NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

Shard · Aug 31, 2023

Speaking of which, Soulsight, Sundersight and Shroudsight are all neck-and-neck at this point!

That's close enough that good arguments could possibly sway a few voters to one of the three over the other two.

(Personally I'm still a little split between Soulsight and Sundersight. Soulsight seems real good for Odr experimentation..)

DeadmanwalkingXI · Aug 31, 2023

Skippy said:
I mean, that's true, but also, we do live in a Xianxia setting.

We can train in a secret waterfall underneath a mountain, or go on a quest to the ruins of sunken Atlantis, or make a pact with a dragon or a god, or some other wild shit, and get our own Even More Ultimate Technique Which Totally Conceptually Beats Your Ultimate Technique In Playground Fights.

Secret techniques which can kill immortals are basically like a Domino's meal deal in Xianxia settings, including getting Two for Tuesdays.

I mean, it's presented by Blackhand as a real problem we need to find a way around. There aren't an unlimited number of ways to take out a Steelfather, though they obviously do exist.

Skippy said:
Okay, our secret weapon against Steefathers being a funnel and the power of Brazillian Ju-Jitsu is actually hilarious, I'm canonising this.

(I have no actual power to do so, but still, it's canon as far as I'm concerned.)

But yes, this is 100% how I want to kill Steelfathers. It sounds so awesome.

Blademaster said:
oh yeah obviously we can't betray Eric forgot about him. we obviously need to get stronger and figure out how to kill Corpsemaker before the war comes
seriously though, I hope Corpsemaker makes a good decision then. not impossible, if our chances of winning are as bad as it seems, he might just decide to turn sides too(unless he has some relation to the king but if the king is a usurper its quite possible he doesn't)

Corpsemaker has probably sworn some sort of oath, but I'm not actually sure.

Shard said:
Eitr is one of the few things which can prematurely end the quest early, so we should avoid messing with it.

That's fair. But I really want to do the 'pour it down their throat' thing...maybe we can buy some. Or just collect it if abysslings ever attack...that's gonna happen someday.

Shard said:
Also we would have to actually beat a Steelfather in combat before actually trying to permakill them, and they start at Steinarr level deadliness.

So we should work on getting there first.

I mean, there's a reason I'm talking about Sigurdr, not Halla, here...this is a far future idea, not a near term one.

Blademaster · Aug 31, 2023

I guess with enough power you could kill a steelfather... even if the amount is batshit crazy. like, I assume that if Thor just decides "I smite steelfather" then he smites steelfather and steelfather dies. he IS Thor.

which is a pretty high bar, obviously. great gods, maybe beings like Charlemagne?

DeadmanwalkingXI · Aug 31, 2023

Blademaster said:
I guess with enough power you could kill a steelfather... even if the amount is batshit crazy. like, I assume that if Thor just decides "I smite steelfather" then he smites steelfather and steelfather dies. he IS Thor.

which is a pretty high bar, obviously. great gods, maybe beings like Charlemagne?

I suspect that both of them have ways around the invulnerability, yes. I also suspect those ways are more than 'hit harder'.

I.F. Ister · Aug 31, 2023

Don't forget that Steelfathers are accompanied by a retinue of high-powered Ironmasks

Shard · Aug 31, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
That's fair. But I really want to do the 'pour it down their throat' thing...maybe we can buy some. Or just collect it if abysslings ever attack...that's gonna happen someday.

I mean I mostly feel like we are severely underestimating their regular, non-Curse-Of-Steel combat prowess if we think we can just force feed them primordial poison.

Like if we're at that point we should have already developed an alternate means of killing them - IF said that they existed (Methods that aren't Primordial Fire or The Weapon).

I personally think The Weapon is the embodiment of the mythic cycle of Ragnarok incidentally that underpins the whole Norse Saga.

Blademaster · Aug 31, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I mean, there's a reason I'm talking about Sigurdr, not Halla, here...this is a far future idea, not a near term one.

Halla should be able to equal or beat a steelfather at the Zenith of her power no? which is steel very far future but possible. obviously, killing is a different thing but she can at least make an attempt to find out

(now I imagine Halla just collecting steelfathers in some kind of horrific lab as she looks for ways to kill them. Blackhand could likely have done that)

Imperial Fister said:
Don't forget that Steelfathers are accompanied by a retinue of high-powered Ironmasks

if you are powerful enough to beat a steelfather, wrestle him, and force feed him Eitr, I would assume you are in position to worry about ironmasks, high powered or not

alexthealright · Aug 31, 2023

Blademaster said:
I guess with enough power you could kill a steelfather... even if the amount is batshit crazy. like, I assume that if Thor just decides "I smite steelfather" then he smites steelfather and steelfather dies. he IS Thor.

which is a pretty high bar, obviously. great gods, maybe beings like Charlemagne?

IF said that Stars and black holes wouldn't be enough, Charlemagne and Thor are pretty strong but I'm not sure they're enough

Skippy · Aug 31, 2023

alexthealright said:
This is all true but you have to remember that every Steelfather is also looking for those things and they seemingly haven't found it

Blackhand: "Sounds like a skill issue to me."

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
But yes, this is 100% how I want to kill Steelfathers. It sounds so awesome.

We will teach them to fear the armbar.

Blademaster · Aug 31, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I suspect that both of them have ways around the invulnerability, yes. I also suspect those ways are more than 'hit harder'.

most beings of that power likely do. but it is Thor we are talking about. usually , his way around everything is "hit harder"

alexthealright · Aug 31, 2023

Skippy said:
Blackhand: "Sounds like a skill issue to me."

They also have had centuries compared to Hallr's less than seventy years

Blademaster · Aug 31, 2023

alexthealright said:
They also have had centuries compared to Hallr's less than seventy

well, since Steelfathers do die sometimes, then some must have found those methods

alexthealright said:
IF said that Stars and black holes wouldn't be enough, Charlemagne and Thor are pretty strong but I'm not sure they're enough

when did he say that? must have missed it

DeadmanwalkingXI · Aug 31, 2023

Imperial Fister said:
Don't forget that Steelfathers are accompanied by a retinue of high-powered Ironmasks

Yeah, fair. We need our own posse to pull this stuff.

Shard said:
I mean I mostly feel like we are severely underestimating their regular, non-Curse-Of-Steel combat prowess if we think we can just force feed them primordial poison.

Like if we're at that point we should have already developed an alternate means of killing them - IF said that they existed (Methods that aren't Primordial Fire or The Weapon).

Again, I'm talking way into the future here, not any time soon...and if we develop another method we develop another method, but this one seems worth keeping in mind.

Blademaster said:
Halla should be able to equal or beat a steelfather at the Zenith of her power no? which is steel very far future but possible. obviously, killing is a different thing but she can at least make an attempt to find out

(now I imagine Halla just collecting steelfathers in some kind of horrific lab as she looks for ways to kill them. Blackhand could likely have done that)

Sure. But Halla's way of beating a Steelfather would likely not be wrestling. Hence talking about future generations.

Blademaster said:
most beings of that power likely do. but it is Thor we are talking about. usually , his way around everything is "hit harder"

Not exclusively. Thor is willing to be tricky when needed (see: the time he wore a dress).

Ryumancer · Aug 31, 2023

[X] Shroudsight: The ability to see through shrouds and disguises and all other kinds of lies

Blademaster · Aug 31, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Not exclusively. Thor is willing to be tricky when needed (see: the time he wore a dress).

true, which is why I said usually. but like, I think he can probably still kill them directly. he is Thor after all

DeadmanwalkingXI · Aug 31, 2023

Blademaster said:
true, which is why I said usually. but like, I think he can probably still kill them directly. he is Thor after all

Sure. I imagine Thor's trick for dealing with invulnerability is, like, a God-level Twist that negates it...but my point is that he needs a way around it, not just hitting harder in and of itself.

fearsome hill · Aug 31, 2023

Slightly silly question: how do i vote?

alexthealright · Aug 31, 2023

Blademaster said:
well, since Steelfathers do die sometimes, then some must have found those methods

when did he say that? must have missed it

On the discord I think

DeadmanwalkingXI · Aug 31, 2023

fearsome hill said:
Slightly silly question: how do i vote?

Copy and paste one of the options in the post but put an X in the [ ] rather than a space.

Or just copy and paste someone else's vote that you agree with.

fearsome hill · Aug 31, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Copy and paste one of the options in the post but put an X in the [ ] rather than a space.

thanks.

[X] Sundersight: The ability to look at something and gain an understanding of its weaknesses

Ysarsid · Aug 31, 2023

[X] Sundersight: The ability to look at something and gain an understanding of its weaknesses

Grytorm · Aug 31, 2023

I think Eitr is definitely a valid method of killing Steelfathers. But using it is risky. Specifically Imperial Fister said that drowning works but not drowning in water. As for Thor vs Steelfathers... I would make it so he couldn't kill them with raw strength but he would be strong enough to do irreparable damage such as dislocating joints.

Constenanto · Aug 31, 2023

I imagine Thor has a way to kill Steelfathers, given how IF has said his entire role is to be the one guy that can absolutely wreck anybody.

alexthealright · Aug 31, 2023

Constenanto said:
I imagine Thor has a way to kill Steelfathers, given how IF has said his entire role is to be the one guy that can absolutely wreck anybody.

His method could just be drowning them in Eitr

Blademaster · Aug 31, 2023

Grytorm said:
I think Eitr is definitely a valid method of killing Steelfathers. But using it is risky. Specifically Imperial Fister said that drowning works but not drowning in water. As for Thor vs Steelfathers... I would make it so he couldn't kill them with raw strength but he would be strong enough to do irreparable damage such as dislocating joints.

like, there are ways to kill Steelfathers. there are beings that can. first, we know they get killed, at times. so its possible. and like, god level beings can probably kill them, directly or indirectly

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