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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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Imperial Fister said:
Bjorney yawned as he rose from his food-induced coma.

It's rather curious, the bear thought to himself as he cast his gaze about the room, Food, no matter how delectable, has never tired me before, so what oddities occurred today?

As those thoughts trickled through Bjorney's mind, he suffered a jolt of shock as realization dawned, By Mimir's Beard, I'm thinking! Oh bother... The trouble this will bring.
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Bjorney the Pooh!

What a cutie
 
Alright, voting is now clos...

Actually, leaving it open. It's getting late and I should probably not do something as brain-pulsating as write before I try to sleep.
 
we are 21 successes from perfecting ember winged cloak, if this turn not updated yet then 16 only. do you think it might be worth it to dedicate more dice to it in the next few turns, in hopes we perfect it in the, say, next 2-3 turns? it might be incredibly valuable to have, especially with our Skyfire kenning. its basically indefinite flight

[X] Go talk to Skoll and Nainn

I kinda want to see the Skald. but priorities. first this, then shopping/rumors of trader
 
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Blademaster said:
we are 21 successes from perfecting ember winged cloak, if this turn not updated yet then 16 only. do you think it might be worth it to dedicate more dice to it in the next few turns, in hopes we perfect it in the, say, next 2-3 turns? it might be incredibly valuable to have, especially with our Skyfire kenning. its basically indefinite flight
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It includes this turn's advancement, so 21. And we want it but not super urgently. On average, we'll get it in the next year even with only 1d per turn invested...that seems like a fine timeline to me for the most part. We want it, but it's not ridiculously urgent.
 
Blademaster said:
we are 21 successes from perfecting ember winged cloak, if this turn not updated yet then 16 only. do you think it might be worth it to dedicate more dice to it in the next few turns, in hopes we perfect it in the, say, next 2-3 turns? it might be incredibly valuable to have, especially with our Skyfire kenning. its basically indefinite flight
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Dice we put into EWC are effectively quadrupled, so we could get it Perfected over the next 3-4 turns with a pretty modest investment. Unrestricted flight seems more valuable than putting more dice into tertiary things like Campfire or training multiple Glima/Fang or Silver-Tongue Tricks at the same time. Stuff like core stats, Stoker State, Slowing Slog, and Time Stands Still are higher on the priority list I think, but we could do 3d6 a turn pretty easily by making some cuts elsewhere.
 
Skippy said:
Dice we put into EWC are effectively quadrupled, so we could get it Perfected over the next 3-4 turns with a pretty modest investment. Unrestricted flight seems more valuable than putting more dice into tertiary things like Campfire or training multiple wrestling and Silver-Tongue Tricks at the same time.
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I mean...that only gets us there maybe two or three turns sooner? Do we need it two or three turns sooner? It's happening real soon either way.

Also, for the record, we have one more turn of multiple wrestling tricks and none of Silver-Tongue any time in the next few turns.
 
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We only need a few more dice, and we can probably divert it from more miscellanous things. Than as we complete EWC we can make up the difference by moving a dice or two those way
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I mean...that only gets us there maybe two or three turns sooner? Do we need it two or three turns sooner?
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possibly, and if its done right it can basically come at no cost. And if it gets it ready before the Vestfold trip than definetly important
 
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Blademaster said:
We only need a few more dice, and we can probably divert it from more miscellanous things. Than as we complete EWC we can make up the difference by moving a dice or two those way
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Looking at it again, we can get it in, like, 4-5 turns at 1d per turn...that's just not long enough we need to rush it.

Blademaster said:
possibly, and if its done right it can basically come at no cost. And if it gets it ready before the Vestfold trip than definetly important
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We're getting it before Vestfold basically no matter what.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I mean...that only gets us there maybe two or three turns sooner? Do we need it two or three turns sooner?
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It's not so much whether we need it right this instant as a question of prioritisation. Ember-Winged Cloak is a core part of our schtick and more valuable than many other things we spend training dice on each turn, so dice should be removed from those things and transferred tomorrow valuable things. I'm not saying we stop researching Skill-Tricks, Utility Tricks, wrestling, social tricks, and so on, but we should keep it within a more manageable slice of our training dice budget. Work on a few tertiary skills at a time, not ten or twelve at a time.

Now I think we've definitely moved a lot in the right direction with making larger consolidated investments in stats and so on, so I don't want to be Mr Grumpy Pants or anything.
 
Skippy said:
It's not so much whether we need it right this instant as a question of prioritisation. Ember-Winged Cloak is a core part of our schtick and more valuable than many other things we spend training dice on each turn, so dice should be removed from those things and transferred tomorrow valuable things. I'm not saying we stop researching Skill-Tricks, Utility Tricks, wrestling, social tricks, and so on, but we should keep it within a more manageable slice of our training dice budget. Work on a few tertiary skills at a time, not ten or twelve at a time.

Now I think we've definitely moved a lot in the right direction with making larger consolidated investments in stats and so on, so I don't want to be Mr Grumpy Pants or anything.
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I think this is the wrong way to look at it.

If EWC is gonna hit Perfected in 4-5 turns anyway at 1d per turn (and it likely is), then trying to do it quicker is not reprioritizing things from other stuff to EWC because EWC will look the same either way by the end. It's effectively spending dice on making it happen sooner. It has no other benefit...therefore, we should only do it if that result (it happening sooner) is worth spending the dice.

Sometimes, it 100% is worth it to invest in things happening sooner, because it would take too long without spending multiple dice. Heck, that's even often true these days given all the high level stuff. Like, if we were not gonna hit Perfected in EWC before Vestfold or our next trip I'd be all-in on investing more heavily in it. But anything that takes less than a year when we have a quiet year coming up? I don't think that's worth burning dice on speed.
 
But we also can't just assume we'll have a quiet year, the enemy could always spring a trap on us or we could get caught in hostilities with that Steelfather who's coming for our home sooner rather than later. When big upgrades are available with minimal dice investment from less useful tricks/skills, we should make the jump and catch up on the less useful tricks at a slower pace.
 
Rah13 said:
But we also can't just assume we'll have a quiet year, the enemy could always spring a trap on us or we could get caught in hostilities with that Steelfather who's coming for our home sooner rather than later. When big upgrades are available with minimal dice investment from less useful tricks/skills, we should make the jump and catch up on the less useful tricks at a slower pace.
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IF has stated out of character that we have a quiet year coming up unless we go looking for trouble. But also...EWC being Perfected is amazing, but not really for small-scale combats. Its cost in combat is just...not actually that relevant over the course of a few turns? It being free is super great for out of combat uses or prolonged fights, and decent even in shorter combats, but nothing that great in the kind of small fights we're likely to wind up in (where small here means number of turns and enemies, not necessarily power level).

Like...I want EWC at Perfected as much as anyone (because it's awesome and the non-combat uses are ridiculous), but in most fights, all that does is save us 1 Capacity and less than 20 Orthstirr. That's nice, but not controlling.
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The question I'm interested in is whether we continue investing in either Halting Vortex or Semi-Halting Vortex from here. We just hit Mastered there on HV and I dunno if we want to aim for Perfected. Or for Mastered on SHV. Both are potentially good, but in specific contexts. And going for Perfected in particular is not cheap.
 
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