. I would rather not make drama where there need be any. I was just trying to use that as an example for what seemed to be the behaviors expected of me when playing Mafia: that being not to generally give opinions on things unless they are strong and worthwhile. It doesn't really bother me now that that is far in the past.

NAI

PyrrosWarrior said:
This part didn't save the whole thing. What I was saying is that to make myself productive, I am willing to do an archive-dive on people if anyone wishes for that.

I'll keep this in mind.

PyrrosWarrior said:
No info on TD as they wouldn't say anything, Est has been one of the two I have been trying to follow closely but they won't say enough substantial for me gain a solid opinion on, and Meso has said enough but none of what he has said has made me put him in either category.

No real opinions presented, but I'd agree on the TD and Est comments. Probably gonna ISO Meso later on, as I don't have a good read on them yet as well.

PyrrosWarrior said:
I'm going to be completely honest and public here to everyone reading this. My role has given me zero lore information about what is going on so any structural guesses I have about the game have been completely based on the OP and day posts. As a result, a lot of your posts intrigue me because they signal you as likely a high information player and therefore possibly trustworthy, but I don't have enough information to tell whether or not you are missing information as scum and casting blame on someone else as missing information (basically kinda what you are accusing Absum of), or if what you are saying does indeed signal your town-ness as you are trying to show and use push with the Absum and TD situation.

I am also of the mind that the investigatory roles of Town should keep a close eye on the flavor text describing the kill.
It will probably come in handy if your roles mention what the person you are spying on looks like, since it'd have to be someone that would be prone to absolutely brutalizing rather than a mere assassin. I also find it likely they have more than one type of kill both based on the fact that this was very clearly not an assassin's blow, and from how mafia usually has multiple kill types.

If we are watching out for assassins, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a Ninja or Poisoner as their actual "Assassin" character in lore.

I like this. Reminder to keep the flavor in mind. I need to interalize that myself, actually. I tend to just ignore flavor, dismissing it.

PyrrosWarrior said:
I didn't say anything about strongman though? All I said is that it would be someone who probably looks like they would brutalize another i.e. someone that would look thuggish or incredibly bulky (and possibly carrying blunt weapons as opposed to sharp weapons).

You did say something about multiple kill types, so it's natural to think strongman. Either way, NAI to me.

PyrrosWarrior said:
So does anyone want me to do an analysis of another player or have any more questions towards me?

Did no one take PyrrosWarrior up on their offer? If someone did, I'd appreciate a mention of that.

PyrrosWarrior said:
So the people whom haven't voted are myself, @Look to the Left, @ComiTurtle, @1KBestK, and @Happery

Do any of you have anything to say as the day comes to a close?

I for one believe this is a similar situation to yesterday, wherein we are highly likely to be lynching Town right now but I know no better alternative at this moment, especially since Look to the Left has appeared here in the final hours yet didn't offer even a small bit of logic to deter people from lynching them.

Thankfully, I do at least have two small smidgums to follow into tomorrow now so this day has at least proved somewhat helpful on an information-gathering level.

I'll keep the second part in mind. Interestingly didn't vote as they thought the ones up for votes were town. Now, even if LttL was scum, I don't think that that implicates PyrrosWarrior. It was an inactivity lynch, there was nothing that really pointed to LttL being scum (At least, not anything that I found).

Anyway, that was day 2. Nothing much to comment on, a bunch of NAI. There was a bit of drama in the middle of the day that I left out, as that seemed very NAI to me as well. There isn't much information to gather regarding thoughts about other players at this stage, unfortunately.
Off to day 3.

PyrrosWarrior said:
Well there goes one of my two people to follow -_-

Anyhow, "Captain of the Guard" makes me think they might have either been the Cop or the Jailer. Those are the actions that seem like would be in their jurisdiction.

We also seem to have some kind of RB sorcerer or magician on either Town or Scum side, though the role usually is more a Mafia role than a Town role. Evenstar's N2 claims of magic vines add up with Nani's N1 claims of magic vines.

Finally, I still find myself rather skeptical of Comi's Survivor claim, though I am not sure if I am skeptical enough to pursue back a lynch yet. I will have to think more heavily on that.

Alright, some speculation on roles, this I don't think that much of, but I really like the last part, some reads and opinions are appreciated.

PyrrosWarrior said:
Updated player list. These are my edits, since the player list hasn't been updated by the QM.

Nice post, but ultimately NAI.

PyrrosWarrior said:
My thoughts for why they could be Jailer or Cop were focused on the authority of the captain. The captain would have the authority to order someone to be detained overnight as Jailer, whilst he would be in a high enough position to recognize various people if he were Cop. I dismissed him being a non-Jailer protective role because that would more typically be the role of the captain's underlings. If we have someone who is a regular guard in lore, I'd expect them to be either a Bodyguard or Veteran in role rather than the captain, though more likely Bodyguard than Veteran if the scum actually are as few in number as has been hypothesized from total player numbers.

Don't really know what to make of this. I'd like to say NAI, but my gut is telling me to read further into it. Either way, I've no clue to their night power, so in the end probably meaningless?

PyrrosWarrior said:
I don't believe we have an SK. We have either a single overlapping faction of invaders as scum with the Brotherhood being their allies or mercenaries (thus being under one faction), or the Brotherhood and the invaders are two separate small scum factions with the Brotherhood being something related to an internal powergrab with the death of the king. My money is on one large faction with the Brotherhood aligning with the invaders.

If they are one large faction, however, that does beg the question why they weren't simply named after Reim i.e. the name of the invaders according to the OP. Thus, I am not completely convinced for certain that they are one large faction even if I am currently leaning in that direction.

Either way, I don't believe there are SKs this time around. They neither fit what we do know so far, nor do they fit the existence of the Bloodletter Brotherhood as a faction. Likewise, I don't believe there to be third-party Survivors either and therefore must assume that Comi is non-SK scum.

Someone could probably take something from this and formulate a theory. That someone isn't me though.

PyrrosWarrior said:
*Oh yeah, I forgot to say that the lack of two kills on either N1 or N2 also calls into question the potential of two scum factions or an SK for me, as we know that Nani was targeted by an RB N1 and Evenstar claims it N2 so they wouldn't have been roleblocked N1 as an explanation for their lack of kills, and scum factions don't typically give up a night unless their actions are limited. There also isn't typically multiple roleblockers as far as I know so that is unlikely to be an explanation.

The lack of two kills night 1 and 2 is notable, this is an observasion I agree with. I don't really know what to make of it, though.

PyrrosWarrior said:
Yep. Definitely lying. I know for a fact that not every citizen of Merovin has to be a knight or someone important, because I am an ordinary citizen without reason to stay aligned to the kingdom other than living here like you claim to be yet I am not a Survivor.

[X] Lynch ComiTurtle

The thing is though, whether they are from Reim or not doesn't really change my calculations. Either they are one large scum faction, or they are two smaller ones. Scum is scum, and therefore a threat to the kingdom.

I like this very much. This screams town to me, so much as to blow away any earlier doubt I might've had.

PyrrosWarrior said:
It's intentional. They are likely going to try to push some of their reads, since they manually typed in beginning and end post points.

Informational Post. NAI.
Got a long one coming up, so I'll break it down in a spoiler.

PyrrosWarrior said:
Because there likely being some kind of VIP involved has been pushed since Day 1 and the fact that it is called the "Hidden Crown" protocal already adds to that. There is nothing to talk about dude, hence why we were talking instead about how the Bloodletters faction revealed last Day fit with the invaders being a faction (or not being a faction as 1k suggested). Don't be obnoxious about this please.

Even on the possibility that you and Evenstar are both scum and therefore lying about the win condition to mislead everyone, it's not like my own win condition is incompatible with the thought of protecting a specific player anyhow since they still lead to the same outcome. Bickering over the goal in my position is rather pointless

First part, and a response to Nictis. I actually don't have much to say about this. I suppose I agree a little bit?

PyrrosWarrior said:
No we didn't. You told me your thoughts, and I gave a reply that you and everybody but Comi ignored. Furthermore, it wasn't just based on fluff if you had been following the conversation. I had been objecting to Survivors as a possible role in multiple angles the whole Day.

I must've missed the multiple angles somehow. Either way, I do think you can use fluff to reason in this position. If PyrrosWarrior is in a similar position, that being a worker with no direct allegieance to the crown, yet still be a member of town, then it seems off that another in the same position is a survivor, with the only real difference being that the survivor makes armor instead of, say, farming.

PyrrosWarrior said:
It's basically an affirmation of what I said in Day 2 in the before-mentioned reply to you anyways, so it's not like I am particularly revealing anything new. I saw something suspicious, and I took a stab at it. Given my position, it's not like I am useful in any other measure anyhow. I am doing what I can with what I have, and I'd appreciate if you weren't so hostile about it.

Can't recall the reply at the moment. Either way, I appreciate any and all ways to be usefull.

PyrrosWarrior said:
As for the lynches going on, with Nictis I feel he is either an important Town PR like he claims or absolute scum. That whole "king's name" thing says as much about it (assuming he wasn't just making up info). I don't feel there is enough reason to suspect him as lying or misleading at the moment, so I will absolutely not back a lynch this early in case he actually does turn out to be Town because then Town would lose a leading voice. I don't like how he was so quick to go from being the only person voting Comi to switching as soon as the possibility for the Comi lynch to gain momentum opens up though. It could be opportunistic depending on how the rest of the game rolls out from here on out. In summary, he is someone to keep an eye on.

I guess I share the opinions on Nictis, but strongly leaning towards them being town. The possibility that both Nictis and Evenstar are scum shouldn't be completely dismissed, but it's notsomething that I believe.

PyrrosWarrior said:
Comi is the safe lynch due to his lies, but the direction he is taking feels odd. I am still not going to take my lynch off him right now though unless there proves to (somehow) be a safer lynch or he pulls off a miracle and makes me trust him, but I could at least entirely see a possibility of him being a Townie who tried to pull off a stupidly hair-brained scheme and failed even though said scheme appears completely nonsensical to me.

I as well feel that Comi is suspicious, but the possibility of them being town shouldn't be dismissed as well.

PyrrosWarrior said:
Absum feels like it is turning into a greater part of the Nictis vs. Absum debate, and I am really uncertain as to whether either of them makes for a good lynch at the moment. I feel like Nictis keeps pushing this based on information he claims to have; but since I don't have any of that information, I don't particularly know what is so convincing about it.

I never saw Absum as scum. Maybe that's because I just didn't read their posts carefully enough, but the Nictis vs Absum always seemed like town vs town. Either way, good enough, I guess.

PyrrosWarrior said:
I do want to hear more from @BanTheFairyKing though since he's been lurking despite being logged on to post at least something.

I'm always a fan of inactivity prodding.

PyrrosWarrior said:
That does remind me. I forgot to go back to Ban's answer

I was referring to your general acting throughout Day 3 and Day 2, not just while the Comi thing has been going on. Mind you, you have been a bit busy so it's understandable that you won't appear often, but I am not content to let you slip under the radar after you were scum last game without me detecting it. Therefore, I want you to tell me more of your thoughts over this game and the various people beyond merely the lynches going on.

This is good? Maybe? I mean, opinions and reads are (in my opinion) the bread and butter. Asking for more is good.

PyrrosWarrior said:
...Well then. 0_o

I don't really know what to say about this, especially since there was only one vote on Evenstar. Are you okay man? Do you need to take a break or something? Even if you are assured that this claim has nothing to do with remaining scum goals, this still seems like an irrational move if true.

The reaction to the Nictis reveal. Yeah, nothing to say here, really.

PyrrosWarrior said:
I'd say Est for a priority. Despite having a reasonable post count at 70+, I still can't seem to get any kind of feel for them.

PyrrosWarrior said:
I know they've come back NAI, which is the problem. I've tried reading their posts as well, and it's a mixture of non-substance and things that don't really tell me anything about EST. I was asking him to go over Est because I haven't been able to get anything about him and I was hoping maybe someone else would notice something I haven't.

A sentiment shared by me.

PyrrosWarrior said:
I haven't quite decided on whom I believe we should begin looking at as potential scum, so I will simply add to the Absum vote. No need to risk a last-minute tie. I will be here for these last two hours of live if anyone has anything to talk about, or wants me to look over someone's posts either before the day ends or while the Night is ongoing.

[X] Lynch Absum

I really didn't like the Absum vote, and I didn't like this post.

PyrrosWarrior said:
This is rather unfortunate. Of the two, Absum gives a more town read going through their posts than Happery (who is null), but with Comi's vote I can no longer switch to Happery without causing a tie.

At least they recognized that voting Absum wasn't the best vote.

PyrrosWarrior said:
[X] Null
[X] Lynch Happerry

Considering I am neither that highly rating either you or meso at the moment, your sudden support is making me feel like I am making yet another mistake.

Changing the vote once it's safe to do so.

PyrrosWarrior said:
If Nictis and Evenstar are what they claim to be, lynching the potential doctor is stupid.
If they are not what they claim to be and this is one large gambit, their advice will lead us astray.

Day 3 done. Came away from this day with some good thoughts about PyrrosWarrior. I'd probablt say that they are... slightly town in my eyes. Looking good, but not immune if new evidence pops up.
Now, just to check the rest of the posts today, just because.

PyrrosWarrior said:
Just popped in to say that it has been 2-3 weeks and I've been busy again for the past 3 days. I just finished about an hour ago and I have a raging headache from eye-strain so I'll be going to catch up on my sleep now. I'll read up on the day tomorrow when I wake up and present my readings and arguments that I saw when I was going through everyone's posts.

Just wanted to give an explanation for why I missed these first few hours. Goodnight.

That was fast. Either way, earlier opinion still holds. Leaning slight town for PyrrosWarrior for now. Gonna try to do 1 more of these at least, probably on Ban.

Cyricubed · Oct 28, 2019

Nictis said:
Ban is a lot less of a Townread than 1K, it's more that I don't really feel like lynching Ban over the reasons that others have said for it so far? There's not a whole lot from Ban that makes me suspicious and honestly the reason that people are considering lynching him has me more sympathetic than suspicious

Fair bit of talk today and the points atm is developing an open town core (makes me naturally sus but given the appearant nature of this game I can dismiss this). Nictis's above point is where I've aligned with so far regarding ban. There isn't enough to justify a hard scumread and lynch.
Right now I'd go
1. Est(lack of real stance and position. Long term scum distancing maybe? I'll need to go over them but I've constantly forgotten them
2. Comi(Claim alone is strange given VIP game and we have protectives. The suggestion of a mass claim doesnt help.)
3. Pyro(not sure here but I need more on Pyro)
4. Ban(Lowest town read atm.)

Ughh...waking up to a half written post and headaches aren't ideal.

Cyricubed · Oct 28, 2019

Oh right,

[X] Lynch Est

Talk to ys @Est

Albany · Oct 28, 2019

Alright, time to post... if I had any idea what to post. Nictis has a good point in that I'm kinda just repeating the same things over and over, so let's try something new... or kinda new at least?

mesonoxian - -Rosen, Look to the Left, Happerry
Cyricubed - ComiTurtle, Absum, Absum
PyrrosWarrior - -Rosen, Nothing, Happerry
Est - BanTheFairyKing, BanTheFairyKing, Nothing
InterstellarHobo - -Rosen, Look to the Left, Happerry
1KBestK - DimensionalGuy, Nothing, Absum
ComiTurtle - Cyricubed, Nothing, Absum
Nictis - -Rosen, Look to the Left, Happerry
DimensionalGuy - -Rosen, Look to the Left, Happerry
BanTheFairyKing - Evenstar, Evenstar, Happerry
Evenstar - -Rosen, Nanimari, Absum

This is what I know, according to the tally function. So far, everyone has voted at least one person who I know is Green. No one has voted for someone while it was public knowledge they were green, though that might be obvious. Mesonoxian, Interstellar, Nictis, and DimensionGuy have consistently voted together - the only people to vote entirely the same - and have always been on the winning lynch, possibly because they're a block. Meso, Interstellar, Nictis, and Dimension are the only ones to have voted up scum. Pyrros, Est, 1k, and Comi have all ended the day not having voted.

Looking at this, I'm pretty sure there's at least one scum in Meso, Interstellar, and DG. I'm also pretty sure that if there is scum in this, they aren't on the same team as LttL.

There! A new idea! ~~Take that world!~~

Albany · Oct 28, 2019

And yeah I might be biased, but I'm behind an Est lynch (or at least an Est pressure since we don't have hammer).

[X] Lynch Est

Albany · Oct 28, 2019

Inserted tally

Adhoc vote count started by BanTheFairyKing on Oct 28, 2019 at 9:39 AM, finished with 624 posts and 15 votes.

6 people have voted
[X] Lynch -Rosen
2 people have voted
[x] Null
- Absum
- CTRosen
2 people have voted
[X] Lynch Turtleducks
- Cyricubed
- Happerry
1 people have voted
[X] Lynch Cyricubed
- TurtleDucks
1 people have voted
[X] Lynch Evenstar
- Albany
1 people have voted
[X] Lynch Est
- Nanimani
1 people have voted
[x] Lynch DimensionalGuy
- 1KBestK
1 people have voted
[x] Lynch BanTheFairyKing
- Est

Albany · Oct 28, 2019

Inserted tally

Adhoc vote count started by BanTheFairyKing on Oct 28, 2019 at 9:39 AM, finished with 277 posts and 11 votes.

5 people have voted
[X] Lynch Look To The Left
2 people have voted
[X] Lynch Nanimani
- Absum
- Evenstar
2 people have voted
[X] Null
- 1KBestK
- Nictis
1 people have voted
[x] Lynch BanTheFairyKing
- Est
1 people have voted
[X] Lynch Evenstar
- Albany
1 people have voted
[X] Lynch Absum
- Cyricubed

Albany · Oct 28, 2019

Inserted tally

Adhoc vote count started by BanTheFairyKing on Oct 28, 2019 at 9:40 AM, finished with 407 posts and 11 votes.

7 people have voted
[X] Lynch Happerry
4 people have voted
[X] Lynch Absum
- Cyricubed
- Evenstar
- 1KBestK
- ComiTurtle
3 people have voted
[X] Null

Albany · Oct 28, 2019

These are the three tallies I'm working off btw, so y'all can peruse easily for yourself

InterstellarHobo · Oct 28, 2019

I should clarify- my D1 vote was supposed to be to lynch Evenstar, since I wasn't aware [] Evenstar would follow their vote.
It didn't really make a difference one way or the other, but it is what it is.

[X] Lynch Est

Cyricubed · Oct 28, 2019

Wait Ban did you vote entirely on vote history for EoD or did you consider reasonings behind each of those votes/non-votes? I'm very curious here.

Albany · Oct 28, 2019

Cyricubed said:
Wait Ban did you vote entirely on vote history for EoD or did you consider reasonings behind each of those votes/non-votes? I'm very curious here.

My EoD analysis and my vote are... Honestly not really related? I want to pressure Est into talking, which was amplified by them not voting last EoD, but I mainly did the EoD to point out the block that seemed to have formed for future reference.

1KBestK · Oct 28, 2019

According to the discord, Est is looking for a replacement because they're in California and the power is out and the cell service is unreliable. Stay safe @Est.

Cyricubed · Oct 28, 2019

At this stage in the game can we even replace someone in?

Albany · Oct 28, 2019

Cyricubed said:
At this stage in the game can we even replace someone in?

Oshha is on the sub list, so I don't see why not? That does throw things into disarray though, as with intermittent internet posting a lot whenever you can will ramp up your post count, but you won't have time to do any in-depth analysis.

[X] Null

I no longer feel the need to pressure, so nulling the spot.

Nictis · Oct 28, 2019

So the question then is probably if it's worth replacing Est or if the slot is worth lynching regardless? I'm kinda feeling a lynch myself but I suppose that Ossha could make me change my mind on that. Would at least be good for a claim...

Still need to look into others so I guess that means I support a replacement instead of a lynch? Will be doing that either tonight or tomorrow, at work atm and have a friend coming over later.

Cyricubed · Oct 28, 2019

I'd be fine with a replacement as long as due to the replacement we don't completely ignore the slot for lynch potential this day. I hate to say that because it sounds mean to whoever replaces in, but at day 4 I think that's the best way to keep it fair.

1KBestK · Oct 28, 2019

Ossha's said they aren't willing to replace this late into the game (fair enough) and I still think the slot is lynch worthy. I don't really think we're going to get a replacement at this stage. I'm willing to wait a bit, but lynching them seems like a decent plan?

ComiTurtle · Oct 28, 2019

1KBestK said:
Ossha's said they aren't willing to replace this late into the game (fair enough) and I still think the slot is lynch worthy. I don't really think we're going to get a replacement at this stage. I'm willing to wait a bit, but lynching them seems like a decent plan?

Honestly let the slot just die for inactivity and get another lynch, giving up on lynching another slot is just bad and actively anti-town.

ComiTurtle · Oct 28, 2019

We are in a situation where we are looking for one scum role to not lose in the night, so casting the net wider is actively more productive.

And the way that both Ban and Cyric are interacting with the est lynch maintains my suspicions of Ban, and increases my suspicions of Cyric.

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