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Or Idunn's apples might be just youth, and the gods have some other trick for extended lifespan

The gods Fated Day is Ragnarok, this is why they live so long. Their doom is already been written long ago.

Nah, IF has specified that Ragnarok is still to come, it just echoes backwards. Of course, the details of what that means are less clear...

Echoes? Have we seen any exemples of this "Echoes of Ragnarok" in the story yet? Because i don't remember any.
 
As Bass11 notes, fleinns are the main one...Baldur is still alive, but they gain their power from echoes of his eventual death.

So if Baldur is still alive, then Loki is still roaming free. I suppose the Aesir don't know he will plot Baldur murder, otherwise the whole thing would be pointless.

No they don't they get their power from being the thing that killed balder

Then from what? I don't remember any important fleinn in Ragnarok. Plenty of swords and spears, some axes and hammers. But no fleinns.
 
I wonder if Fated Days are a bit like quantum entanglement. The prediction of when you will die is created when you are born but it cannot actually be referenced until you actually die. Thinking of it that way let's me file it under "Weird science stuff I don't understand" rather than "Weird fantasy stuff that I should be able to understand".
 
So if Baldur is still alive, then Loki is still roaming free. I suppose the Aesir don't know he will plot Baldur murder, otherwise the whole thing would be pointless.

We actually don't know the full situation there...maybe he's been imprisoned preemptively? Maybe he's free and they know the way things are supposed to go but can't change it by imprisoning him first? Maybe a lot of things.

Then from what? I don't remember any important fleinn in Ragnarok. Plenty of swords and spears, some axes and hammers. But no fleinns.

Baldur was killed by a dart made of mistletoe, per IF in this continuity that dart was a fleinn. Hence their ability to get through magical defenses.
 
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Summer 10/Revenge Raid 1
[X] Side with Dorri and mop up the foraging bands
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Silence chokes the shadow-cast, empty side hall you find yourself in—one of many in Dorri Rattlespear's hall. A thin trickle of smoke rises from the remains of a fallen friendly fire, its loss leaving you engulfed in the encroaching chill of the autumn season. A few leaves ride the gentle breeze through the open window. Your preparations stutter as one fluttering leaf alights upon your knee.

Pulling your boot strings taut and tucking them in, you lean back on the crate serving as your seat. Your eyes stay locked to the leaf as the same wind it rode in on plays with the loose strands of your hair. A frown crosses your face as a deep red lock flutters into view. You'll have to redo your hair before you go—wouldn't want to get it caught in combat, after all.

Regardless of the state of your hair, your thoughts linger on the red-hued leaf on your knee, cast adrift on its own.

Driving off the odd lump staking a claim in your throat, you brush away the leaf and rise to your feet. With one hand tightening your belt, the other gropes around for your helmet in the dim light of the hall. Distracted as you are, you only barely notice the wood creak announcing someone's arrival in the room.

"Halla," you freeze in your search just as your fingers find cold iron, the voice of your father filling your ears, "I've come to see you off, and to give you some advice."

Orientating towards the door, a large, rock spike-laden dog greets your gaze. Steinarr's fylgja licks its nose as he pads on over to you, his tail wagging gently in his wake. You return to the crate, brows furrowed and voice quiet as you attempt to make sense of your feelings.

"Did Solrun...?" Your voice lifts in a question as you trail off.

"I have a few days," Steinarr bobs his head as he takes a seat at your side. His soulful, doggy eyes are wet with sorrowful finality, "but, lets not talk about me. Right now, it's important that you know what you're going into."

You frown, something in his tone has you concerned, "You say that like you're not going to be there with me."

"Because I'm not," he affirms with a nod. "Someone has to stay behind to protect the hideout and I'm already there. I'm the logical choice."

As much as you may hate it, he's not wrong. Any reshuffling would take too much time and Steinarr is strong enough to take on a band by himself, like as not... Right?

"You, uh, you said you had some advice for me?"

"I did, yes," he says as he turns his head towards the sea, "You've adventured before and have fought large groups of people, but that's not the same as this. I don't know what you and Dorri and the others have decided upon, but if you wind up in mass combat, you need to know some things." He takes a deep breath before continuing, the surreality of getting a lesson in combat from a dog is not lost on you, "The single most important thing to remember is that you will not have much of an idea of how the battle is going, not if you're on the ground. You'll be able to see your immediate surroundings, but that's generally not enough to tell the state of the greater battle. All you can do is focus on completing your objective. Whether that's merely surviving or making a name for yourself or what have you, focus your efforts on that while not overextending yourself."

"Are you telling me," you frown as your brows furrow, "to hold back?"

"Never," Steinarr vehemently shakes his head, doggy jowls waving around wildly, "All I'm saying is that you'll hit your limits far quicker then you expect, as battles are often long, drawn-out affairs. When that happens, you'll have no choice but to pull back else face your demise. It is important to marshal your strength so that you aren't exhausted when your friends need your help, or the enemy commander is vulnerable, or a breach is opening in the line."

"I see," you say as, for the first time in a long time, you have to rely on your memory alone to remember things. "Thank you for the advice, Dad."

Steinarr chuckles, "I'm not done just yet, Halla. I've got a lot more experience to impart."

You blink as a warm flush ignites upon your face, "Oh."

"Though you are called Skyfire, you probably should stay on the ground," Steinarr carries on like nothing happened. "Fliers are some of the first to fall in the beginning of a battle, in my experience, given that everyone is fresh and full of fighting vigor with which to blast you from the sky. Wait until the route, when both sides are exhausted, to take flight and wreak havoc."

The rest of Steinarr's advice is less revelatory, but still useful. He mentions things like keeping your head on a swivel, taking care to avoid hitting the men to your left and right with your swings, and making sure that you don't advance too far from your friends, amongst other things. Simple stuff, but still good advice.

Eventually, the conversation peters off into silence. When, exactly, it started you don't know, but your hand rests upon Steinarr's doggy head as you run fingers through his craggy fur. You don't know what to say to him.

So you don't.

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The scouts report that there are a number of bands heading out from the raider's camp. The time has come for battle.

It seems there are four bands heading out, consisting of a hundred and ninety men in total. That leaves about forty men to guard the ships. Each of the four bands has different numbers, with the largest being sixty-five, the next numbing fifty-five, the third having forty, and the smallest counting thirty.

Dorri is going against the largest band, Logi is leading against the second largest, Framarr is leading against the third, and Folkmarr is in command against the smallest. A force of about forty is being left behind to protect Asvir, just in case.

Who are you (and your retainers) following?
[ ] Dorri
[ ] Logi
[ ] Framarr
[ ] Folkmarr
[ ] Stay behind

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AN: So I lied about not updating today, I guess.

15 minute moratorium.
 
How many dudes does Folkmarr have with him? He's probably the one who needs the most help, given his relative youth.

The other three forces are led by veterans, his is relatively green. More importantly, the weakest force is likely going to have a ringer there to mess things up.
 
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How many dudes does Folkmarr have with him?
Your side will all, generally, be mostly equal in size to the raiders. The Asvir defenders are also going to serve as a QRF or as reinforcements, should the situation require it.

You do, however, have both knowledge of the terrain and the raiders likely aren't going to expect you to go out and strike them down like this.
 
Hmm.

Yeah, I think we should tilt Folkmarr's group, it's noticeably weaker than the others, which seems to me that it's bait. If there's a ringer, it'll probably be there. If it isn't, then we can crush it and quickly move to support the other fields.
 
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We have, what, 6 dudes? in our squad, so we are effectively a larger size group compared to the rest on the squads if we go with Folkmarr as we are an extra 20% there, compared to an extra 10% with Dorri. Also there is Alectai's point that if any of them are gonna be a higher quality group, its gonna be the smallest one
 
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It seems there are four bands heading out, consisting of a hundred and ninety men in total. That leaves about forty men to guard the ships. Each of the four bands has different numbers, with the largest being sixty-five, the next numbing fifty-five, the third having forty, and the smallest counting thirty.

Dorri is going against the largest band, Logi is leading against the second largest, Framarr is leading against the third, and Folkmarr is in command against the smallest. A force of about forty is being left behind to protect Asvir, just in case

Oh, bugger, look like I obviously misread Dorri's plan then.

I'd assumed we were going to concentrate forces against the raiders by sending one or two big forces to sweep up raiding parties one after the other and defeat them in detail.

This is pitting us against equivalent numbers in a bunch of fair fights, then inviting a counterattack by the guys on the ships whilst we're tired and spread out. Bugger.

Logo's plan was better after all, compared to this, I think.

@Imperial Fister, any chance we can alter this plan, send out two bigger forces rather than four small ones?
 
[X] Framarr

Small enough that we still get a great share of the glory, and Folkmarr won't get mad that we're stealing his thunder.
 
@Imperial Fister, any chance we can alter this plan, send out two bigger forces rather than four small ones?
Absolutely! I'm not in the best headspace for tactical thinking right now so I just went with the first idea I had. Concentrating force like that would absolutely be something Dorri would do.
 
Ehh, when your strength is derived directly from glory getting into fights with numerically even goes makes sense, especially since we know that their real heavy hitters are staying with the ship, so by the time those guys show up the people of the valley will likely be stronger than they were at the start.
 
Absolutely! I'm not in the best headspace for tactical thinking right now so I just went with the first idea I had. Concentrating force like that would absolutely be something Dorri would do.

It means that the two forces we leave unattached get to raid unobstructed for a bit, which will really suck for the farms they attack, but... that's war. If we lose outright, or even if just one or two of our response forces get minced and we end up with a pyrrhic victory ... it will be worse for the valley. Hard decisions and all that.

Given we face probable inferiority quantitatively or qualitatively - Dorri's words about us only matching their numbers by enlisting boys to fight come to mind - we need to concentrate forces and achieve local superiority, I think.

So yeah, if other players agree I'd suggest amending it so there's one big forces under Dorri and one under Logi, aiming to catch the foraging parties and annihilate them, plus the reserve in Asvir.

Maybe Folkmarr and Framarr would be leading small scouting forces, to locate the foraging parties so our response forces can hit them by surprise before they can link up? That's the sorta job you give to younger men seeking glory, and it preserves the vote structure you've got.
 
[X] Dorri
-[X] Have Folkmarr and Frammar lead scouting groups to follow the 2 smaller grouos, while Dorri and Logi take large groups to crush the larger enemy groups. Then swing round and wipe out the 2 smaller groups with aid from the scouts in finding them.
 
Maybe Folkmarr and Framarr would be leading small scouting forces, to locate the foraging parties so our response forces can hit them by surprise before they can link up? That's the sorta job you give to younger men seeking glory, and it preserves the vote structure you've got.
Works for me, but it looks like AeonIlluminate has it in hand!
 
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