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I figured -Safety was assumed yeah.
What do you think of developing the Melta and Torpedoes this turn as well so we can use them on the Frigates?
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What do you think of developing the Melta and Torpedoes this turn as well so we can use them on the Frigates?
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Cegoratch still has a little spare power for blessings now and then, after commitments to "general survival of the Aeldari" and his own followers (the Harliquins) yes. Asking the Laughing God for blessings isn't always the wisest thing in the world, though, lest one find oneself as the punchline.
Khane, of course, is in no shape to be answering any prayers or handing out any blessings, and Isha is too busy Not Dieing In This Cesspit to spare any strength even if she could break the wardings around her, which she can't (see "not enough energy" issue).
This is why those blessings started to fade before the Fall, which was one of the big red flags for the Craftworlds; as faith waned, so to did the strength of the Pantheon---and with it, their blessings.
No, replicating it exactly is beyond the ability of the modern Aeldari. That said, when you have time for more involved projects, you will be able to study the thing and potentially develop a lesser but still potent device that you can build more of.I don't think we know, IC that Isha hasn't been eaten.
More importantly, can the Forge of Vaul, make another Forge of Vaul?
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Doesn't she also help against plagues even as she is trying not to die? I seem to recall lore she gives dreams that help make answers that aren't death to plagues.
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Added in Karugus' reccomendations.
[] Plan: Rounding Out The Rest
-[] [Steward] Design Additional Vehicle(s) (1 AP)
-[] [Steward] Design a Frigate (4 AP)
-[] [Steward] Form and Function to Feed a World (3 AP)
-[] [Steward] Delve the Vaults (2 AP)
-[] [Bonesinger] Assess the damage to Vau-Vulkesh's engines (4 AP)
-[] [Bonesinger] Armor Foundry (Ithilmar Assault Suit) (2 AP)
-[] [Bonesinger] Continue ship repair (1 AP)
-[] [Bonesinger] Begin refitting the Dragonships of Quilan (1 AP)
--[] [Bonesinger] Also offer Grav-shields (+1 AP)
-[] [Bonesinger] Develop Melta Weapons (1 AP)
-[] [Bonesinger] Forge of Vaul: Produce Wargear (5000 EP max) x2
-[] [Seer] Scry the Future (1 AP)
--[] [Seer] "When will one of our allied craftworlds be attacked?"
-[] [Seer] Scry the Present (1 AP)
--[] [Seer] "Where are the most useful artifacts in our vaults?"
-[] [Seer] The Flaw, The Curse, The Claim (5 AP)
-[] [Seeker] Reverse-engineer Grav-weapons (6 AP)
--[] [Seeker] Gravetic Sheer Weapons
--[] [Seeker] Torsion Weapons
-[] [Seeker] Reverse-engineer Plasma Blasters (4 AP)
--[] [Seeker] Power (+1 AP, +.5 turns)
--[] [Seeker] Fire Rate (+2 AP, +1 turn)
--[] [Seeker] Lower Cost (+3 AP, +0.5 tuns)
--[] [Seeker] Safety (-2 AP, -2 turns)
-[] [Seeker] Reverse-engineer Conversion Fields (2 AP/turn, 3 turns)
--[] [Seeker] Regeneration
-[] [Warrior] Muster a Fleet (1 AP)
--[] [Warrior] 3 Combat Brig, 12 Battle Carrack, 15 Assault Ketch, 10 Battle Caravel, 14 Lance Cutter
--[] [Warrior] Send forth a Warhost (Hearthguard Iron Fist, 1st Heavy Militia, 2nd Heavy Militia)
-[] [Warrior] Raise a Detachment (4 AP)
--[] [Warrior] Battlecasting Support Detachment
--[] [Warrior] Hearthguard Light Support Detachment
--[] [Warrior] Militia Line Detachment x2
--[] [Warrior] Hearthguard Skirmish Detachment
--[] [Warrior] Hearthguard Line Detachment
-[] [Steward] Design Additional Vehicle(s) (1 AP)
-[] [Steward] Design a Frigate (4 AP)
-[] [Steward] Form and Function to Feed a World (3 AP)
-[] [Steward] Delve the Vaults (2 AP)
-[] [Bonesinger] Assess the damage to Vau-Vulkesh's engines (4 AP)
-[] [Bonesinger] Armor Foundry (Ithilmar Assault Suit) (2 AP)
-[] [Bonesinger] Continue ship repair (1 AP)
-[] [Bonesinger] Begin refitting the Dragonships of Quilan (1 AP)
--[] [Bonesinger] Also offer Grav-shields (+1 AP)
-[] [Bonesinger] Develop Melta Weapons (1 AP)
-[] [Bonesinger] Forge of Vaul: Produce Wargear (5000 EP max) x2
-[] [Seer] Scry the Future (1 AP)
--[] [Seer] "When will one of our allied craftworlds be attacked?"
-[] [Seer] Scry the Present (1 AP)
--[] [Seer] "Where are the most useful artifacts in our vaults?"
-[] [Seer] The Flaw, The Curse, The Claim (5 AP)
-[] [Seeker] Reverse-engineer Grav-weapons (6 AP)
--[] [Seeker] Gravetic Sheer Weapons
--[] [Seeker] Torsion Weapons
-[] [Seeker] Reverse-engineer Plasma Blasters (4 AP)
--[] [Seeker] Power (+1 AP, +.5 turns)
--[] [Seeker] Fire Rate (+2 AP, +1 turn)
--[] [Seeker] Lower Cost (+3 AP, +0.5 tuns)
--[] [Seeker] Safety (-2 AP, -2 turns)
-[] [Seeker] Reverse-engineer Conversion Fields (2 AP/turn, 3 turns)
--[] [Seeker] Regeneration
-[] [Warrior] Muster a Fleet (1 AP)
--[] [Warrior] 3 Combat Brig, 12 Battle Carrack, 15 Assault Ketch, 10 Battle Caravel, 14 Lance Cutter
--[] [Warrior] Send forth a Warhost (Hearthguard Iron Fist, 1st Heavy Militia, 2nd Heavy Militia)
-[] [Warrior] Raise a Detachment (4 AP)
--[] [Warrior] Battlecasting Support Detachment
--[] [Warrior] Hearthguard Light Support Detachment
--[] [Warrior] Militia Line Detachment x2
--[] [Warrior] Hearthguard Skirmish Detachment
--[] [Warrior] Hearthguard Line Detachment
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DarkLight140
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This looks pretty close to good. A few changes I'd like to see, though:
With the ability to refit our troops without being forced to design a new Detachment, the value of doing so before we have a robust variety of troops has plummeted. Designing an additional vehicle (as right now literally all we have is our unshielded starter stuff, a shielded infantry transport, and a jetbike) would be much better for purposes of improving our forces.
Basic grenades are nice... but melta weapons cost the same and are a lot more time-critical. Grenades are something that we're going to want to attach to infantry forces and this turn's Steward does no infantry design, but as we saw with Arach-Qin's fleet melta technology can go on naval vessels, and we're designing a frigate here. This means that melta deployment has an immediate and potentially very important payoff; without it we won't have meltas as options for our new frigate.
This seems reasonable, given the vault AP spent above. I'd probably have gone for scrying useful artifacts out in the world at large with plans to dispatch a fleet/warhost to try and pick them up, but there's definitely an argument to be made for investigating our own loot piles first, and only going questing for shiny things after we've properly equipped forces for the job.
Missing out on conversion fields really hurts, here. Do we really need two different kinds of grav-weapons and plasma weapons and unlocking more weapon options more than rounding out our defensive options? Conversion fields are good stuff.
Raising existing Detachment types implies manufacturing equipment for them- the old, obsolete kind of equipment that we're desperately trying to phase out. We don't want to spend our valuable EP building trauma plates and lasguns, so we should not be raising units that require those. Unless I've drastically misunderstood the mechanics (again), anyway.
Edit: I see that a new version was posted since I started writing this feedback. Hopefully everything I said isn't redundant or off base now.
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I'm against raising more detachments unless someone can explain why. In particular, we have 11 militia line detachment not put in a warhost, why are we adding two more?
You make me want to make shrines to them (aside from Khaine) just to feed them and ask nothing in return, because those 2 are doing their best to help us already.
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Much of that has already been tweaked in my V5 just above your post.
Alright I'll add that.
Regarding conversion fields, it was either a pick between them and leaving the previous 3 AP invested into Haywire weapons lie fallow or have Haywire plus 1 AP left over put into Meson.
We can't do much else with our Warrior AP anyway. There aren't any free detachments for another Warhost, and disbanding any Warhosts or detachments at this time wouldn't be wise in my opinion.
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This,
Doesn't do anything, just so you are aware. If something allows partial expences it will be formatted like the engine repair action, and if it requires some points up front and a known amount after it will have the same kind of formatting as the infrastructure options. If you want Meson or Haywire weapons you're going to need to pony up the full 5 or 4 AP, or wait until you have some kind of cost reduction making that less.
DarkLight140
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You could have only one type of grav weapon. We have a ton of different guns already and can pick up the others later if we need them, but conversion field research will take a long time- it's important to start it early.
My point was that this doesn't just take Warrior AP; raising detachments has this in its description:
We do not have sufficient Wargear to raise any of those detachments, which means that we must be producing it concurrently for the action to be valid. In order to produce it concurrently requires Bonesinger AP and/or Forge of Vaul work, which we absolutely do not want to be devoted to that rather than modernization.
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Wait, does that mean the 3AP we put into Haywire weaponry last turn was wasted?
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Already changed as of Mechanis' post above.
Alright, how about this instead for Warrior?
-[] [Warrior] Muster a Fleet (5 AP)
--[] [Warrior] 3 Combat Brig, 12 Battle Carrack, 15 Assault Ketch, 10 Battle Caravel, 14 Lance Cutter
--[] [Warrior] Send forth a Warhost (Hearthguard Iron Fist, 1st Heavy Militia, 2nd Heavy Militia)
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You have loads of free Detachments. specifically, you have:
- 4 Battlecasting Support Detachments
- 1 Hearthguard Light Support Detachment
- 2 Milita Light Support Detachments
- 11 Milita Line Detachments
- 10 Milita Assault Detachments
- 2 Hearthguard Skirmish Detachments
Yes, and-
This doesn't cost AP, like most deployment actions it merely requires you to actually have ships and Warhosts to dispatch.
We do have free detachments.
11 Militia Line Detachments, 10 Militia Assault Detachments, 2 Hearthguard Skirmish Detachments for our free Standard Detachments.
For the Light Detachments we have 2 Militia Light Support Detachments, 1 Hearthguard Light Support Detachment, and 4 Battlecasting Support Detachments
Edit: Ah, beaten by the GM.
Still, there is some value in organizing these loose detachments into Warhosts. I can see us being perilously short on deployable forces soon enough. I know we really don't want to send these guys out before the equipment rollout, but we may not have a choice.
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DarkLight140
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Is it really a waste to give all our researchers 25% paid time off, out of the goodness of our hearts? I'm sure they were toasting us while sipping beverages in the gardens.
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Yeah, this is starting to get a little too complex for me. The army-building being triple-layered is a bit too much to wrap my head around, and the visual aids are a little too opaque for any help. It doesn't help that the info posts are a formatting labyrinth because I cannot find where you pulled that detachment figure from.
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... Every single Detachment description lists how many of them you have free. In bold. In a separate line from the "what's in this" description. With the Command Points they all take, even, in spite of the fact that you are using so little of your capacity there that I'm not even really bothering to track that especially closely.
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Alright, now I see them. It'd probably be easier to find them if the numbers were in the accordion titles.
Like, is there a way we can help with that? I'm presuming we know that Isha is not, in fact, dead, would building temples help ease the burden on her? In the immediate, middle, or long terms?
Secondly, in the scope of the quest, could we ever mount a rescue mission for Isha? If so, any pointers beyond "very good environmental sealing"?
Actually, do we know that Nurgle has her? And if we don't, how could we find out?
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Mechanis
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That would be extremely confusing for voting, because the slides are named for the type of Detachment, just like the squads, weapons, and... Basically everything is. Consistent formatting is critical to preventing confusion issues. (Also Docs is fond of replacing the " character with a different quotation mark character, which breaks the formatting, and it would be significantly more work to update those numbers if I had to check over every single slide for that error every time.)
I'm also confused about the visual aids comment? They should be pretty clear with the descriptions on how they work, the Detachment one especially is practically just "the exact same visual language as official 40k stuff, but Eldar themed instead of Imperium themed" and the Warhost one is literally just a radial flowchart. But, you know, fancy.
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The problem is that I haven't read the army books so I don't know what you're talking about. I've only read the Ciphas Cain anthology and that one Ian Watson book. Everything else has come from Lexicanum. I prefer to avoid the tabletop side of the fandom.
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While I still think we should scry for the Blackstone fortresses putting that aside we ought to be more specific with the artifacts scrying action.
"Most useful" is vague enough that it could apply to categories that we don't really need to focus on right now, I think we should narrow our focus like "What are the most useful artifacts for farming/construction/navigation/warfare/etc." as an example.
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Mechanis
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I mean, the reason why I decided to copy that is because it is highly readable and intuitive - there are several other properties that use similar visual language for that very reason. Heck, the reason why they ended up as hexagons was because I sketched out a more standard flat VVVVV type arrangement but it took up a lot of space and was hard to read because of how some of the connection lines had to either cross or loop all the way around the entire graphic.
Alectai
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Alright, we're getting fairly close to Go Time, the impression I got is "We can't refit yet, but we can raise new units from whole cloth out of equipment we produce this turn, and we should definitely be considering producing enough wargear that we can do some hard refitting next turn", right?
@Mechanis, quick question, do we have a list of our Rationalized units on the Front Page yet? I'm looking at it, but all the lists still just give our old turn 1 shitty gear groups and none of the new stuff.
@Mechanis, quick question, do we have a list of our Rationalized units on the Front Page yet? I'm looking at it, but all the lists still just give our old turn 1 shitty gear groups and none of the new stuff.
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Remember that the more specific we make the scrying actions the more likely they are to fail.