Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Well, there's been one.
But yes, this sounds exactly like something she'd do.
Yeah that could work as a plan B if we are discovered.
On one hand, i would love to frame Gabriella von Ernachthafen of assassinating the Tsar. Just for the memes.
On the other hand it could become a potential problem for our friend the Empress.
On the other hand her face when she is told that SHE assasinated the Tsar would be priceless.
Hey now, Gabriella von Nachthafen, evil Lahmian and later assumed identity of our good friend is someone entirely different from the mysterious, wicked yet fascinating Gabriella von Ernachthafen. They have practically nothing in common, except that they are both definitely real people.
- Location
- Finland
[X] Nighttime Visit With Style
-[X] Use Mockery of Death so there is no sign of struggle, then stab him in the heart with a Shadow Knife. Leave the room by Substance of Shadows or Smoke and Mirrors, leaving behind an unnaturally quiet death.
All the matrix shenanigans feel like a pointless complication and unnecessary risk.
-[X] Use Mockery of Death so there is no sign of struggle, then stab him in the heart with a Shadow Knife. Leave the room by Substance of Shadows or Smoke and Mirrors, leaving behind an unnaturally quiet death.
All the matrix shenanigans feel like a pointless complication and unnecessary risk.
- Location
- Brazil
[X] Plan: Nighttime Heart Attack
[X] Plan: Spontaneous Heart Attack
We are so overqualified for this that killing the Tsar is a given so we may as well put some effort to make sure the evidence exists, instead of assuming people will jump on the idea a perfectly executed murder could only be possible with magic.
Also bit of a tangent but do we count as the caster for spells inside MMM ? I am wondering if we could mindhole someone into forgetting themselves.
[X] Plan: Spontaneous Heart Attack
We are so overqualified for this that killing the Tsar is a given so we may as well put some effort to make sure the evidence exists, instead of assuming people will jump on the idea a perfectly executed murder could only be possible with magic.
Also bit of a tangent but do we count as the caster for spells inside MMM ? I am wondering if we could mindhole someone into forgetting themselves.
- Location
- Chicago
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- She/They
I mean, the heart attack plan will work, it's just a lot riskier than a quick in and out, plus it's less likely to actually be identified as magic.
I get doing it for reasons of Mathilde being self-satisfied, but it's really worse on all the relevant metrics.
Because he doesn't actually know that an autopsy is needed to get his evidence? Because his dad dying is enough to point the finger at those with a motive, the rest is a nice to have, so if the tsar dies without any external reason he's going to assume that the kill was done with magic- but he's not going to have any reason to think that an autopsy would reveal the cause of death any more than an examination of the outside of the body.
It was done with magic, after all, and why would magic leave a mark inside if it didn't leave one outside?
Again, the whole plan hinges on Boris ordering an autopsy, and he might not.
Single point of failure.
Doesn't mockery of death make the target appear dead to cursory examination?
Would be really ironic if there is a servant who sees him and runs out screaming that the tsar has been killed, when we were only 1/2 way through the matrix.
I get doing it for reasons of Mathilde being self-satisfied, but it's really worse on all the relevant metrics.
Because he doesn't actually know that an autopsy is needed to get his evidence? Because his dad dying is enough to point the finger at those with a motive, the rest is a nice to have, so if the tsar dies without any external reason he's going to assume that the kill was done with magic- but he's not going to have any reason to think that an autopsy would reveal the cause of death any more than an examination of the outside of the body.
It was done with magic, after all, and why would magic leave a mark inside if it didn't leave one outside?
Again, the whole plan hinges on Boris ordering an autopsy, and he might not.
Single point of failure.
Doesn't mockery of death make the target appear dead to cursory examination?
Would be really ironic if there is a servant who sees him and runs out screaming that the tsar has been killed, when we were only 1/2 way through the matrix.
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unObservant
Just drifting along, really
- Location
- USA
[X] Plan: Nighttime Heart Attack
No, they are still breathing, it is a death-like sleep not actual death.
Sinsystems
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I disagree that it is less likely to be identified as magic, as unlike the other options it will leaves some magic residue inside the body and a method of death that can only happen through magic once it is discovered.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
No, it makes them appear like an actual corpse. They're still alive, but not visibly.
Yeah, we would be literally pouring Ulgu into this body to make a pseudo-enchantment. The only way that does not get spotted is if no one with magesight ever takes a look at the body
Considering the wording of Mindhole and Magic Alarm, I'd expect "you" to be the same for both of them:
And from prior WoB, we know an MMM Alarm counts the caster as the relevant "you":
So a Matrix Mindhole would still probably remove memories of the actual caster, not the person it was cast on/in.
Somic
It's meow or never
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(cw: kinda graphic) If the knife messes up the lungs, and the Tzar is still breathing (if not feeling anything), will there be blood in his mouth? Even the fastest death from a knife on a random trajectory through the chest won't be instant.
That's spooky magic alright.
That's spooky magic alright.
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- Chicago
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- She/They
Oh, yeah, there's that too:
Assumption 3: the shadowknife/matrix combo won't leave him alive but wounded.
Given the wounds that people take and recover from while in combat in this world, it seems like a poor random angle might exit the chest without actually hitting anything vital.
A shadowdagger can be reliably targeted.
Assumption 3: the shadowknife/matrix combo won't leave him alive but wounded.
Given the wounds that people take and recover from while in combat in this world, it seems like a poor random angle might exit the chest without actually hitting anything vital.
A shadowdagger can be reliably targeted.
The problem is you are addressing an argument no one made, we are not arguing no one will notice the intact clothes, the point is just stabbing him even with shadow might look like the Lahmian did not even try.
We are putting a knife inside his heart, he is not living unless he is a Space Marine.
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Somic
It's meow or never
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We can easily finish him off if he doesn't actually die, and have it look almost exactly like the visit with style but weirder (good in this case), what are you even worried about
This isn't quite true, though it is close:
- Location
- Chicago
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- She/They
It's a wound that looks exactly like a mundane knife. Seems like a magical blender inside the chest cavity without even an attempt at giving a plausible mundane cause of death is trying even less.
I'm worried about getting too cute and it biting us in the ass.
We have one plan that does what we need it to do, quietly and quickly.
We have a second plan that does almost exactly the same thing, but takes like twenty times as long, requires a lot more spellcasting, and requires a bit of luck for the extra effort to even be noticed.
I'm worried about getting too cute and it biting us in the ass.
We have one plan that does what we need it to do, quietly and quickly.
We have a second plan that does almost exactly the same thing, but takes like twenty times as long, requires a lot more spellcasting, and requires a bit of luck for the extra effort to even be noticed.
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Heck unless we get interrupted by someone with some means to see though illusion (good luck finding those in the palace of Tzar magic hater who is also not into religion) it could actually be helpful. All we need is an illusion of the typical Lahmian, you know pretty lady, pale, fangs, possibly hissing at the intrusion.
- Location
- Denmark
Unless you got a jade wizard on standby, you aren't surviving that.
- Location
- Chicago
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- She/They
Tsar gets hit with a single shadowknife. Critical hit. What are the chances of him surviving, if this were a combat?
Somic
It's meow or never
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It's a shadowknife. Y'know, the thing that ignores clothes, which is the entirety of the evidence of "this is magic" behind the style vote. If it doesn't fly out of the body, then it's a sudden death that's not very hard to discover as weird (blood in mouth might be a clue). If it does, it looks pretty much exactly like a shadowknife going in because it failed to bleed off enough momentum to stop it from leaving so there's only so much damage it could've done.