For all people we're talking about cringe earlier, this truly would be truly intolerable silly, and not silly in a good way, just painfully immersion breaking and thematically inappropriate.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
For all people we're talking about cringe earlier, this truly would be truly intolerable silly, and not silly in a good way, just painfully immersion breaking and thematically inappropriate.
QuietlyObserving
The Railgun That Walks Like a Bear
- Location
- Here.
[X] [RIDER] Mounted Wraiths
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
I'm not too particular about the apparition, but I like the Nazgul vibe a lot.
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
I'm not too particular about the apparition, but I like the Nazgul vibe a lot.
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
More seriously, it's 'Knight - "Great Cat"'; a knightly rider atop one of the large cat species, with 'Great Cat' used to separate it from being a regular domestic cat.
Yes, strictly speaking it should follow the
[ ] Knight
-[ ] Steed
Format the others do, but it's a write-in and those come with weirdness.
Yes, strictly speaking it should follow the
[ ] Knight
-[ ] Steed
Format the others do, but it's a write-in and those come with weirdness.
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I am very surprised by the popularity of Great Cat Knight, mostly because it hadn't even been considered before the action. I kind of like it, but it kind of makes me wish we had captured Dark Hounds instead and just made them Great Cat themed instead of Golden Hounds themed. I may still advocate for that instead of Whispering Darkness if we go for more apparitions.
Boney, given that both Riders in Red and Dark Hounds are drawn to Aqshy and Destructive Spells, would we be able to re-use anything we learn training the Rider in Red on Dark Hounds? I assume the knowledge Gehenna gave us will help with the Rider we just captured, and would obviously be applicable if we capture our own Dark Hounds, but would the practical experience with one help with the other?
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[X] [RIDER] Great Cat Knight
[X] [RIDER] Mist-shrouded Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed
[X] [RIDER] Misty Wraith on top of a Giant Wolf
[X] [RIDER] Misty Wraith on top of a Demigryph
Boney, given that both Riders in Red and Dark Hounds are drawn to Aqshy and Destructive Spells, would we be able to re-use anything we learn training the Rider in Red on Dark Hounds? I assume the knowledge Gehenna gave us will help with the Rider we just captured, and would obviously be applicable if we capture our own Dark Hounds, but would the practical experience with one help with the other?
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[X] [RIDER] Great Cat Knight
[X] [RIDER] Mist-shrouded Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed
[X] [RIDER] Misty Wraith on top of a Giant Wolf
[X] [RIDER] Misty Wraith on top of a Demigryph
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Based on this QM comment:
It's on a member of Panthera, or the analogous Warhammer thing they have instead of a genus. As for why it's not under the Knight vote: because write-in votes are inherently chaotic and getting dozens of voters of varying levels of engagement and thread attention to format things according to a consistent schema is an impossible task.
One might say it's a lot like herding cats.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Only to a limited extent. Some things are transferrable, but many aren't, because the different Apparitions act, think, move, and hunt differently.
Witness the one we just captured not rampaging through the streets around the Light College and instead waiting outside for a wizard it was targeting to come out.
That's when there's a Miscast, not when the spell is operating normally and the Apparitikn is following their training. The question is about what their default behaviour is, not what happens when they're enraged or confused by the magic going wrong.
Any miscast spell can have lethal side effects.
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After some thought changing over to the version that leans into the legend. At the end of the day both the cat knight and the Dämmerlichtreiter lean into the themes and symbols of a cultural touchstone, but I would argue that 'mounted protection of Stirland' is more fitting to what we are making than 'effigy to the god of thieves deception and freedom'. That thing really isn't going to be free
[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
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Valarauko
Demon of Power
- Location
- Angband
Cat is just weird and arbitrary. I don't understand the appeal.
Avoiding wraiths after long debate because Mathilde herself questions the wisdom of it. And avoiding Mathilde herself because that's just weird and gauche.
For the Seviroscope, going for visual.
[x] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[x] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[x] [RIDER] Mist-shrouded Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed
Avoiding wraiths after long debate because Mathilde herself questions the wisdom of it. And avoiding Mathilde herself because that's just weird and gauche.
For the Seviroscope, going for visual.
[x] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[x] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[x] [RIDER] Mist-shrouded Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed
We've seen that one of them isn't rampaging through the streets at one point. We haven't seen that they never do rampage through the streets.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Oh, I missed that the debate was about normal operation.
Uh… it probably depends on how we train them? If I had to guess. Go around obstacles rather than through them?
We've also been told that the Modus operanti for them is "close the street their in to all traffic."
Now I dunno about you but it does seem they have some risk attached to them if you still need to close the road their on.
- Location
- Te Ika-a-Māui
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Winged Lancer
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Auditory
-[X] Winged Lancer
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Auditory
dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
- Location
- The Land Where The Sunflowers Bloom
[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry)
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry)
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
The College had however cordoned off the streets, and did so as standard. While it wasn't interested in hunting down random people, it very well might have killed bystanders who happened across it.
I agree. If people want cat themed Apparitions it would seem like it would have been much easier to bind and reskin Dark Hounds, as I would expect it to be less AP expensive to retrain a hound to fight like a cat than a horse to.
Only Rotwyrms and the Whispering Darkenss appear to be incorporeal. Most of the other Apparitions are just invisible save to their chosen target. They'd have to go around obstacles rather than through them anyway. This is supported by Boney saying that non-magical things can interact with them; just not harm them, although this is admittedly in their bound state.
And as Red Riders don't seem to leave trails of trampled citizens of Altdorf down the streets, as I think we'd have heard about it and it be more urgent to deal with them if they did, I suspect they already avoid running people down and there's something that makes people who can't see them unconsciously avoid them. It would almost have to be both, given unexpected events like people tripping, etc.
It could easily be cordoned off to protect other wizards from getting too close, rather than civilians.
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So on a slightly different note, assuming we manage to get the Seviroscope working do you guys think this will earn Erngrim Dwarf favor? After all we did it as a joint project and he was the one who came up with some of the ideas, not to mention he might do some of the casting. I am mostly curious to see how Kragg would get used to the idea that not only is there one Umgi wizard who cam be of significant use in his work, but several. Not to mention that it would be a hell of a shift from what Erngrim is used to. Dwarf approval may shift like mountains, but it is real right down the the ground and it is fair compensation not some asshole stealing your credit. 'Oh that is why she is so into dwarfs'. 
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Not just Dwarf Favour, but Runesmith Favour. The latter was markedly more difficult to acquire before we convinced them to start pouring Daemonblood over their sacred altars.
(We're not a corruptive influence we swear)
I think Kragg will be thankful, but still not trust umgi wizards not named Mathilde Weber. He probably will be more accepting of Mathilda offering him other wizards that could do stuff for him.So on a slightly different note, assuming we manage to get the Seviroscope working do you guys think this will earn Erngrim Dwarf favor? After all we did it as a joint project and he was the one who came up with some of the ideas, not to mention he might do some of the casting. I am mostly curious to see how Kragg would get used to the idea that not only is there one Umgi wizard who cam be of significant use in his work, but several. Not to mention that it would be a hell of a shift from what Erngrim is used to. Dwarf approval may shift like mountains, but it is real right down the the ground and it is fair compensation not some asshole stealing your credit. 'Oh that is why she is so into dwarfs'.
Like, the trust would be that Mathilde knows which wizards he could tolerate for advancement of the karaz ankor.
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- She/Her/They/Them
[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Auditory
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Auditory
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
I'm more amused by the idea of Eike getting dwarf favor, personally. Given her own contribution.So on a slightly different note, assuming we manage to get the Seviroscope working do you guys think this will earn Erngrim Dwarf favor? After all we did it as a joint project and he was the one who came up with some of the ideas, not to mention he might do some of the casting. I am mostly curious to see how Kragg would get used to the idea that not only is there one Umgi wizard who cam be of significant use in his work, but several. Not to mention that it would be a hell of a shift from what Erngrim is used to. Dwarf approval may shift like mountains, but it is real right down the the ground and it is fair compensation not some asshole stealing your credit. 'Oh that is why she is so into dwarfs'.
AzrielIlluminare
Mothman Cultist
- Pronouns
- They/Them
As has been said by others, they don't leave streets of trampled citizens because the streets get closed.
And you keep comparing them to animals, well you realize even the most well-trained animals can seemingly still randomly attack people right? I have a family member who trains dogs, K-9s to be exact, and they get hurt all the time. Even by their most well behaved dogs. Also just because something isn't an animals chosen prey, doesn't mean they don't attack other things, funnily enough seen by the times animals attack humans.
A 'trained' tiger is a still a tiger.