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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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Alectai said:
Now, that being said, it's not unthinkable that we will learn the nature of the bindings if we listen in... But that requires us to be able to remain hidden from a super sense specced Super Elite.
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For the record, inasmuch as Wolfwind is bound, I think it's just to obey orders...so unless Horra orders him to tell him if anyone's watching, he won't. We'd still be dealing with Horra and Hasvir's senses, though, which is dicey.

Alectai said:
Reward Dice aren't omnipotent, they give hints at best.
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Sure, but 'is this guy magically enthralled?' seems like a valid hint when we already suspect that might be the case.

Alectai said:
The hint seemed to be that the Elephant is going to fuck him over somehow, but it's not ready yet. Which means this is not yet the time to go loud.

We get the fuck out, and we move to get him Outlawed next turn when we're fresh and ready to start Endgame on our terms. Remember, we can lead the Inspection Group directly over here now.

We can't do that if the evidence is sanitized because Horra thinks his sanctum isn't secure anymore. Which is what happens if we disrupt his play here.
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Maybe you're right. I have come up with another theory on what's going on with Wolfwind which gives us more time (that he's got effectively a bomb in his chest from Horra and has for a while)...in which case, well, we have more time and can afford to just leave now.
 
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Oh, reminder.
Both Abjorn and Sten went into a rage when they thought we got killed by thunderbutt.
They WILL storm the sanctum if we dont go back, no matter what they said when we brought them along.
and without Abjorn... the kids will die when Horra makes his move.
 
That fucking Elephant is proof positive that Horra is doing Fuckfuck games, and it's too big and too important to him--apparently--for him to be able to dispose of it on short notice. That's our Smoking Gun for the inspection team. That this isn't just a mysterious evil villain's place that's convienently hiding under his aegis that he can handwave off to a fall-guy.

Because the Elephant is distinct, and more importantly, it's on record that it was bought by one of his sons. There's a paper trail linking him to it, and that he paid an exorhbant cost for it to boot.

That's how it gores him. There is no possible way to hide that he wasn't involved, not with all the bullshit magic in the world. If the inspection team sees that, he is fucked.

And we have a key to his sanctum, we know where it is, and if we Fuck Off right now, he doesn't know any of this either.

We guarantee he's Outlawed, and if any of his bindings are based on him being a Freeman who is allowed to own Property, those all collapse at the same time. If he's using a variant of the Thrall binding for instance on Wolfwind--well, Outlaws aren't allowed to own Thralls. Which frees anyone he's chaining using methods like this. Which causes many of his more dangerous allies to be able to get out from under his thumb and turn on him in turn.
 
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[X] Leave now

@Imperial Fister
Is the sanctum in Horras place land or in neutral land?

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
For the record, inasmuch as Wolfwind is bound, I think it's just to obey orders...so unless Horra orders him to tell him if anyone's watching, he won't. We'd still be dealing with Horra and Hasvir's senses, though, which is dicey.
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Unless Horra has realized that one of his siege weapons went missing and updated his standard orders.
 
Also, we can mention the dwarves' situation, if sun weapons are stored in the sanctum.... not to mention the many monsters that have been appearing as of late in the valley.
 
Toboe said:
Unless Horra has realized that one of his siege weapons went missing and updated his standard orders.
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I mean, he would've already realised that now, considering we stole that in a previous turn, and not now. Given that nothing has changed, it's safe to assume he hasn't realised that we stole one of his siege weapons.
 
I mean.

His daughter is probably his Designated Fall Girl if his Sanctum is discovered out of hand. He's probably using her as a scapegoat for his own bullshit. Which explains why she was perfectly willing to conveniently ignore Halla's presence.

But he can't pass the blame off to her when he or one of his sons bought the fucking elephant with his money, and it then turned up in the bottom of an evil wizard's sanctum in his property turned into a superweapon.

That's why it skewers him on its' "horns", because it's the one piece of evidence that is absolutely impossible to pin on someone else. Not without invalidating any other pieces of evidence. That's why it's the critical detail, the thing that breaks him. Because the very kindest thing that can be said to him in that sense is that he was knowingly aiding and abetting a witch by providing them with materials. Which is still enough to get him Outlawed.
 
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Alectai said:
I mean.

His daughter is probably his Designated Fall Girl if his Sanctum is discovered out of hand. He's probably using her as a scapegoat for his own bullshit. Which explains why she was perfectly willing to conveniently ignore Halla's presence.

But he can't pass the blame off to her when he or one of his sons bought the fucking elephant with his money, and it then turned up in the bottom of an evil wizard's sanctum in his property turned into a superweapon.

That's why it skewers him on its' "horns", because it's the one piece of evidence that is absolutely impossible to pin on someone else. Not without invalidating any other pieces of evidence. That's why it's the critical detail, the thing that breaks him.
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If your read is correct, then the process of bulldozing through all of his scapegoats might mean that Horra's entire family line gets fucked over and Outlawed as he tries to deflect the blame for everything else pinned on him.

That'd be an absolute, and total destruction of him.
 
Halla: Jarls of the Court, we cannot turn away from absolute evidence of necromancy for the sake of sustaining some familial solidarity. We must discuss the Elephant in the room.
 
The real coup here would be roping Hasvir in with Horra. Hasvir is his final "Fuck You" to our line. The one who even if he dies, absolutely has to survive. Because then he'll visit on us what Steinarr did to him.

The Elephant is so damning that he's liable to get Outlawed too. Which means we get to pop him as well.

EDIT: "Well, Halla's definitely Seen the Elephant by now."
 
If he and his daughter wind up doing he said/she said stuff, us weighing in on her side is probably a deciding factor even without other evidence and, as has been noted, there is indeed other evidence.

But I'm not sure she's a scapegoat, she may just not like what he's doing or him for one reason or another.

Alectai said:
The real coup here would be roping Hasvir in with Horra. Hasvir is his final "Fuck You" to our line. The one who even if he dies, absolutely has to survive. Because then he'll visit on us what Steinarr did to him.
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All our evidence on Horra is evidence on Hasvir as well. Not the rest of the family, but he was talking plans about the bandits and now we're gonna see him go into the sanctum full of Draugr. We've got him, too.
 
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I'd still be advocating staying if I thought he was gonna die, I think, upon reflection, that's not what's happening.
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Even better! We can save him later!
TehChron said:
If your read is correct, then the process of bulldozing through all of his scapegoats might mean that Horra's entire family line gets fucked over and Outlawed as he tries to deflect the blame for everything else pinned on him.

That'd be an absolute, and total destruction of him.
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He literally ran away from one cousin and uncle to the other on his wife's side of the family when running away from Steinar after killing Steinar's brothers. getting any who tried to hide or protect him killed in the process.

So, if he tries to play the funny games? His whole family might turn on him.
 
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I don't see anything to points to her being a scapegoat. Can't think of any other reasons why she wouldn't want to rat us out, but I also can't think of anything that'd suggest her being the one Horra's set up to take the blame.
 
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