Now why go with human mythology for the name? May i propose Tyrion, Imrik, or Eltharion instead of Hercules?
A Different Breed (Warhammer 29K)
Now why go with human mythology for the name? May i propose Tyrion, Imrik, or Eltharion instead of Hercules?
- Location
- Utrecht
Eldar have 2 spear type weapons:
- singing spears, which are force weapons or people can't currently use.
- laser lances, which the shining spears use to joust. They are power weapons that can do a short range laser attack
There is also the harlequin's kiss, which is a wrist mounted sharpened tube that shoots monofilament after piercing the victim.
Put that on a pole, and you have a scary ass spear.
Kohril lionmane, who is so strong he dual wields great axes and chokes lions, aka, elf hercules
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- Location
- Utrecht
Caledor pattern jetbike, with laser lances, sonic grenades and flamers.
Imrik pattern jetbike, with starcrystal lances, sonic grenades and meltas.
Both come equipped with conversion fields
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But using the name of a kingdom for an infantry armor breaks the pattern. I say we reserve the kingdom names for something larger. Perhaps large warships?
- Location
- Utrecht
Nitpick: the kingdom of Caledor is literally Caledor's kingdom, because that's all the recognition he needed.
- Location
- his hidden lair
Guardians aren't going to be able to afford VGA as a general rule for the time being. They're going to be stuck with the VBD. We have roughly 2400 HG. Assuming 10% of them get Ithilmar, that leaves 2160 to get VGA. That's about 13,000 EP. Call it 3 VF for that and the Ithilmar (it's more but I'm being generous). Rolling out VGA to the Guardians would be over 3000 more suits. And armor probably isn't the sole thing we should be devoting our three turns of build up to.
I can understand the desire to ratio it, but we're not at stage where we're continuously standing up new formations or just stockpiling- we're unfucking existing ones, and that means production is going to conform to what's present rather than ratios and we really don't need surplus we can't afford just yet.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Now that I'm awake, a reminder that VBD is Still remarkably better than Wraithbone Hardsuits--our present Best Available Form of Armor--but more economical by a lot.
@Mechanis Just a quick reminder, the vote tally is being difficult right now and after an attempt to fix it, it's now forgotten that my vote exists. To make things easier for you, the original plan for Vulkhari Armory Vol. 1 is Right Here
@Mechanis Just a quick reminder, the vote tally is being difficult right now and after an attempt to fix it, it's now forgotten that my vote exists. To make things easier for you, the original plan for Vulkhari Armory Vol. 1 is Right Here
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- Location
- his hidden lair
Yeah, it's important to not let armor become an endless resource sink until we're in a stable position. For instance my newest white whale; we have an insane amount of unarmed jetbikes in each militia warhost (96 per basic, 80 for the heavy) where we're just expecting the pilot to shoot his carbine. That's 800 mobile, hard to hit platforms with out any meaningful weaponry on them. We could upgrade them to the Star Rifle variant and probably double the firepower of each militia warhost. Or settle for lascannons, twin las rifles, or even push for a scatter laser equivalent.
A 4 EP upgrade per bike (twin las rifles) would add about 16 Guardian Fire Squads worth of firepower to each Warhost. Obviously it will probably be a bit less in practice, but I think it pretty readily illustrates we have some stupidly low hanging fruits to fix.
A 4 EP upgrade per bike (twin las rifles) would add about 16 Guardian Fire Squads worth of firepower to each Warhost. Obviously it will probably be a bit less in practice, but I think it pretty readily illustrates we have some stupidly low hanging fruits to fix.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
We'll take a look at that once we've gotten to Vehicles, I think.
- Location
- Somewhere Beyond the Sea
I'm thinking of drafting up a theoretical upgrade package to our Void Guard Armour featuring conversion shields once we get them and hopefully improve our EP production pipeline.
Basically, I'm hoping that this will have the equivalent protection/mobility/utility of an Incubus Warsuit (the DEldar's own power armour) except with less spikes and skulls, the price tag will ultimately depend on the price of the personal conversion fields and what the heck a 'Destructive Overload' means in terms of the wearer's survival (fuse melting or explosion? I dunno), but so far, it looks like it could be a viable upgrade once we figure our stuff out?
Theoretical Void Guard Upgrade package (Pending Conversion Fields)
[ ] Medium
[ ] Powered
[ ] Autotargeters
[ ] Holo-field Projector
[ ] Extended Operations Modification
[ ] Extra Plating (Powered only)
[ ] Improved Power-Assist (Powered & Semi-powered only)
[ ] (TBA: Conversion-Field Projector)
This is ONLY for when our production is able to handle producing enough of these upgraded VGA, and it is still mostly theoretical for now / me spitballing about what we could do to improve our suits further (maybe, HOPEFULLY, we can just upgrade the old VGA into this theoretical suit when that time comes around?)
But still, I'd say this is a pretty good balance of armour all things considered!
IIRC you suggested the idea of going with a heavy speeder with a fatecaster + Starlance/Starcarver, right? (I think it was light fatecasters and heavy Stars?) But yeah that could add a substantial difference to our firepower if we can afford it.
I will still advocate for some kind of Assault Barge IFV since recreating the party bus full of guns sounds hilarious, fun and still practical to me.
"THYRUS, HARD LEFT, WE'RE GONNA BROADSIDE THIS FOOL!"
"Your mother showed me her broadside-"
*Enthusiastic Vulkhari cheers*
Basically, I'm hoping that this will have the equivalent protection/mobility/utility of an Incubus Warsuit (the DEldar's own power armour) except with less spikes and skulls, the price tag will ultimately depend on the price of the personal conversion fields and what the heck a 'Destructive Overload' means in terms of the wearer's survival (fuse melting or explosion? I dunno), but so far, it looks like it could be a viable upgrade once we figure our stuff out?
Theoretical Void Guard Upgrade package (Pending Conversion Fields)
[ ] Medium
[ ] Powered
[ ] Autotargeters
[ ] Holo-field Projector
[ ] Extended Operations Modification
[ ] Extra Plating (Powered only)
[ ] Improved Power-Assist (Powered & Semi-powered only)
[ ] (TBA: Conversion-Field Projector)
This is ONLY for when our production is able to handle producing enough of these upgraded VGA, and it is still mostly theoretical for now / me spitballing about what we could do to improve our suits further (maybe, HOPEFULLY, we can just upgrade the old VGA into this theoretical suit when that time comes around?)
Yeah you're right about that, we can probably figure it all out once the designs are finalized and we figure out how much weapons and armour we'd need to get our troops in working order, but the ratio was just me pondering on how much of our production should be ratio'd after the crisis is over.
But still, I'd say this is a pretty good balance of armour all things considered!
IIRC you suggested the idea of going with a heavy speeder with a fatecaster + Starlance/Starcarver, right? (I think it was light fatecasters and heavy Stars?) But yeah that could add a substantial difference to our firepower if we can afford it.
I will still advocate for some kind of Assault Barge IFV since recreating the party bus full of guns sounds hilarious, fun and still practical to me.
"THYRUS, HARD LEFT, WE'RE GONNA BROADSIDE THIS FOOL!"
"Your mother showed me her broadside-"
*Enthusiastic Vulkhari cheers*
- Location
- Germany
What we build comes down heavily what we upgrade first.
But overall I think armor is kind of our highest concern at the moment across the board for our army.
And I would argue for focused upgrade to single warhosts first, that most likely are to see large amounts of death without them. And throwing the leftover EP into Armor for the Milita warhost.
I would almost say the blade of ishda warhost, so they don't run basically naked into melee.
Followed by Fist of Vau-Vulkesh and Vaul-Hammer
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
It's only on Ithilmar armor, and it's paired with Holofields, which counter guided weapons and the like by obscuring your exact position. AoE weapons don't automatically break it, and if you're using a fully artillery bombardment just to maybe kill one squad, we're still coming out ahead.
- Location
- Germany
They are also in heavy power armor.
That should protect them from a lot of splash damage, even from artillery shells that hit nearby but didn't score a direct hit.
Overall it is a pretty damn potent mix of armor, evasion and shielding.
- Location
- his hidden lair
That's all I ask. It's just easy to focus on the shoddy armor and miss the couple hundred mopeds we pressed into military service.
I'm basically a fan of upgrading the Bright Talon heavy jetbike. Holo-fields and gravity shields both favor heavier vehicles and smaller squads so we generally want heavier metal solutions. Though if gravity shields take up multiple slots the Bright Talon might only be capable of taking on a holo-field.
Upgrading the Attack Barge/ creating an open top IFV seems fairly reasonable to protect the Guardians but it's in kinda a weird place where theoretically the HG are the biggest beneficiaries of an open top because they're massively more lethal/but are also more valuable. The Needlestorm is actually pretty solid, it just needs better defenses and a pair of las cannons and it's a real workhorse- and I know some closed IFVs in 40k still let the passengers shoot out of them, so we'd have to see.
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That would prolly be superior, actually? Well, in terms of protection, anyway.
Conversion fields are very good. They are very consistently some of the best infantry protection options in the setting*. And that's already medium semi-powered holo-field armor you are upgrading.
*To my somewhat outdated knowledge, fwiwbasically this thing said:
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RandomTechPriest
He Who Steals Toasters
[X] Plan Vulkhari Standard
- Location
- Germany
So some math for Blades of Ishda warhost regarding armor upgrades:
It is made up of 4 Bladedancer detachments and each one of these is made up of:
three Guardian Militia Assault Squads + attached Blade Dancer - 10 people per squad -30
three Hearthguard Ironbreaker squads + attached Blade Dancer - 6 people per squad-18
a squad of Hearthguard Veterans mounted to Needlestorm IFV - 6 peopple per squad
a squad of Fatebreakers mounted to Needlestorm IFV - 6 people per squad
a Bladedance Troupe mounted to Needlestorm IFVs.
Bladedancers can't have armor (at least not one we can create currently)
30 Ithilmar -23 EP per
30 Void Guard Armor - 6 EP per.
- Total EP cost per Detachmant upgrade:870EP
- Total Cost to upgrade Blades of Ishda: 3480EP to get them armor. (5520 EP if they are all stuffed into Ithilmar)
Went with VGA here because these are all melee units and even for Militia I think they should get our line armor to keep losses to a minimum.
It is made up of 4 Bladedancer detachments and each one of these is made up of:
three Guardian Militia Assault Squads + attached Blade Dancer - 10 people per squad -30
three Hearthguard Ironbreaker squads + attached Blade Dancer - 6 people per squad-18
a squad of Hearthguard Veterans mounted to Needlestorm IFV - 6 peopple per squad
a squad of Fatebreakers mounted to Needlestorm IFV - 6 people per squad
a Bladedance Troupe mounted to Needlestorm IFVs.
Bladedancers can't have armor (at least not one we can create currently)
30 Ithilmar -23 EP per
30 Void Guard Armor - 6 EP per.
- Total EP cost per Detachmant upgrade:870EP
- Total Cost to upgrade Blades of Ishda: 3480EP to get them armor. (5520 EP if they are all stuffed into Ithilmar)
Went with VGA here because these are all melee units and even for Militia I think they should get our line armor to keep losses to a minimum.
- Location
- his hidden lair
One thing we should probably figure out sooner than later is how an infantry holofield interacts with a vehicle they're riding and vice versa. Does a jetbike with a holofield need its rider to have a holofield? Is there some benefit for both having one? Is rider with a holofield still well protected even if his bike doesn't have one? And the same questions for open topped barges.
- Location
- Somewhere Beyond the Sea
I did some more math on this theoretical upgrade package.
(2)*(1.75)+3+.5+.3+.2
+.3 = 7.8 (Rounded up to 8EP) for a powered, medium suit with improved mobility and extra armour plating, we don't know the EP cost of the conversion fields, so the final cost per upgraded suit is still unknown to us.
Again though, this is ONLY for after we've dealt with the most immediate issues (Meros, Orks, Zahr-Tann and Arach-Qin, the incoming Biel-Tan murder wagon, etc) and figured out a way to increase our total EP, until then, this is probably gonna remain a proof of concept of what we COULD do if we had just a little bit more points to work with.
(God, please let my math be right for once)
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