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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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Skippy said:
[X] Socialise with the Headsman and the group.
-[X] Float our proposal that everyone gets an equal share of the carcasses, and the wolf pelts from this hunt should be sold on our trading expedition, as they'd probably fetch a better price there.
-[X] We could either buy them for a fair price and keep the profit, or they could be a donation, with the grain bought from their proceeds going to the neediest families in the valley.
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Relatedly,

Might these parts not be a little presumptious? Wouldn't the better warriors be the ones who should get more carcasses? I think those two part about the Wolf Carcasses should be better-phrased. The part where we're basically trying to.. grab everyone, sort of?

Also, would it be too late to declare that we brought all our Meat-Keeping Sticks? To preserve the meat. Because a famine is coming.
 
Shard said:
Relatedly,

Might these parts not be a little presumptious? Wouldn't the better warriors be the ones who should get more carcasses? I think those two part about the Wolf Carcasses should be better-phrased. The part where we're basically trying to.. grab everyone, sort of?
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It's a bit late to change the phrasing since this isn't a plan vote. I'd presume Halla is diplomatic in her own phrasing.

Shard said:
Also, would it be too late to declare that we brought all our Meat-Keeping Sticks? To preserve the meat. Because a famine is coming.
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I was sort of assuming we did this and wouldn't need to specify it since we did, in fact, bring that up in the thread and they aren't exactly bulky.
 
Shard said:
Relatedly,

Might these parts not be a little presumptious? Wouldn't the better warriors be the ones who should get more carcasses? I think those two part about the Wolf Carcasses should be better-phrased. The part where we're basically trying to.. grab everyone, sort of?

Also, would it be too late to declare that we brought all our Meat-Keeping Sticks? To preserve the meat. Because a famine is coming.
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That's why it's a proposal. We're suggesting it, not presuming it.

By "shared equally" I meant it essentially as a shorthand for "shared according to whatever custom for sharing meat on hunts". It could probably be worded better, although equally this is a survival situation, so I think there's something to be said for sharing food equally.

The bit about the wolf pelts is literally the proposal we're making, either to buy them now for a fair price, or for them to be sold for the common good of the valley, so it does not make sense to change it? That would be changing the proposal itself.
 
Aw, this was sweet.
Kinda sad this was not memorable enough to get forge fire as a standalone hugreida but guess the dice have different plans for that.

Also Shadeclaw is a nice name. And Eyvor got a sister!
Even if Shadeclaw has similar views on kids as Sageseeker, this will be fun later on.

Good thing we only used frenzy for the runes and decorations, because Abjorn was very distracting :V
Orbmorb said:
I gotta know how you get the kerning Slippyshoes
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Obviously, by getting his foot in every door :V
That or he forgets to tie his shoes and they often go flying....
Shard said:
Is Realized Weapon and Armor inherently obvious, like would people who look at Sagaseeker or Shadeclaw nod and go 'yeah that's Realized alright', or does it 'just' look like fantastically good weapons/armor (ala T8 equipment)?
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Bling is kind of a giveaway, imo, because chances are, if it is blinged, it's probably realized.
 
Toboe said:
Hey Halla,
is it common to pass on (not realized) weapons in the family or do people usually take their weapon to the grave, with new generations getting new weapons made for them?
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You typically take your arms and armor to the grave, with new generations retrieving them if needed. 'If needed' can be for personal use in adventuring and duels and the like, but it can also be to serve as a reward for a deed done.
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Very nice!
Skippy said:
By "shared equally" I meant it essentially as a shorthand for "shared according to whatever custom for sharing meat on hunts".
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Standard policy when it comes to loot is that the loot from personal kills goes to the killer—unless the killer wants to donate to the group—with any loot gained from, say, a house being shared equally amongst the party.

In this case, as the message described, the loot policy is that furs and trophies go to the killer while meat goes to the group. Stomach contents also go to the killer, though any loot found in potential dens goes to the group. If a kill is shared and the killers are unable to hash out who-gets-what, then they may either duel over it, take the matter to court, or donate it to the group pool in exchange for sharable loot of equal equal value
 
[X] Socialise with the Headsman and the group.
-[X] Float our proposal that everyone gets an equal share of the carcasses, and the wolf pelts from this hunt should be sold on our trading expedition, as they'd probably fetch a better price there.
-[X] We could either buy them for a fair price and keep the profit, or they could be a donation, with the grain bought from their proceeds going to the neediest families in the valley.
 
Imperial Fister said:
Standard policy when it comes to loot is that the loot from personal kills goes to the killer—unless the killer wants to donate to the group—with any loot gained from, say, a house being shared equally amongst the party.

In this case, as the message described, the loot policy is that furs and trophies go to the killer while meat goes to the group. Stomach contents also go to the killer, though any loot found in potential dens goes to the group. If a kill is shared and the killers are unable to hash out who-gets-what, then they may either duel over it, take the matter to court, or donate it to the group pool in exchange for sharable loot of equal equal value
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That's good to know on the meat.

RE: Pelts, what the write-in is going for is that Halla is advocating for everyone including her to essentially abrogate their usual rights over the pelts, and receive compensation either financially or in prestige, in order to help with this big problem which is facing the whole valley. It's definitely not assuming that it's standard procedure to pool all the furs and sell them, this is definitely a bit out of left field, but then again this is an exceptional situation.

If we get one guy who goes "fuck you, I want a pelt for my wall", then fair enough, but my hope is maybe we'll get some of the other hunters to go along if we don't get all of them - it could maybe be better written to imply that, IDK, it's late.
 
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There's like 12 entire hours to come up with a new phrasing. It's hardly too late to make a new vote.

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Incidentally do we know what the Seeress did to earn her right to Seidr/Odr?
Blackhand seemingly earned the right to know Odr just from watching his dad die.

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Oh, wolfbone ashes would be really good for a weapon!

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
It's a bit late to change the phrasing since this isn't a plan vote. I'd presume Halla is diplomatic in her own phrasing.
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Skippy said:
If we get one guy who goes "fuck you, I want a pelt for my wall", then fair enough, but my hope is maybe we'll get some of the other hunters to go along if we don't get all of them - it could maybe be better written to imply that, IDK, it's late.
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IMO, if you feel or know that a vote is flawed you should create a new one, approval voting if you really feel the need to do so. Going into updates with a knowingly flawed vote when there was an opportunity to amend them would leave a sour taste, especially if the results are 'nothing' or even negative.

Also it would be better if instead of 'presume Halla was diplomatic', there was no need for presumption at all. Eliminate ambiguity instead of letting it bite us in the ass. Like as it reads to me the write-in is presumptive and insulting. As in the suggestion itself is presumption, and which we now know is irrelevant.

Like ig for the vote just put out feelers for buying out the wolf pelts from the hunt with our money. That seems like the best way of handling things if we really want wolf pelts.
 
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[] Socialise with the Headsman and the group.
-[] Float your plan on buying out wolf pelts from the hunt for a trading expedition.

Like this seems like the simplest and most straightforward way to get what we want out of the socialization actions, with minimum chance of insulting people or whatnot. Or, when you note the phrasing - It might even be better to buy out any wolf pelts from everyone else after the hunt is over, that way we know just how many pelts there are and their valuation instead of simply rushing into it, but then there's probably no room for such ideas after the hunt is over, unless Fister would confirm otherwise.
 
[] Socialise with the Headsman and the group.
-[] Float our proposal that everyone gets an equal share of the carcasses, and the wolf pelts from this hunt should be sold on our trading expedition, as they'd probably fetch a better price there.
-[] We could either buy them for a fair price and keep the profit, or they could be a donation, with the grain bought from their proceeds going to the neediest families in the valley.

^ Keeping the old wording of the vote in this post so people are free to swap over, but it won't go down in the tally.

EDIT: Swapping over to new draft.
Shard said:
IMO, if you feel or know that a vote is flawed you should create a new one, approval voting if you really feel the need to do so. Going into updates with a knowingly flawed vote when there was an opportunity to amend them would leave a sour taste, especially if the results are 'nothing' or even negative.

Also it would be better if instead of 'presume Halla was diplomatic', there was no need for presumption at all. Eliminate ambiguity instead of letting it bite us in the ass. Like as it reads to me the write-in is presumptive and insulting.

Like ig for the vote just put out feelers for buying out the wolf pelts from the hunt with our money. That seems like the best way of handling things if we really want wolf pelts.
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This is overstating things a bit I feel? I don't think it's that seriously flawed or I would have retracted it by now.

I think that proposing that we do it as as a group thing is worthwhile because that would actually be optimal. Given the whole valley is facing a famine, I also don't think it would be crazy to expect people would be willing to be altruistic here, especially when they stand to gain a lot of honour as generous gift-givers, which is a pretty big deal in Norse society.

But that being said; you raise a fair point, if we can eliminate some ambiguity then it make sense to do so:

[X] Socialise with the Headsman and the group.
-[X] Float our proposal that we should sell the wolf pelts on our trading expedition to Wessex, trading them for more grain, as they will fetch a higher price there.
-[X] Ideally, everyone can agree to club together and donate the pelts to purchase grain for those hit hardest by the bad harvest. If not, we're offering to buy any pelts that other hunters are willing to sell us from their shares for a fair price.
-[X] Use Silver-Tongue.
 
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It's also worth noting that we don't have any cachet whatsoever as a Trader, having not actually, well, traded stuff. That will influence how others view our proposal - negatively so.
 
[X]Socialise with the Headsman and the group.

-[X] Float your plan on buying out wolf pelts from the hunt for a trading expedition.

[X] Socialize with someone here
-[X]Folkmarr Manetaker
--[X] For maybe the first time, just a friendly chat without agenda
--[X] Finally get that story of how he earned Manetaker the he owes us from long ago.
 
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That's true, but we have been operating a farm for a while, which means doing business with our neighbours, and our dad is one of the most respected men in the valley.

Also, the idea that selling furs in a region without many furs is liable to be profitable isn't that out there as a concept; it's not like we're trying to get them to agree to Credit Default Swaps or anything. It mostly comes down to do they trust Halla, I think, and I think our credit there is fairly good?
 
Shard said:
It's also worth noting that we don't have any cachet whatsoever as a Trader, having not actually, well, traded stuff. That will influence how others view our proposal - negatively so.
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Probably not hugely. This is a situations where 'get a good deal' is secondary to 'acquire a giant boatload of food' and the second is not all that hard to achieve even for an amateur. If we were trumpeting about vast profits our lack of experience would cause a big problem but 'we're gonna buy food' is less experience dependent.

Like, I agree it'll probably hit us with a negative, but probably not a very big one.
 
[X] Socialise with the Headsman and the group.
-[X] Float our proposal that we should sell the wolf pelts on our trading expedition to Wessex, trading them for more grain, as they will fetch a higher price there.
-[X] Ideally, everyone can agree to club together and donate the pelts to purchase grain for those hit hardest by the bad harvest. If not, we're offering to buy any pelts that other hunters are willing to sell us from their shares for a fair price.
-[X] Use Silver-Tongue.

[X] Socialize with someone here
-[X]Folkmarr Manetaker
--[X] For maybe the first time, just a friendly chat without agenda
--[X] Finally get that story of how he earned Manetaker the he owes us from long ago.
 
[X] Socialise with the Headsman and the group.
-[X] Float our proposal that everyone gets an equal share of the carcasses, and the wolf pelts from this hunt should be sold on our trading expedition, as they'd probably fetch a better price there.
-[X] We could either buy them for a fair price and keep the profit, or they could be a donation, with the grain bought from their proceeds going to the neediest families in the valley.

[X] Socialise with the Headsman and the group.
-[X] Float our proposal that we should sell the wolf pelts on our trading expedition to Wessex, trading them for more grain, as they will fetch a higher price there.
-[X] Ideally, everyone can agree to club together and donate the pelts to purchase grain for those hit hardest by the bad harvest. If not, we're offering to buy any pelts that other hunters are willing to sell us from their shares for a fair price.
-[X] Use Silver-Tongue.

I'll ditch the initial wording when and if we get enough people on the new one.

EDIT: Looking at it, I think going with just the new wording works at this point.
 
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Should we shove training dice into Silver Tongue and/or Hugr for more dice there when we go and trade?

Identify Concept is going to do a lot of heavy lifting here.
 
Shard said:
Should we shove training dice into Silver Tongue and/or Hugr for more dice there when we go and trade?

Identify Concept is going to do a lot of heavy lifting here.
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Realistically, we're not getting Hugr up in time. Trying for Silver-Tongue 4 would potentially be worth it, though, if we want to reassign the dice. That likely either winds up delaying a bunch of stuff or potentially delaying Fylgja a turn, though. Might still be worth it, I'll take a look at the numbers. EDIT: I managed to scare up a couple of dice without too much in the way of issues or delaying anything urgent. We can probably hit Silver-Tongue 4 all things considered.

Or we could burn Reward Dice, of course. 2 Reward Dice and it's handled. That's probably not worth it for +1d on the roll, though. We could just add them directly to the negotiation roll instead, after all.

Toboe said:
Maybe also try for a trade/negotiate trick?
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A bargaining Trick isn't impossible, but Goal-Tell and First Impression already do a fair amount of lifting in that regard, and trying to get a new Trick in a single turn has the same issue as trying to raise Silver-Tongue only more so since it requires more successes. Unless someone spends Reward Dice on it, of course (3 would do the job for sure)...getting this immediately might actually be worth the Reward Dice. I'd be willing to throw a Reward Die at it if that'll get it to 3 Reward Dice (ie: if other people will throw in two Reward Dice total).
 
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Bass11 said:
Is your refreshable die in play here?
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It is not. I already used it earlier (on locking in Traits on our next kid). That still leaves me with 3, and I'd be willing to spend one towards a bargaining Trick if others are willing to do the same. I'm not willing to burn all 3 and burning any is kinda pointless if we don't get it next turn since we'll have enough time to raise it with standard Training Dice before our next trading run after this one.

Like, conventional investment in such a Trick before we go trading next would make sense even if we can't get it next turn, but Reward Dice only make sense if we want it right now, and thus only if we're burning several of them, IMO.
 
TheCount said:
Iirc, he needed to kill the killer of Solrun's father...
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No, that was for seidr not Odr cultivation. Like us, he started True Cultivation before learning seidr.

TheCount said:
Iirc, we hypothesized it was Has is, Horra's father, killing the dark lord that terrorised the Hading and was the master of Drysalt, around the reveal at the trial.
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The original Hasvir killed Solrun's father and he also killed Drydalt's summoner. I see no evidence that the two were the same person and a fair amount that they weren't given that Solrun does not seem to be a pariah. I imagine Hasvir killed a number of people over his life.
 
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