NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

AeonIlluminate · Oct 18, 2023

Also, whoever is tracking ideas for Research, how about we learn Firepit Fling for 3xp, and then get Sten to do the "throw hundreds of arrows at you" trick, and then we charge up an ungodly amount of Stoker Dice and throw all of them into Firepit Fling straight up, to try and get a Hugareida like Acceleration or some high speed wind one.

mythfan12 · Oct 18, 2023

Sirrocco said:
Only point of concern that I'd have is that i recall vaguely that we have a max Stoker Dice capacity, and if we go over that... something bad happens? I'm sure someone else remembers this better than I. We'd want to make sure that we don't trigger unfortunate effects from having too many stoker dice.

If I recall correctly, that's only the amount we can hold long term, we can stoke as much as we need during a fight but it'll deplete to the cap afterwards.

Skippy · Oct 18, 2023

wrecksalot said:
Hooknails has boosts for Contested Movement too by unknown means, we're hoping to overpower those.

We put Odr into Slowing Slog for duration last round, so its still up

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Hooknails rolled a 121 on his last Contested Movement. 30 may be overkill, but 20 wouldn't be enough, and we're getting an arbitrary number anyway, so saving 30 for that vs. saving 25 is not a big difference.

As wrecksalot notes, having burned Odr, Slowing Slog is still up. I'd 100% agree we add it if it weren't.

Good to know on the Odr, that does seem handy to do given how much Orthstirr it saves.

As far as the dice go, fair enough, looking at the numbers that does make sense. Can I suggest that we substitute our remaining charges of Fight of Your Life for Stoked Dice? My reasoning here is that the more ludicrously big we make the pile of Stoked Dice for our Fireside Poker, the stronger it is. Although if it would be useful to retain usages of Fight of Your Life for the new mechanics of Time Stands Still, I suppose we might want to hold on to them. This is somewhat complicated by the new rules not having been written up yet however.

DeadmanwalkingXI · Oct 18, 2023

Sirrocco said:
Only point of concern that I'd have is that i recall vaguely that we have a max Stoker Dice capacity, and if we go over that... something bad happens? I'm sure someone else remembers this better than I. We'd want to make sure that we don't trigger unfortunate effects from having too many stoker dice.

We have been told by IF that most bad side effects will only ensue if we don't spend the dice immediately (the plan is spend them immediately), and especially if we have them at the end of a round. We probably have a minor heart attack and take 1 Endurance loss from this, but that's acceptable.

Skippy said:
Good to know on the Odr, that does seem handy to do given how much Orthstirr it saves.

As far as the dice go, fair enough, looking at the numbers that does make sense. Can I suggest that we substitute our remaining charges of Fight of Your Life for Stoked Dice? My reasoning here is that the more ludicrously big we make the pile of Stoked Dice for our Fireside Poker, the stronger it is.

So, IF said if we do this (and it works, I guess) we gain a truly arbitrary number of dice. Like, an uncountable number. Mathematically, we'd be in the mid to high 100s. Saving 30 does not meaningfully weaken the attack.

Skippy said:
Although if it would be useful to retain usages of Fight of Your Life for the new mechanics of Time Stands Still, I suppose we might want to hold on to them. This is somewhat complicated by the new rules not having been written up yet however.

This rule has in fact been updated. It's an opposed Hamr+Hugr check, and it allows them to be aware and able to plan around the actions you take but doesn't seem to let them defend themselves.

Skippy · Oct 18, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
So, IF said if we do this (and it works, I guess) we gain a truly arbitrary number of dice. Like, an uncountable number. Mathematically, we'd be in the mid to high 100s. Saving 30 does not meaningfully weaken the attack.

Fair enough in that case. I was thinking IF might eyeball it as being like, a hundred Stoked Dice, in which case thirty is a significant enough decrease to be concerned about.

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
This rule has in fact been updated. It's an opposed Hamr+Hugr check, and it allows them to be aware and able to plan around the actions you take but doesn't seem to let them defend themselves.

Aha! We should probably retain a FoYL usage in case we do this then, and note down on the bit of the plan about TSS that we'll use it?

DeadmanwalkingXI · Oct 18, 2023

Skippy said:
Fair enough in that case. I was thinking IF might eyeball it as being like, a hundred Stoked Dice, in which case thirty is a significant enough decrease to be concerned about.

Yeah, I was also concerned and asked if it was a specific number or arbitrary on Discord. He said it was arbitrary.

Skippy said:
Aha! We should probably retain a FoYL usage in case we do this then, and note down on the bit of the plan about TSS that we'll use it?

That is, in fact, in the plan already.

TehChron · Oct 18, 2023

[X] Plan Weathering The Storm

TheCount · Oct 18, 2023

Imperial Fister said:
However, as the twin halves of spectral spear fall away, not all is as it should be. Rather then collapse in a shower of fading orthstirr—like it should have—the spear instead decides to explode. A swarm of death-seeking spikes leap free of their spear home as they scream towards you.

Oh, he has more two stage tricks, neat.
...we should get some too, they are good.

Imperial Fister said:
That mist ball move of his is one good fucking trick, that's for damn well sure. How in all the worlds did he do that? And, now that you think about it, that first spiky spear of his did the same thing! That's the sort of thing you'd expect to see from a... Martial Style...

Oho... So, this is what you meant that hugr 10 "greases the wheels"?
Or it's just a martial art style?
@Skippy would you put alloying one of the fire hugreidas with a weapon hugreida? I wanna see if we can do it.

Imperial Fister said:
However, before you can do that, you'll have to survive the next few seconds. Hundreds upon hundreds of Puncture-coated mist arrows thunder towards you. It takes less then a glance to realize that they're all tracking, too. Not as tracking as the spear-spikes, but enough to be a real pain.

Neat, truly neat.did he created this after hearing how Forkbeard died?

Alectai said:
I mean, it might legitimately be True Dragonbreath at that level of Stoked Dice.

The bloodline, its awakening!

On the plan, do we give Sageseeker the dice he asked? Because I would honestly give him at least double that.

So, just to make sure, Mire Ward will not be bypassed by puncture, right?

As for baiting out the extinguisher.... Is point blank Spark Bomb a viable idea?

Or do we just use the fast recalled SPs while we gorge on Engage so fire poker is guaranteed? Or the reverse?

Edit: forgot
[X] Plan Weathering The Storm

DeadmanwalkingXI · Oct 18, 2023

TheCount said:
On the plan, do we give Sageseeker the dice he asked? Because I would honestly give him at least double that.

We can give him more, sure. I'll make it 6.

TheCount said:
So, just to make sure, Mire Ward will not be bypassed by puncture, right?

It will not. This has been clarified a few times.

TheCount said:
As for baiting out the extinguisher.... Is point blank Spark Bomb a viable idea?

Or do we just use the fast recalled SPs while we gorge on Engage so fire poker is guaranteed? Or the reverse?

Due to the need to burn excess dice immediately we need to use the Fire Poker first, so we then try and finish him off with the Sparkbombs afterward.

The Lone badger · Oct 18, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Due to the need to burn excess dice immediately we need to use the Fire Poker first, so we then try and finish him off with the Sparkbombs afterward.

This could still be very dramatic, as long as the Norns can appreciate a little physical comedy.

(Utterly blinding spear of flame)
(The smoke shrouding where Hooknails was standing gradually clears, revealing him blackened and unsteady but still standing. The crowd gasps.)
Hooknails: "Not enough."
(half a dozen sparkbombs suddenly crash into him from behind, obscuring him from view again)

Mystic Pentagram · Oct 18, 2023

Incredible fight, its always exciting reading the action scenes of this quest.

[X] Plan Weathering The Storm

By the way, could't we use a bunch of Kindle Spinners to bait Hooknails in using Extinguish?

Some_guy_161 · Oct 18, 2023

[X] Plan Weathering The Storm

DeadmanwalkingXI · Oct 18, 2023

Mystic Pentagram said:
By the way, could't we use a bunch of Kindle Spinners to bait Hooknails in using Extinguish?

In theory yes, but we need to use the Fire Poker before anything else so we don't explode, so in practice he's gonna either use it on that or get burned to cinders.

Blademaster · Oct 18, 2023

aren't we limited in the amount of stoked dice we can have without getting a heart attack? getting suddenly hundreds of them might kill us

@Imperial Fister that would count as using the ice immediatly?

DeadmanwalkingXI · Oct 18, 2023

Blademaster said:
aren't we limited in the amount of stoked dice we can have without getting a heart attack? getting suddenly hundreds of them might kill us

@Imperial Fister that would count as using the ice immediatly?

We checked this with IF on Discord. We probably do take 1 Endurance loss for a minor heart attack from the current plan, but that's all.

Shine · Oct 18, 2023

It's only minor cardiac arrest.

Just walk it off, you nonce.

Blademaster · Oct 18, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
We checked this with IF on Discord. We probably do take 1 Endurance loss for a minor heart attack from the current plan, but that's all.

just making sure it won't also slow us. but if IF says thats fine thats good

Halla right now:"You can extinguish the fires of my tricks, but you will never extinguish the fires of my heart!"

fearsome hill · Oct 18, 2023

is there anything preventing hooknails from poking us for 1 damage and ending the stoking engage?

DeadmanwalkingXI · Oct 18, 2023

fearsome hill said:
is there anything preventing hooknails from poking us for 1 damage and ending the stoking engage?

He would have to enter melee to do that, since the whole point is that we can do this with all his ranged attacks. And would somehow need to do so while the ranged attacks were still happening. And get through all our defenses.

It's not completely impossible, but it's wildly unlikely and involves him diving into his own storm of blades.

And even then, all it does is either force us to restart our Stoking Engage (costing a minimal 13 Orthstirr) or make our Fire Poker weaker...it doesn't actually somehow let the other ranged attacks through or anything.

Bass11 · Oct 18, 2023

I have to say it's sort of good that most of the fighting is taking place in midair otherwise, we are wrecking Halfdan's farm a fair bit here.

Mystic Pentagram · Oct 18, 2023

Bass11 said:
I have to say it's sort of good that most of the fighting is taking place in midair otherwise, we are wrecking Halfdan's farm a fair bit here.

Halla: we did it guys! We saved the Valley!

*In the background half the Valley is in ruins and the other half is on fire*

Orbmorb · Oct 18, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
It's not completely impossible, but it's wildly unlikely and involves him diving into his own storm of blades.

He probably won't just sit there doing nothing though. Maybe include a contingency to hit him with a Stoking Strike if he does charge in part way through

[x] Plan Weathering The Storm

DeadmanwalkingXI · Oct 18, 2023

Orbmorb said:
He probably won't just sit there doing nothing though. Maybe include a contingency to hit him with a Stoking Strike if he does charge in part way through

I doubt he'll have time to do anything. The whole point of this tactic is that it happens very quickly indeed. A melee attack runs into the problem of Contested Movement, which he will use and win with unless we burn all Stoked Dice, which shuts down our ability to gain more of them with Stoking Engage. We're better off just defending ourselves with Halting Vortexes or Shields while continuing to parry arrows, and then unleashing the Fire Poker as planned.

Bass11 · Oct 18, 2023

How many shields do we have left?

DeadmanwalkingXI · Oct 18, 2023

Bass11 said:
How many shields do we have left?

8. We have only used 2.

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