Khaos
Baguette, wine and cheese
I guess it makes more sense if the hypothetical killer thinks there won't be an autopsy
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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And assumes they haven't done exactly that themselves. Lahmians steal spells from other vampires all the time.
Sinsystems
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Immediately triggered matrix while alone with the Tsar would be made to look as if it was specifically vampiric Dhar-version:
So the plan with immediately triggered matrix while alone with the Tsar is the way to 100% it, leaving no mundane evidence while arranging undisputable hidden Dhar-tainted-looking, Lahmian-pointing magic evidence, exactly as Boris would prefer the best.
And that's the reason to try it over the less risky, simpler version. Mathilde is the Grey Lord Magister, she is skillful and capable, both in execution of such things and in managing accompanying risks and complications, 100%-ing this is worth it.
Edit: spelling, grammar, need to go to sleep already.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
[X] Plan: Nighttime Heart Attack
I do have to ask: Somebody mentioned us being interrupted doing something weird to the Tzar and deciding to kill him and bug out in a Lahmian fashion would be an excellent plan B. Would we take advantage of that sort of serendipity, though?
It's sort of like when the character hits a combo the players didn't know about.
I do have to ask: Somebody mentioned us being interrupted doing something weird to the Tzar and deciding to kill him and bug out in a Lahmian fashion would be an excellent plan B. Would we take advantage of that sort of serendipity, though?
It's sort of like when the character hits a combo the players didn't know about.
I think the question is how much do we expect someone to poke and can we make is so the answer to each layer is vampires. Here us an example of the Matrix plan
0. Superficial Scrutiny, just look at the body with the Mark 1 Eyeball and no medical training
If the Dagger does not come out: Heart Attack. I expect that in this case Boris would poke more at the investigation so he can find the magic and thus vampires
If the Dagger does come out: Magic... might be vampires (or Chaos, or Skaven or a boyar with a pet wizard, but nothing rules out vampires)
1. Some Scrutiny, bring a priest of Ursun or the like
Sees all the Ulgu around: Magic of a sort that is known to be favored by the Sisterhood... it is probably vampires
2. Deep Scrutiny, have an autopsy, study the spell residue, the works
A shard o Ulgu ripped its way out of Vlad's chest: Ritual Curse... it is probably vampires
3. Absurdly deep Scrutiny, have someone look for obscure magical techniques on neighboring countries bring in Kislevite Sherlock Holmes
Hey the Imperials can do it (and so can vampires): Matrix, it is almost certainly vampires since we would not accuse our good friends
I do not expect layer two to happen, even less layer three, but it it does we have some cover. Now let's look at the other plan
0. Superficial Scrutiny, just look at the body with the Mark 1 Eyeball and no medical training
They might legitimately miss the lack of entry into the clothes. Sure Boris could point it out, but that is a bit of attention on him
1. Some Scrutiny, bring a priest of Ursun or the like
Sees all the Ulgu around: Magic of a sort that is known to be favored by the Sisterhood... it is probably vampires
2. Deep Scrutiny, have an autopsy, study the spell residue, the works
Sees the entry wound calculates the angle etc.. of the dagger made out of something that does not cut clothes... Ulgu since they will also see the stuff in the air. But this was an oddly sloppy vampire
3. Absurdly deep Scrutiny, have someone look for obscure magical techniques on neighboring countries; bring in Kislevite Sherlock Holmes
Puts things together, knows what Mockery of Death is: There is no logical reason why a magician capable of casting the FC spell Shadow Knives who had access to the Tsar unconscious would even use a knife is they wanted it to look natural, they could have just used a pillow... shit is weird
Again I think the stab is fine I do not expect layer 2 to happen much less 3, Boris has no reason to go that deep and he will be in charge, but if it does happen somehow the Matrix plan has more cover. Also there is a small ding at level 0
0. Superficial Scrutiny, just look at the body with the Mark 1 Eyeball and no medical training
If the Dagger does not come out: Heart Attack. I expect that in this case Boris would poke more at the investigation so he can find the magic and thus vampires
If the Dagger does come out: Magic... might be vampires (or Chaos, or Skaven or a boyar with a pet wizard, but nothing rules out vampires)
1. Some Scrutiny, bring a priest of Ursun or the like
Sees all the Ulgu around: Magic of a sort that is known to be favored by the Sisterhood... it is probably vampires
2. Deep Scrutiny, have an autopsy, study the spell residue, the works
A shard o Ulgu ripped its way out of Vlad's chest: Ritual Curse... it is probably vampires
3. Absurdly deep Scrutiny, have someone look for obscure magical techniques on neighboring countries bring in Kislevite Sherlock Holmes
Hey the Imperials can do it (and so can vampires): Matrix, it is almost certainly vampires since we would not accuse our good friends
I do not expect layer two to happen, even less layer three, but it it does we have some cover. Now let's look at the other plan
0. Superficial Scrutiny, just look at the body with the Mark 1 Eyeball and no medical training
They might legitimately miss the lack of entry into the clothes. Sure Boris could point it out, but that is a bit of attention on him
1. Some Scrutiny, bring a priest of Ursun or the like
Sees all the Ulgu around: Magic of a sort that is known to be favored by the Sisterhood... it is probably vampires
2. Deep Scrutiny, have an autopsy, study the spell residue, the works
Sees the entry wound calculates the angle etc.. of the dagger made out of something that does not cut clothes... Ulgu since they will also see the stuff in the air. But this was an oddly sloppy vampire
3. Absurdly deep Scrutiny, have someone look for obscure magical techniques on neighboring countries; bring in Kislevite Sherlock Holmes
Puts things together, knows what Mockery of Death is: There is no logical reason why a magician capable of casting the FC spell Shadow Knives who had access to the Tsar unconscious would even use a knife is they wanted it to look natural, they could have just used a pillow... shit is weird
Again I think the stab is fine I do not expect layer 2 to happen much less 3, Boris has no reason to go that deep and he will be in charge, but if it does happen somehow the Matrix plan has more cover. Also there is a small ding at level 0
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AzrielIlluminare
Mothman Cultist
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- They/Them
[X] Plan: Nighttime Heart Attack
Man, I was rereading the drycha fight, and it occurs to me that Mathilde has run into a weirdly high amount of intrusive magical thoughts. Stone being an insulator, the bits in that fight about the forest not being friendly to athel loren, the Bird injecting memories of its speech into her. Any other examples people remember? Because I'm starting to think we should be wearing a tin foil hat to keep stuff out lol.
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Constantly thinking of Helga as Borek's widow, which Mathilde noticed and thought could be influenced by the Ancient Widow.
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- Somewhere between the stars
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- She/Her
Mathilde is, despite being a wizard kinda weirdly used to channeling Gods? I presume an narrative effect of the Avatar trait. So her having random intrusive thoughts from the trait we voted for isn't that weird i think. As long, as it's kept to friendly Gods, and not Gork the Morking 2 should generally be fine, and mostly helpfull.
Does make me really wonder how Loec channeling would feel. Or elven gods in general, given their "always channeled" idea that Elves have about them.
Does make me really wonder how Loec channeling would feel. Or elven gods in general, given their "always channeled" idea that Elves have about them.
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- Lansing, MI
Some of the options back in Sylvania were pretty obviously Dhar-influenced (option to start murdering the officers who "failed" Abelhelm, for example)
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- Chicago
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Well, not really. It's possible, but it's not included in the plan that is winning.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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The time during the mining of Drakenhof castle, when Mathilde had a Dhar-caused nightmare:
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
I'll note that, despite what people have been saying, there probably will be externally visible signs of something going on with the shadow knife matrix. Internal bleeding leaves signs you can see from the outside (swelling and massive discolouration, if I remember correctly), and a shadow knife going off inside someone is going to cause a lot of internal bleeding if it's not an instant kill (and maybe even if it is). Note that this isn't a bad thing necessarily, as it means a closer investigation of the body is more likely, but it does mean 'looks like natural causes at first glance' likely doesn't apply.
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Internal bleeding does happen for natural reasons too though. Someone without medical training who sees a corpse with no obvious holes in it is going to think 'eh, they just keeled over dead, happens sometimes, hope he wasn't sick'.
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[X] Plan: Nighttime Heart Attack
The issue imo with just the shadow knife stab is that "oh but the clothing wasn't touched!" doesn't quite seem to fit the stretch goal. A "heart attack" that gets revealed with a not gauranteed autopsy is more in line.
The issue imo with just the shadow knife stab is that "oh but the clothing wasn't touched!" doesn't quite seem to fit the stretch goal. A "heart attack" that gets revealed with a not gauranteed autopsy is more in line.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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True, though I imagine the internal bleeding from a shadow knife will likely be significantly more extensive (spread over a larger area, at minimum, is what I'd expect) than what you'd get from naturally caused internal bleeding. Enough that it doesn't really change what I said- that it'd get people looking at it.
[X] Nighttime Visit With Style
I'd rather keep it simple(r) and less risky.
I'd rather keep it simple(r) and less risky.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Gotrek's widow.
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[x] Plan: Nighttime Heart Attack
So then the ideal construction would be to use magic, but kill leaving no traces simulating natural causes, but take care to make it appear as if it was due to hidden unknown vampiric matrix spell, arranging it to be discovered?
Probably not much place for a new plan this far into voting, especially when the race is so tight, but for the sake of discussion and maybe approval voting it could be something like this:
[X] Plan: Nighttime Completion
-[X] Sneak into the Tzar's room when he is sleeping alone. Use Mockery of Death on him. Implant him with a Matrix loaded with Sleep, setting the Matrix off immediately. Asphyxiate the Tzar to death in his mockery sleep, leaving no mundance evidence. Remove Ulgu traces to the extent it is possible, except for traces of the Matrix, making sure they are discoverable and making them appear as if it was Dhar-tainted vampiric version.
*Matrix with Sleep just cause it needs a spell inside.
Satisfies both Boris' conditions:
The plan leaves no mundane evidence and could only be done with magic.
And it leaves Lahmian-pointing evidence in the form of Dhar-looking Matrix traces. As if the Tsar was set up to appear to have died from natural causes by killing him during sleep by an unknown vampiric silent killing spell, presumably implanted during the day or even several days ago, set to go off remotely and when the killer is no longer around, so that no one would suspect a thing. Suitably Lahmian, except for assumed slight slip-up of vampiric Matrix traces, exactly as requested.
The conceivable failure mode would be if no magical examination would take place to discover the Matrix traces, but with
a) this being an unexpected death of a healthy and very active head of state, so definitely needing a check,
b) relatively recent vampire-related disturbances in the realm, and
c) the heir having suitably good relations with both the priesthood, hag and ice witches,
a priest, a hag witch or an ice witch or any combination of them would definitely check the Tsar's body and find them.
The plan aims to 100% Boris' conditions, relying on Mathilde's sufficient Grey Wizard Lord skills and capabilities to execute it and manage its risks and complications.
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Still approval voting for the current leading matrix plan.
[X] Plan: Nighttime Heart Attack