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I desire to see elven Ulricans.

Speaking of that I wonder how Middleland took that fog road? I mean they are about to be a source of elven goods into the Old World second only to Marienburg. That is going to have an impact on their economy and it is also going to tie them closer to Laurelorn, since much like the directorate they are going to start to count on it. The elves are not an ordinary trade partner that provides you one or a few things however precious, due to the high value of elven artisanship full trade with them is the kind of thing that fundamentally alters the economy and, in the long run, potentially the culture of a province. Some day Middleland may be known as the place with the Elf Chic :V
 
[x] Lord Seilph, the Mystic
[x] Pan's Treehouse
[x] Orb Reveal
[x] Silk
[x] Karak Vlag books

Everything new sounds good. Orbs and Silk are two thinks a long time coming, Seilph is time-sensitive, Mathilde seldom misses a chance to see her girlfriend flex, and the Karak Vlag books are potentially interesting.
 
[X] Lord Seilph, the Mystic
[X] Pan's Treehouse
[X] Orb Reveal
[X] Silk
[X] Karak Vlag books

One thing we should start thinking about is what major project will WEBMAT have once the waystone project is done? It's supposed to be about cooperation between divine and arcane casters, and for now the waystone project really does handle that. But once that finishes webmat will need a new flagship project to justify its existance, and while we'll likely have the clout to get people involved after the waystone project completes, there isn't an obvious next project to work on. Doesn't need to be something as big, as unless we go research sabattical it will likely be a side job rather than a primary one. But I'm not seeing a lot of obvious ideas within the branch's mandate.

The next WEB-MAT Project might be working to use the energy of the network to create something.
Whether that be smoke and mirrors towers for transporting goods, shaylan beacons which ward off plague, apparitions bound to city defenses or sealed inside stone to make golems, we can't know until we actually explore what that level of magical power can do. All of that is likely going to require the assistance of a lot of wizards, maybe some priests and almost certainly some runesmiths.
 
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[X] Amber College
[X] Orb Reveal (NEW-ish)
[X] Silk (NEW)
[X] Reading on Nehekhara
[X] Pan's Treehouse (NEW)
 
@Boney Can I suggest not putting the "(NEW)" signifier directly next to the voting option itself next time? It works for options on regular turns where planmakers pay more attention to what they're putting down before posting their final drafts, but for line votes like socials a lot of people just quickly copy-paste the whole thing, while some other people trim that out, meaning the vote tally gets screwed up.
 
@Boney Can I suggest not putting the "(NEW)" signifier directly next to the voting option itself next time? It works for options on regular turns where planmakers pay more attention to what they're putting down before posting their final drafts, but for line votes like socials a lot of people just quickly copy-paste the whole thing, while some other people trim that out, meaning the vote tally gets screwed up.
It's really quite easy to fix that with the manage votes button:
Adhoc vote count started by naths on Dec 27, 2024 at 3:48 AM, finished with 643 posts and 115 votes.
 
I thought there would be a fight for the 5th place but the vote is really set. Voting for the underdogs I like:

[X] Reading on Nehekhara
[X] Skull River Ambush
[X] Druchii Diplomats
 
There's so much we could still do with the Waystone Project that it feels wrong to me to talk about ending it. In terms of just low-hanging fruit we've got:
  • Design a waystone that's (relativey) cheap and easy to deploy.
  • And/or design a waystone that's the current design but without the river component.
  • Deploy the above.
  • Get at least Bretonia into the project both for international-scale shinies and b/c most of our continent's magic flows through them.
  • [ ] Waystone: Negotiate with Ulthuan to re-erect Barak Varr's Nexus (NEW). Investigating Nexuses might be way too difficult and dangerous, but we have one Nexus we can just pay to have fixed. Take the easy win.
Theres significantly more I'd want to do, but even if you think we should wrap it up and move on to something else, there's at least two turns worth of stuff right there that we're super close to accomplishing.
 
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Unless we're counting ego, of course.
If we count ego then the whole saying loses its meaning.
Mathilde didn't feel the need to credit the entire expedition she got the papers on, but Gotrek died on it and Borek loaned her the money to buy them.
I've never personally been involved in reading or writing academic papers. Do people who get credited on them usually have a mention of what they are being credited for? Or is discerning that left as an exercise to the reader?
About now is probably a good time to start discussing what a completed and successful Waystone Project would look like, because it's on Mathilde to mark the finishing line.
Personally I'd love to have at least a second type of Waystone for other uses than the first we made. And have started some form of basic deployment in all corners of import of the Old World. And have actually done at least one major Nexus reclamation adventure.

I also don't know how clear cut the end to the Waystone arc is supposed to be. Is Mathilde going to formally retreat from the project and let someone else take over as leader? Is the whole project going to be disbanded and any further development left to House Tindomiel while the other participants disseminate the gained knowledge and secrets to their respective organizations for eventual Independent research (into things like pure Empire/Dwarven Waystones and Tributaries of more paradigms and the like)? Is the Waystone Project going to technically persist, but with fewer people showing up and less regular meetings, meaning that we the players can decide to do more Waystone actions, but that participant availability will go down?

I know that eventually we have to, but for some reason I have a hard time wrapping my head around leaving Laurelorn behind for good right now. It feels like we only scratched the surface of it in many ways.
Kislev's method of 'ask a god to deal with it' seems the most promising as the Empire lets priests get away with way more than the wizards, but Ranald's reputation isn't gonna hold up to that scrutiny and Mathilde doesn't know many other clergy that well, so one of the daughters or Shallya would be the best bet.
They would be quite late to the party, but Taalites can still be invited to the Project. Just make sure Aksel doesn't fall under too much scrutiny.
 
[X] Lord Seilph, the Mystic
[X] Pan's Treehouse
[X] Orb Reveal
[X] Silk
[X] Skull River Ambush
Also, what the heck is "unleavened gromril"?
I think it's just a flowery (or, well, floury in this case) way to say "solid/homogeneous" just like unleavened bread is. Basicly they were saying the club is just one solid chunk of gromril without any internal voids.
 
I've never personally been involved in reading or writing academic papers. Do people who get credited on them usually have a mention of what they are being credited for? Or is discerning that left as an exercise to the reader?

Citations are a bit of a messy free for all today, let alone where it would be in early renaissance equivalent academia.

I also don't know how clear cut the end to the Waystone arc is supposed to be. Is Mathilde going to formally retreat from the project and let someone else take over as leader? Is the whole project going to be disbanded and any further development left to House Tindomiel while the other participants disseminate the gained knowledge and secrets to their respective organizations for eventual Independent research (into things like pure Empire/Dwarven Waystones and Tributaries of more paradigms and the like)? Is the Waystone Project going to technically persist, but with fewer people showing up and less regular meetings, meaning that we the players can decide to do more Waystone actions, but that participant availability will go down?

It would normally be very plausible for something like the Waystone Project to turn into a zombie organization shambling on after its original purpose is fulfilled because there's too much prestige and name recognition wrapped up in it for it to be discarded, but that's not going to happen here because it would be tedious for the quest. The Waystone Project will have a clean and definitive end, and everyone involved will be free to pursue or not pursue further investigation on their own time and with their own resources.
 
Citations are a bit of a messy free for all today, let alone where it would be in early renaissance equivalent academia.

I once had to do a project about Harvard citations and how to use them, but my university insisted that we used their bespoke citation style on all of our work.

I actually lost 3% on that project because I got confused and used both citation styles in the reference section.
 
I know that eventually we have to, but for some reason I have a hard time wrapping my head around leaving Laurelorn behind for good right now. It feels like we only scratched the surface of it in many ways.

We do not technically have to leave, we could just take the estate as our reward. I'm not sure what good that would be other than keeping the laboratory, but we could do it. Have two houses in two of the most remote non-human kingdoms on the continent, at the very least it would be some kind of flex. :V
 
I wanted to do this sooner, but here's my opinion on the current social options:

[ ] Swordplay
Yes, we've never quite seen our full style in action against a worthy opponent. And yes, there's something said about testing ourselves before the Elfcation. But as a scene, a friendly duel just doesn't interest me as much as all the other options, we're likely to see cool swording during the Elfcation and it won't give any mechanical boost anyway.

[ ] Niedzwenka
I like Baba Niedzwenka as a character and I think the topic is interesting enough, but I'd rather wait another turn or so and do something else instead.

[X] Sarvoi
This one interests me a lot. Learning more about Elven magic and about Apparitions both seem relevant to thread discussions about spell creation and codification. Also it would be a first on-screen and in character insight into how the whole "every faction with access to the same Winds casts the same Battle Magic spells" thing from tabletop and TW translates into Boney's conception of the world.

[X] Lord Seilph, the Mystic (NEW)
What can I say? Flirting with Dark Magic just has an appeal to me. Also, this social action is the one with the clearest availability deadline.

[ ] Okri
Not that I'm not interested, but with Okri being a Dwarf, this option is likely to stick around for a long time.

[X] Pan's Treehouse (NEW)
I remember once thinking that I didn't want to spend a social action on her every other turn. But if I'm not mistaken we haven't had a dedicated scene with our girlfriend since January 2023. And this seems both a delightful occasion and also a follow up on the seed we bought in Uzkulak.

[X] Middenland
I've been wanting to look into this aspect of the Eonir and divine/cultural world-building for a long time now. It feels even more urgent with Boney having brought up the question of eventually ending the Laurelorn arc.

[ ] Wissenland
Another action I have been curious about for a long time now, but there's just too much competition against imminent things or things relevant to more current story beats.

[X] Druchii Diplomats
I initially had lost a bit of interest in this due to us having chosen to definitively include Ulthuan in the Waystone Project. But then someone (I forgot who it was) brought up a good point on how it could prove relevant for Elfcation.

[ ] Reading on Nehekhara
I know book reading is popular among voters, but these are the least likely "social" actions to run away. Given the competition I really think this can wait a few turns.

[ ] Amber College
To be honest, I just don't really care all that much about the salamanders. They don't seem to lead anywhere all that interesting, given our current areas of focus.

[ ] Skull River Ambush
I kind of feel like the invitation by Fooger to observe the dismantling of a Marienburg House fallen to Chaos already gave me some kind of closure on this. It's not very thorough as far as Grey Magister scrutiny goes, but my own curiosity has waned over the years.

[ ] Kalashiniviks
I am kind of curious. But we neglected participating in the investigations surrounding them when they were still a relevant mystery, and now they are all dead, or at least dispersed. How much of note are we actually going to learn here?

[X] Orb Reveal (NEW-ish)
We've been clamoring for this for years. Not doing this is not even an option in my mind.

[X] Silk (NEW)
It's crazy to admit, but what I said about the Orb Reveal is somehow even more true about the We Silk.

[ ] Karak Vlag books (NEW)
I know I'm going against the grain here, but I still thing books can wait a bit, even if I am more interested in these books than the Nehekharan ones (and I am also interested in the Nehekharan ones). Additionally, the argument that we should learn Kislevite first does hold some merit IMO. I'd rather just read them instead of spending time with translation.



Edit: Approval voting.

[X] Skull River Ambush
I am more interested in this that the books this turn.
 
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Not really. Building waystones in Sylvania will take more than 6 months.
It may or may not be time sensitive. Seilph's and Sarumar's presence is what lured the otherside High Wizards from Laurelorn to Sylvania to do the actual work of setting up the Waystones but it's entirely possible he'll leave before completion and leave finishing the job to the non-Grey Lord High Wizards and it's entirely possible that those High Wizards will be fine with that, accepting that the opportunity to spend a short time interacting with the Grey Lords is worth spending a somewhat longer time doing the scut work of setting up the Waystones. Alternatively it's possible he'll stick around for the whole process of setting up the Waystones but infrastructure and only leave once it's finished. We don't know what he'll do because we don't know him very well, in fact we barely know him at all beyond the facts that he's a Grey Lords who's interested in Dhar, is interested in the Dhar-based phenomenon in Sylvania possibly including the blending of Dhar and Shyish in the form of Necromancy, and isn't trusted enough to not mess with Dhar while in unambiguously Imperial jurisdiction thus requiring us to put him to sword and fire immediately per the Articles of Imperial Magic and do Very Bad Things to diplomatic relations with Laurelorn and therefore requires another Grey Lord to act as a minder to keep him from doing anything ill-advised.
 
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