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Rosen: To preface, there were two early plays that caught my attention from him. One was the attempt at shifting the game into RQS instead of the usual RVS, which doesn't mean much on its own but had me looking for what they would be trying to get from people with it. The other is private, but was the reason for the initial suspicion and much closer observation.
I've already well established that I don't like some of the contradictions in their posting and claimed intentions. Some of it is acknowledged as such (Random has reasons, but Rosen was a hypocrite), and some of it is said to not be contradictions (Two different types of reads). I disagree with that, it just reads as bad backtracking to me, but on review a part of me feels like scum Rosen would have been more consistent. I don't listen to that part anymore, because I refuse to assume that something is too dumb for scum to do or say anymore.
On that note, we have one-to-two soft scum claims. These honestly don't matter much, but Rosen's repeated defense of "I'm not that dumb" and "You'll just have to take my word for it" in response to being accused of something does not help make him look Town to me. The rest of his defenses aren't much better to me. The repeated justifications don't read like Town, they read like someone who cares more about personal survival than results. I don't buy the 'two different kinds of reads' argument, so it just feels like he was folding in the face of pressure rather than being legitimate.
The discrepancies between what Rosen says he's doing, what he claims it will do, and what he says he expects from it don't line up for me. This will help find scum/You don't seriously think that people will use it to find scum. This can help us find teams/Scum are going to use random numbers to throw us off. Random isn't Random/Claims to be using Random. Random isn't Random/Town will use random because they don't care. Random isn't Random/Scum will use Random. (In case you hadn't noticed, the fact that Rosen acknowledged that Random isn't Random and then tried to defend his point by saying that basically everyone would use Random irks me)
Rosen's claimed normal playstyle is not what has been seen, and reeks of Scum from anyone else. It is also their defense of why their defense against accusations is scummy. Meso is suspicious because his arguments (literally) hold no water. I obviously disagree with that, but whatever. The rhetoric is dickish and an OMGUS. Their response to me is the same kind of condescending tone that Scum give when they're pinned for something they were trying to do and want deniability. "No, I'm not so stupid to set up mislynches because scum said some peoples' names at the beginning of the game. Sorry to disappoint you there"
The Meta Argument is... Bad. Rosen is dismissing a large portion of playing Mafia because it's unfavorable. I can't call Meta because I've only seen Rosen in two, oh sorry, one game and my calls are distinctions on how Rosen plays... Which Rosen acknowledges twice as accurate. Meanwhile everyone who was saying that they would be suspicious but decided it was NAI because of the same game are just going off of that game and so it's fine. That's not a good sign, that's just dismissing suspicion. Rosen can get as angry about it as he wants, you can't pick and choose when it applies to you.
Without Meta, Rosen is suspicious and not acting like Town. I'm going to point at Meso for this one, since they're suspecting Rosen for pretty much the same reason (But not 'Reasons') I was just without the Meta context saying that it wasn't normal either. With Meta, Rosen is not acting like Town!Rosen.
... Yeah, pretty sure I'm still going to be voting Rosen on review. This could be a difference of views... Technically, could be. I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Rosen is Scum. I'll place Rosen right above Nani on the Trustable scale, but Rosen is scum.
@Evenstar If we ignore the Turtleducks interactions, what do you think of Absum?
I've already well established that I don't like some of the contradictions in their posting and claimed intentions. Some of it is acknowledged as such (Random has reasons, but Rosen was a hypocrite), and some of it is said to not be contradictions (Two different types of reads). I disagree with that, it just reads as bad backtracking to me, but on review a part of me feels like scum Rosen would have been more consistent. I don't listen to that part anymore, because I refuse to assume that something is too dumb for scum to do or say anymore.
On that note, we have one-to-two soft scum claims. These honestly don't matter much, but Rosen's repeated defense of "I'm not that dumb" and "You'll just have to take my word for it" in response to being accused of something does not help make him look Town to me. The rest of his defenses aren't much better to me. The repeated justifications don't read like Town, they read like someone who cares more about personal survival than results. I don't buy the 'two different kinds of reads' argument, so it just feels like he was folding in the face of pressure rather than being legitimate.
The discrepancies between what Rosen says he's doing, what he claims it will do, and what he says he expects from it don't line up for me. This will help find scum/You don't seriously think that people will use it to find scum. This can help us find teams/Scum are going to use random numbers to throw us off. Random isn't Random/Claims to be using Random. Random isn't Random/Town will use random because they don't care. Random isn't Random/Scum will use Random. (In case you hadn't noticed, the fact that Rosen acknowledged that Random isn't Random and then tried to defend his point by saying that basically everyone would use Random irks me)
Rosen's claimed normal playstyle is not what has been seen, and reeks of Scum from anyone else. It is also their defense of why their defense against accusations is scummy. Meso is suspicious because his arguments (literally) hold no water. I obviously disagree with that, but whatever. The rhetoric is dickish and an OMGUS. Their response to me is the same kind of condescending tone that Scum give when they're pinned for something they were trying to do and want deniability. "No, I'm not so stupid to set up mislynches because scum said some peoples' names at the beginning of the game. Sorry to disappoint you there"
The Meta Argument is... Bad. Rosen is dismissing a large portion of playing Mafia because it's unfavorable. I can't call Meta because I've only seen Rosen in two, oh sorry, one game and my calls are distinctions on how Rosen plays... Which Rosen acknowledges twice as accurate. Meanwhile everyone who was saying that they would be suspicious but decided it was NAI because of the same game are just going off of that game and so it's fine. That's not a good sign, that's just dismissing suspicion. Rosen can get as angry about it as he wants, you can't pick and choose when it applies to you.
Without Meta, Rosen is suspicious and not acting like Town. I'm going to point at Meso for this one, since they're suspecting Rosen for pretty much the same reason (But not 'Reasons') I was just without the Meta context saying that it wasn't normal either. With Meta, Rosen is not acting like Town!Rosen.
... Yeah, pretty sure I'm still going to be voting Rosen on review. This could be a difference of views... Technically, could be. I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Rosen is Scum. I'll place Rosen right above Nani on the Trustable scale, but Rosen is scum.
@Evenstar If we ignore the Turtleducks interactions, what do you think of Absum?
" charade, but it does feel like a natural progression and I've liked most of his interactions so far, if only there was more there for me to look at.