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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Abby Normal said:
Another minor thing from my rereading:

What does (or rather, did, i assume he would ask after this when the colleges are all discussing apparition collecting and bleeding logistics) Reicthard think the golds are doing with the dark hounds? I suppose its a similar question to "so what did the colleges think mathilde was up to when she asked about a rider in red":

But i feel like maybe you'd have more questions if it was a regular thing that keeps happening, rather than a (so far) one off. Especially since a one off could be "i want practice killing apparitions, either myself or for my apprentice", theoretically.

I suppose alternatively, "Do those matters just stay delegated beneath reicthard?" and instead its the... Porter equivalent? And/or perhaps the dean and/or battle wizard organizers? Who would be handling the requests to be told of which brights have unwanted doggos chasing them?
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The Colleges are secretive by nature, and not revealing things is their default. They assume that the other Colleges are on top of making sure that their members aren't getting up to anything too dodgy, and in turn they expect the same courtesy, because everyone's doing stuff that looks dodgy from the outside. The Brights just point when the Golds ask where the totally not Flesh Hounds are, and the Golds just build when the Brights want an octagonal cage with eight locks made of blackened iron. That's just how intercollegiate relations work.

Whipping out one's tome and dropping it on the table with an audible thud somewhat disrupts that dynamic, not least of which because now they don't have plausible deniability if you really are getting up to something dodgy, but even then Reicthard is raising the point delicately.
 
Boney said:
Whipping out one's tome and dropping it on the table with an audible thud somewhat disrupts that dynamic, not least of which because now they don't have plausible deniability if you really are getting up to something dodgy, but even then Reicthard is raising the point delicately.
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You know, we should codify Knightbringer just to throw another monkey wrench into the dynamics following our demonstration of AV. My bet is that we end up with a new generation of wizard archetypes, who specialize in jumping apparitions, bleeding them, and binding them.

Imagine a Magister with a few riders and a dozen different hounds on a shadow steed. It would be like the Wild Hunt.
 
Glau said:
You know, we should codify Knightbringer just to throw another monkey wrench into the dynamics following our demonstration of AV. My bet is that we end up with a new generation of wizard archetypes, who specialize in jumping apparitions, bleeding them, and binding them.

Imagine a Magister with a few riders and a dozen different hounds on a shadow steed. It would be like the Wild Hunt.
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My "Totally Not A Daemonologist" t-shirt is raising a lot of questions already answered by the t-shirt.
 
If we are going to codify apparition binding we should do it with every known apparition , have multiple sources and maybe make a ball like structure to keep them in. Also charge for getting the balls. Maybe have clinics that can check the apparitions . We can also create a league to train the wizards to command them and the apparitions to learn to fight.

Edit even better Mathilde should become a professor and send out little wizard children to catch apparitions.
 
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Glau said:
You know, we should codify Knightbringer just to throw another monkey wrench into the dynamics following our demonstration of AV. My bet is that we end up with a new generation of wizard archetypes, who specialize in jumping apparitions, bleeding them, and binding them.

Imagine a Magister with a few riders and a dozen different hounds on a shadow steed. It would be like the Wild Hunt.
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Funny idea also really leans into what Algard told us. "Look at it this way, we get to stick our hands into realities steaming guts and see how it works."

Grey wizard Apparation solution and use. (We absolutly don't wear tan jumpsuits, there's a copyright thing for earth number 3.19483 and they keep yelling at us.)
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Boney said:
The Colleges are secretive by nature, and not revealing things is their default. They assume that the other Colleges are on top of making sure that their members aren't getting up to anything too dodgy, and in turn they expect the same courtesy, because everyone's doing stuff that looks dodgy from the outside. The Brights just point when the Golds ask where the totally not Flesh Hounds are, and the Golds just build when the Brights want an octagonal cage with eight locks made of blackened iron. That's just how intercollegiate relations work.

Whipping out one's tome and dropping it on the table with an audible thud somewhat disrupts that dynamic, not least of which because now they don't have plausible deniability if you really are getting up to something dodgy, but even then Reicthard is raising the point delicately.
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Not sure if its intended but the way this is phrased seems to imply that a not insignificant portion of higher up Lord/Lady Magisters have probably dipped their toes over the lines of the Articles at some point, even if some of them then found that there was actually firm ground beneath them that they could then say they never really breached them.
 
Humbaba said:
Not sure if its intended but the way this is phrased seems to imply that a not insignificant portion of higher up Lord/Lady Magisters have probably dipped their toes over the lines of the Articles at some point, even if some of them then found that there was actually firm ground beneath them that they could then say they never really breached them.
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It's more that, they don't "technically" breach the articles, but having to explain technicalities to the witch hunters is often a effort in futility. So not talking about it to anyone (even other wizards) ensures that no one has the bright idea to ask questions that would need treatises to correctly answer.
 
Tobtorp said:
It's more that, they don't "technically" breach the articles, but having to explain technicalities to the witch hunters is often a effort in futility. So not talking about it to anyone (even other wizards) ensures that no one has the bright idea to ask questions that would need treatises to correctly answer.
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They don't breach the articles at all IF you have the proper knowledge as to why they don't, which Witch Hunters often don't have. Better to disguise them vs having to educate every witch hunter you come across
 
rocketroland999 said:
They don't breach the articles at all IF you have the proper knowledge as to why they don't, which Witch Hunters often don't have. Better to disguise them vs having to educate every witch hunter you come across
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There's also "It doesn't breach the articles at all .... if you actually believe what the person is saying, and at a certain point you don't give most people the benefit of the doubt."

For instance, Mattie Webs reading the Necro books. As long as she doesn't intend to practice/use any of the necromancy magic/dhar in the book, it's actually perfectly legal, but literally no one would have believed that she's read the book and isn't gonna do the bad stuff.
 
King Arthur said:
There's also "It doesn't breach the articles at all .... if you actually believe what the person is saying, and at a certain point you don't give most people the benefit of the doubt."

For instance, Mattie Webs reading the Necro books. As long as she doesn't intend to practice/use any of the necromancy magic/dhar in the book, it's actually perfectly legal, but literally no one would have believed that she's read the book and isn't gonna do the bad stuff.
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Well it's not that they would not believe on the balance of probabilities she wouldn't use the book. I'm sure many of them would, it's that the risk for being wrong is so catastrophic that no one is willing to take even with those low odds.
 
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Does anyone remember if we told Algard about the demon? I know we talked about the everchosen stuff but I don't remember exactly how much we told him. Just trying to figure out how much he was flashing back to that conversation when we talked about slitting open the barrier of reality.
 
Wiggy said:
Does anyone remember if we told Algard about the demon? I know we talked about the everchosen stuff but I don't remember exactly how much we told him. Just trying to figure out how much he was flashing back to that conversation when we talked about slitting open the barrier of reality.
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Other way around?
We told him about demon and said not a single word about the job offer.
 
Wiggy said:
Does anyone remember if we told Algard about the demon? I know we talked about the everchosen stuff but I don't remember exactly how much we told him. Just trying to figure out how much he was flashing back to that conversation when we talked about slitting open the barrier of reality.
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We told him about the daemon and everything but the explicit job offer, really. We left the explicit job offer out and nothing much else.
 
Just had a thought.

It's way too late in the voting period for this and it's... not the wisest idea even if it did work but I am curious, @Boney what does Mathilde think about the prospect of revealing the belt and its ability to burn ambient Dhar to the Colleges and ask them for her permission to use Ulgu Tongs? It would never be something a wizard without the Belt could cast without going mad, but we would technically pass on the belt to another wizard after Mathilde's death which would permit the use them to use the theoretical mixed Lore(s).

Is this a 'you can ask but the answer might be no' request or a 'do not pass go, do not collect 500 dollars straight to the pyre' request from what Mathilde knows?
 
You know, I suddenly am wondering how much simpler Apparition binding is if you strip out the 'have a useful bound apparition that does things for you' and just leave it at 'have a captured apparition'. Binding one rider in red as the spell Knightbringer was a fiendishly complex spell, but it's also a combat relevant spell that can be cast at combat-relevant speeds.

If you take all of that out... how much simpler would the spell be? I imagine that's what Feldmann is thinking about now.
 
Shard said:
You know, I suddenly am wondering how much simpler Apparition binding is if you strip out the 'have a useful bound apparition that does things for you' and just leave it at 'have a captured apparition'. Binding one rider in red as the spell Knightbringer was a fiendishly complex spell, but it's also a combat relevant spell that can be cast at combat-relevant speeds.

If you take all of that out... how much simpler would the spell be? I imagine that's what Feldmann is thinking about now.
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It doesn't really matter, you can't use present apparition methods to collect blood since they wrap the apparition in the wind of the wizard in question which means that if you did cut one the AV would come into contact with the bindings and detonate on the spot. They would need entirely new techniques.
 
DragonParadox said:
Just had a thought.

It's way too late in the voting period for this and it's... not the wisest idea even if it did work but I am curious, @Boney what does Mathilde think about the prospect of revealing the belt and its ability to burn ambient Dhar to the Colleges and ask them for her permission to use Ulgu Tongs? It would never be something a wizard without the Belt could cast without going mad, but we would technically pass on the belt to another wizard after Mathilde's death which would permit the use them to use the theoretical mixed Lore(s).

Is this a 'you can ask but the answer might be no' request or a 'do not pass go, do not collect 500 dollars straight to the pyre' request from what Mathilde knows?
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Telling the colleges that you have a surefire way to touch dhar without the consequences showing is a really quick way to finding out how much the colleges trusts anyone with power.
 
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