May or may not have more to say in another post, but I wanted to get these out of the way first.
-Rosen - Doing weird stuff as usual. I agree that they're somewhat sus, but the arguments Nictis lays out don't convince me, so unless I get a better grip on what they're doing/trying to do, they're probably staying in my null category. One thing I've noted is that they seem to be pretty deliberate and careful with their posting even when not scum, so I'm worried I'm missing the reasoning.
If there's anything you should know about me, it's that I am absolutely not deliberate and careful when I play, regardless of alignment. I tend to make stupid mistakes all the time for no apparent reason.
This whole thing is still rubbing me wrong. I know a bunch of folks have said this is just how -Rosen plays, but it still seems sketchy as all get out. And I have to go with my gut.
I can't defend against gut feelings. Give me more.
If you feel that the method you proposed is more usefull for scum, then why would you propose it? Furthermore, if you did feel that "random" guesses would be usefull for town, then why would you not provide your own, and instead use RNG? It just seems off to me.
The point is that scum might not necessarily think of actually randomizing on the spot like that right away, which is why I didn't actually mention this until it became the main topic of the thread, which was after everyone who could possibly answer was going to answer. What I proposed in early game in the form of RQS does not equate exactly to the deeper purpose that was later explained, as it isn't guaranteed that anyone can see through this purpose before it's explained. This is the exact foundation that this particular RQS is built upon, and when it's out of meta it becomes a quite powerful tool for people who aren't aware of it.
Now, it didn't help that 80% of the responses to it were meme answers, but that's just a flaw in the question as you can't guarantee people will actually answer seriously. It was worth a shot in any case, though.
(Finally actually gets back to working on this post)
Right, so. Last game, me and Rosen were kinda playing around each other and acknowledging night actions and potential plans. I've seen him interacting with me specifically on subtle Town/Town interactions, and I've seen him try to pull responses and reads in order to solidify his own. I'm not seeing that here.
Okay first of all you've seen one highly experimental game of mine so you trying to pull meta argument is just not going to be sound ever. Just wanna get that out of the way first.
Once on Ban, questioning the dynamic between Ban and The Assistant GM. So that's not particularly useful, the only thing relevant to the game is asking if Ban feels confident in reading one specific player for some reason.
I asked about Evenstar because he mentioned Pawn specifically in question 2. Given that those two are always hyping each other up from my experience, I feel it's justified to do so.
No comment on any of the answers, but saying that random guesses aren't actually random. When you assume that someone has a purpose behind their action, doesn't that say you have one of your own? This doesn't count because it's not following up.
Nothing important stood out in the post, so there was no need to ask any follow up questions. I only clarified a concern in the question itself.
This one just stood out as odd to me, because Rosen was asking Ban about her and to my recollection I think that both Rosen and Ban came in to the same game initially? Doesn't matter much, but interesting.
Not sure what you're trying to get at here.
Here, things start to go bad. Justifying and explaining rather than acting, plus there's a certain break in the logic of 'This will help us form patterns to lynch scum later' and 'just using RNG is NAI and I expect people to do so.' On its own it's not good, but coming from Rosen it is pretty bad comparing to his previous play.
'Random guesses aren't random' / 'Scum and Town will use actual random to guess'
Who said I expected people to actually RNG? The idea in asking such a question is the exact opposite; I only explained deeper because A) the chance of anyone else answering was zero at that point, and B) it was the center of the discussion at the time. No harm done there.
I don't like this first half. I'm having trouble explaining why, but... Discrediting the opposition is the best way I can think to describe it right now. Meso has, at this point, called Rosen out for a serious contradiction in his posts (Which Rosen answers with another contradiction), soft-claiming Scum (Which so far has the answer of "I made a mistake and accept whatever pie I get for it"), and being unnecessarily cagey on his preferred roles (Which has been said to be NAI, but Meso has also said it was the less concerning bit).
The way Rosen says this raises my hackles as well.
Care to give me a quote on this so I know which part you're talking about? Thanks.
Instead, I've gotten backpedaling, a lack of followup, dismissing points against him, hypocrisy and multiple contradictions. Not to mention the kind of condescending dismissive attitude that I've gotten used to from scum.
"I'm not so stupid to just scum slip like that and then immediately bring attention to it by calling it out. You'll just have to take my word for it."
"right now his current arguments against my play literally hold no water (as I've already mentioned), and I'd like to see something actually concrete if there's going to be anything beyond what's already been discussed."
"No, I'm not so stupid to set up mislynches because scum said some peoples' names at the beginning of the game. Sorry to disappoint you there"
Welcome to my actual, normal play style, Nictis! Dismissing is at an all time high and emotions are at an all time low!
