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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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"It struck me that trying to do such rote and predictable work with any of our crafts was misplaced effort," he says. "The Engineers Guild of Karak Hirn put this together for me,
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That is actually some amazing character development for him. Thorek was introduced as 'the runelord who thinks everything should be done with runes'.
Seems he has learned a lot from watching Mathilde cobble together miracles from disparate parts.

Mechanical
Orbital enchantment
Original enchantment
Light-windherding enchantment
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Very productive. Given the production deal we made with the House the orbital option is probably what is going to be used, at least initially.

The paper she slides over to you lists a number of options, charted by material cost, craftsman-hours, Wizard-hours, and approximate magical throughput. You slide it over to Thorek, who spends a moment calculating exchange rates before adding a few Rune-based options at the bottom.
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Troubling. Wizard-hours, or Runesmith-hours, are never in great supply.
At least it sounds like it is a solved problem aside from paying for it.

That, you suppose, is one of the benefits to being an ancient terror - instead of working around others, you get to be the one that other people have to work around.
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Don't worry Mathilde, you will get there one day.

The magical underpinnings of the plan attract much comment from the more magically-inclined parts of the crowd, at first because they insist that it can't work and then, after trying it themselves, insisting that it shouldn't.
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It seems to me that this is the standard reaction of elves encountering human-designed magic. Thankfully it seems Sarvoi is less closed minded.

Also a good thing that Mathilde is a wizard lord. I suspect that had a mere magister or journeyman handed over something as valuable as a battlemagic grade spell to another polity without explicit permission then Questions Would Be Asked. In this case Mathilde is exactly the sort of person they would send to ask those questions.

She's growing quickly, and not just in the sense that you now have to pat her shoulder instead of her head when she does well. You're confident she's going to grow into a very impressive Magister one day.
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Ha! She already has a better starting position than Mathilde did at quest start and hasn't even reached journeyman yet. We are training a future Matriarch.

liminal realm
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Ah the glorious process of disassembling metaphysics.
Now we know how to make them it is time to learn how to move them. Probably best to publish our findings and get some other brains involved before that, but I still want to try the 'inside a vehicle' experiment eventually.

Regarding socials:
[ ] The Black Water Canal
Absolutely must do this one. We have waited so long for it and have so much money ready to start pouring through that canal.
 
Boney said:
or perhaps there's a way to shape the realm after it is created
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My first thoughts go to seeing what happens if you try to expand the slit past the size of the realm, possibly in combination with then dripping energy into it or at least at the edges instead of the center.

Alternatively or additionally, supplying magic directly from your own soul as if casting magic (an invitation to danger) and/or having a runesmith squint dubiously at it.


EDIT: While thinking about possibly setting up an enchantment to power the expansion of the realm via powerstones, I realized that the description of how a liminal realm interacts with the Winds should allow it to act as a drainage point.
 
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[x] The Black Water Canal
[x] Tzar Boris Bokha
[x] Swordplay
[x] Eonir Tourism
[x] Skull River Ambush
[x] Kalishiniviks
 
[X] Middenland
[X] Nordland
[X] The Black Water Canal
[X] Eike
 
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Boney said:
One of the possibilities is 'tears a hole all the way through to the Warp' so Mathilde limited her experimentation.
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I figured as much. I wasn't listing experiments but thoughts on how to potentially shape the growth to be non-spherical. In particular I like the straightforward approach of "move closer to the edge of the realm and add vitae/magic to grow it again so that the realm is shaped like multiple conjoined spheres"

That said, I'm now starting to be more interested in the potential for using liminal realms as Wind-sinks
 
Just had my coffee there, so this might be too late regardless if it is alid or not:

A conversation between Mathilde and Eike on the nature of faith and gods, and one's relationship with them.

[The best defence against Chaos mindfuckery is rolling gangbusters. The second best defence is a fantastic piety score]

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I've brought up how Eike's 'Mathilde knows best what I should be learning' trait could have a negative side of 'If I'm not directed to learn it, it's probably of lesser importance' in the past, and when I raised the topic of Eike's piety score one of the responses I got was about how one's faith should be kept a personal thing.[1]

This social action is intended to try to accommodate that perspective by pointing Eike towards doing some self-study about Shyllan things.

[1] I agree with that sentiment IRL, but I feel it should not apply to WHF due to there being literal demons and such.
 
[X] Amber College
CAuse why not?

[X] Eonir Tourism
Funny.

[X] Okri
I want to see where the ADIH Project is up to

[X] Tzar Boris Bokha
Might as well

[X] The Black Water Canal
Canal good.

A future, future future project I sometimes wonder about is digging a canal to link K8P with the Black Gulf, and then a futher one to the Sour Sea.

Why?

Trade and memes, my friends. Trade and memes
 
[X] The Black Water Canal
[X] Eonir Tourism
[X] Tzar Boris Bokha
[X] Skull River Ambush
[X] Eike
 
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[X] Swordplay
[X] The Black Water Canal
[X] Eonir Tourism
[X] Tzar Boris Bokha
[X] Amber College
[X] Eike
 
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Boney said:
"So in the same way humans tamed wolves into dogs
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IRL, dogs were invented 20k years ago at most, which in Warhammer would predate the Old Ones, and happened 280k years after humans started existing. How did Warhammer humans speedrun dogs? Old Ones? Rhya? WFRP 4e: Lustria page 80 mentions an elven mage who breeds capybaras with Ghur, so maybe magic was involved?
 
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[X] Tzar Boris Bokha
[X] The Black Water Canal

Those are time limited and very much required, we did told Boris we would met him at the coronation.

[X] Druchii Diplomats
Ways past time we looked into what they are doing, we even bought all the books we could specificaly for this.

[X] Amber College
[X] Kalishiniviks

So I was wondering, considering EIke seens to have developed a material skill beyond just a trait, is there anything stoping us from learning it ourselves ?
 
BeepSmile said:
Just had my coffee there, so this might be too late regardless if it is alid or not:

A conversation between Mathilde and Eike on the nature of faith and gods, and one's relationship with them.

[The best defence against Chaos mindfuckery is rolling gangbusters. The second best defence is a fantastic piety score]

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I've brought up how Eike's 'Mathilde knows best what I should be learning' trait could have a negative side of 'If I'm not directed to learn it, it's probably of lesser importance' in the past, and when I raised the topic of Eike's piety score one of the responses I got was about how one's faith should be kept a personal thing.[1]

This social action is intended to try to accommodate that perspective by pointing Eike towards doing some self-study about Shyllan things.

[1] I agree with that sentiment IRL, but I feel it should not apply to WHF due to there being literal demons and such.
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I think there's enough meat there to make it work. Added:

[ ] Eike
Have a discussion about faith, the Gods, and the role they play in one's life.

Andres said:
IRL, dogs were invented 20k years ago at most, which in Warhammer would predate the Old Ones, and happened 280k years after humans started existing. How did Warhammer humans speedrun dogs? Old Ones? Rhya? WFRP 4e: Lustria page 80 mentions an elven mage who breeds capybaras with Ghur, so maybe magic was involved?
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I can't really answer that for GW, but I would turn a questioning eye towards the Wolf God Lupus, theorized to be the original God of the Cherusens, and His defeat and the usurpation of the canine sphere by Ulric, who is unquestionably a God of Humanity.

Zaratustra said:
So I was wondering, considering EIke seens to have developed a material skill beyond just a trait, is there anything stoping us from learning it ourselves ?
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Different forms of Magesights have different strengths. Being able to evaluate material properties is one that doesn't work well with visual Magesight.
 
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
That sounds like a Piety training action, rather than a social action.
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It was me taking my argument for a Piety training action and trying to downgrade in terms of desired outcome to a Social: 'Eike go look into this topic' in your own time action so as to accommodate the 'Faith should be a personal matter' argument I was presented with previously.

I may have failed to reword the idea so that it properly communicates the desired/intended/expected scope of such a discussion
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Anyway. Just noticed this:
It is only once they reach the mountains that frame the southern border of the steppes that a facet of their nature that we would recognize reasserts itself, and they plunge downwards in intertangling Windfalls, scattering pearls of forbidden iridescence across the bone-strewn wastes."

Egrimm's verbiage is a bit flowery for academia, but it seems to be entertaining Eike.
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Way to use the word 'forbidden' rather than something like 'terrible' or 'baleful' , Egrimm.
 
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Well, this is a nice birthday present!
Boney said:
Egrimm's verbiage is a bit flowery for academia, but it seems to be entertaining Eike. You toy with the idea of working it into the paper to entertain your readers, but the tone ends up clashing drastically between the descriptions and the technical details, so you end up having to leave it out. The result is still a fairly readable description of a fascinating magical phenomenon in far too dangerous a place to be visited safely, so you're confident it'll garner a decent amount of attention. Especially since it is an undeniably natural phenomena that results in the creation of Dhar, which goes against a lot of orthodox Sevirric theory that argues that as it is inherently unnatural, it can only be created by corrupted beings. You're careful to avoid any suggestion that this in any way legitimizes the energy or its use - it is merely an unfortunate side-effect of an otherwise beautiful process.

[Writing the paper: Learning, 51+29-10(Freshness: Faded)+7(Library: Sevir)=77.]
[Egrimm's contribution: 6+23=29.]
[Max's contribution: 55+18=73.]

[Observations on the Windfall on the Road of Skulls, 2490. Subject: Rare, +1. Insight: Shattering, +3. Delivery: Competent, +0. Exotic, +1. Varied, +1. Unpopular, -1. Shared Credit, -1. Total: +4.]
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The description says it will garner attention, but the paper has the 'Unpopular' tag. Is this because the distaste for the natural Dhar-generation trumps the excitement over the interesting magic behaviour?

Boney said:
But where she's really flourished is in her understanding of the interactions between magical energies and different mediums. You've typically stuck to the tried-and-true staples for magical conductors and insulators, and when you needed something exotic you consulted the various reference materials and often had to pay dearly for them - though often with someone else's gold. But Eike hasn't just memorized the known facts of material conductivity, she's developed a habit of evaluating the materials she encounters for how they'd react to different magical energies. Her earliest examples of enchantment, while as primitive and temporary as expected for someone just starting out, use all kinds of mundane-seeming materials that are perfectly suited for their place in the larger piece. Not only will this serve her well for any form of magical craftsmanship she sets out to learn, if she develops this skill further it would also make her a more formidable spellcaster, as she'd be able to cast her spells in such a way to take advantage of the material conditions of the terrain around her.
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This reminds me of Elementalism mechanics. I wonder if Eike could get something from their books, even if she could never directly do what they do because of Ulgu interfering.

[X] Middenland
[X] Nordland
[X] The Black Water Canal
[X] Eonir Tourism
[X] Tzar Boris Bokha
[X] Skull River Ambush
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[X] Eike
 
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Romv said:
Well, this is a nice birthday present!

The description says it will garner attention, but the paper has the 'Unpopular' tag. Is this because the distaste for the natural Dhar-generation trumps the excitement over the interesting magic behaviour?
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Any Shattering paper garners attention, this one just slightly less vigorously so with a few harrumphs because of that unsavoury element.
 
[X] Eike
[X] Druchii Diplomats
[X] Eonir Tourism
[X] Tzar Boris Bokha
[X] The Black Water Canal

Ambush, Nordland and Middenland are also important and tempting, but these are what I really want to read about.
 
Boney said:
Different forms of Magesights have different strengths. Being able to evaluate material properties is one that doesn't work well with visual Magesight.
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I like this. A lot.
It's a cool thing that has a lot of potential that she can do that Mathilde full on can't 'cuz of how their windsights differ.

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[X] Eike
Have a discussion about faith, the Gods, and the role they play in one's life.
[X] Middenland
See how the Ulricans are going with their new Eonir coreligionists.
[X] Nordland
See what's going on with the Ulrican schismatics that Nordland is backing.
[X] The Black Water Canal
Attend the grand opening of the Black Water Canal as it finally bridges the waterways of the northern and southern halves of the continent.
[X] Eonir Tourism
Despite language and cultural barriers, some of the Eonir have begun venturing out into the wider Empire. Check how this is going, and get a glimpse of the Empire you were born in from the point of view of those to whom it is alien.
 
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