I mean, there's no such thing as a completely safe way to Initiate people. But you can tilt the scales if you know what you're doing.
With "how to close the door" being something else to find out it would make sense as a big filter.
It is an uknown unknown and you have 1 chance to get it right if you have to find it out yourself. With the doing it inside just getting you a bit more time.

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with the whole "short vote" thing i'll just trust the lessalive.
 
Yeah, miswrote, meant an instant ganking

The thing that kill you is getting knocked unconscious so you can't close the gate before your Aspect weave fray, I think anyone who remain aware would be able to see the fraying and close the gate in time.

The issue of course is that enduring the initial shock is only easier, not completely trivial, and someone passing out is likely their death.

The biggest issue, of course, is again--you can't really tell other people about any of this either, so the people most likely to find out are weirdoes who are going to practice in private--we were told that one of the reasons we got through our initial breakthrough was other people being around to help her snap out of it.

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Good enough for me, we can think about an ambush later.

Twitchy guy though is suspicious, is there some fucking Necromancy going on here? The body wants to be in its ideal state, regrowing it regrows you in your ideal state (It's just expensive). "Regenerated from Near Total Bodily Death" should not lead to this kind of dysphoria.

But putting another Mind into someone else's Body would.
 
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Twitchy guy though is suspicious, is there some fucking Necromancy going on here? The body wants to be in its ideal state, regrowing it regrows you in your ideal state (It's just expensive). "Regenerated from Near Total Bodily Death" should not lead to this kind of dysphoria.

But putting another Mind into someone else's Body would.
Yeah was wondering about that. If it was the Ironbrother we just killed, that would suck. Other weirder possibilities include an animal soul in a human body (why? Idk, ask Horra), or a Lurkaling dwarf trying out a sun-proof form?.
 
The issue of course is that enduring the initial shock is only easier, not completely trivial, and someone passing out is likely their death.

The biggest issue, of course, is again--you can't really tell other people about any of this either, so the people most likely to find out are weirdoes who are going to practice in private--we were told that one of the reasons we got through our initial breakthrough was other people being around to help her snap out of it.
That the question no? if Halla was opening the gate for the first time inside her farm would she have been knocked out without any knowledge of what is to come? I'm not sure if you really need both to limit the Odr and inform before hand. but that distinction is academic at this point because we are not risking someone to test it out. unless we find a clever way to bypass the information block that involve the Gate opening but not what come after.

More relevant to the current update, the twitchy fellow could be a breserker, but considering that Horra is an underhanded sneaky son of a bitch with access to shapecrafting it could be something else. even more considering a proper breserker should be able to shut it off. maybe he left it running because he is on guard duty and still not over the adjustment

@Imperial Fister , does Halla feel like she reacted the same as the twitchy fellow when she just unlocked frenzy?
 
Good enough for me, we can think about an ambush later.

Twitchy guy though is suspicious, is there some fucking Necromancy going on here? The body wants to be in its ideal state, regrowing it regrows you in your ideal state (It's just expensive). "Regenerated from Near Total Bodily Death" should not lead to this kind of dysphoria.

But putting another Mind into someone else's Body would.

I think the theory that he's a new Berserk or has otherwise had serious shapecrafting done has some merit, but possession also seems possible, yeah. Like, Frenzy alone wouldn't have quite that effect, but if combined with other enhancements...
 
Anyway, good news is that it does look like a Hamr Death March is going to be possible! We made good progress there. And we just freed up an extra die now that Bible Study is done, unless we want to convert that to "How to do Writing?" anyway.
 
Anyway, good news is that it does look like a Hamr Death March is going to be possible! We made good progress there. And we just freed up an extra die now that Bible Study is done, unless we want to convert that to "How to do Writing?" anyway.

We need to try writing down what we know about cultivation and see what the enemy does at some point, so that's probably 1 Research Die...but if the Enemy doesn't react it shouldn't require additional ones.
 
@Imperial Fister we definitely have two questions here:
1. What kind of bird is Sigurdr's fylgja?
A wandering albatross, not exactly very common in these parts
2. Can we stack Armor in a mechanically meaningful fashion?
I'm gonna say that they do not stack.
@Imperial Fister , does Halla feel like she reacted the same as the twitchy fellow when she just unlocked frenzy?
In a somewhat similar manner of jumping at the slightest sudden movement.
 
Sudden movement imply reacting to outside stimulus, while the update 'not quite familiar with their own body' imply something internal. could honestly be both Berserker and something else. Not a question for you IF, just externally wondering.

We should be able to see if they take timeoff either on the way or when they reach the destination, if the guy suddenly chill out when not expecting action then that might be fasting at work.
 
A wandering albatross, not exactly very common in these parts

Interesting! I wonder what bonus that even grants? Something related to luck or travel, I guess?

I'm gonna say that they do not stack.

I thought so, but checking still seemed worthwhile.

Relatedly, wearing mail around at home would be weird, obviously, but under what circumstances will Halla wear it 'automatically'? Like, going on a raid, obviously, or an attack like we did on the bandits, but are we assumed to wear it while exploring? Can we be assumed to wear it while exploring?
 
While in mail with Frenzy up we cannot be hit by folks without tricks or attack boosts, as 4+1 is a +5 bonus, and 1d6 has a minimum result of 1 for a minimum total if 6 and defenders win ties.
 
Sudden movement imply reacting to outside stimulus, while the update 'not quite familiar with their own body' imply something internal. could honestly be both Berserker and something else. Not a question for you IF, just externally wondering.

Sounds to me like he's had some work done by a shapecrafter, both the Berserk thing and something else that makes him feel weird internally. Doing multiple enhancements at once like that is probably pretty common, I'd think. At least, if you have the money.

While in mail with Frenzy up we cannot be hit by folks without tricks or attack boosts, as 4+1 is a +5 bonus, and 1d6 has a minimum result of 1 for a minimum total if 6 and defenders win ties.

Yup. Hone makes that no longer true (though 1d6+5 does still usually beat 2d6), but our basic defenses just got a lot beefier.
 
Yup. Hone makes that no longer true (though 1d6+5 does still usually beat 2d6), but our basic defenses just got a lot beefier.
Yeah, even if they hone once we still have about a 75% chance of blocking. Of course once they start honing several times per attack our odds get a lot worse. Against a doubly honed attack we only have a 33% chance of blocking with a basic defense.
 
Relatedly, wearing mail around at home would be weird, obviously, but under what circumstances will Halla wear it 'automatically'? Like, going on a raid, obviously, or an attack like we did on the bandits, but are we assumed to wear it while exploring? Can we be assumed to wear it while exploring?
Mmm, wonder if there's a Trick or rune inscription that could let us don it from hammerspace. I had the "No summons like a mother's call" idea for our sax, but I'm not sure if that would work with armor (we'd have to name it, though we should probably do that anyways given it has a spirit.
On related notes, we could try sacrificing to it, and if we engage in combat here, we should remember to dedicate at least one enemy to Sagaseeker to see what happens.
 
Yeah, even if they hone once we still have about a 75% chance of blocking. Of course once they start honing several times per attack our odds get a lot worse. Against a doubly honed attack we only have a 33% chance of blocking with a basic defense.

We can usually add at least one Hone ourselves, too, and really tank those odds for them. Our orthstirr pool is pretty sizable, after all, and -1 Orthstirr per defense is pretty cheap, especially when they're having to spend that much to even try in the first place. More Frenzy will also make this way better once we have the issues with that squared away.

Mmm, wonder if there's a Trick or rune inscription that could let us don it from hammerspace. I had the "No summons like a mother's call" idea for our sax, but I'm not sure if that would work with armor (we'd have to name it, though we should probably do that anyways given it has a spirit.
On related notes, we could try sacrificing to it, and if we engage in combat here, we should remember to dedicate at least one enemy to Sagaseeker to see what happens.

I think we probably don't go in person even if we do set up an ambush (what with being pregnant and a fair portion of our good defensive stuff in our fylgja). We'd be there in fylgja form to help out, but we wouldn't be using weapons.
 
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Once we get Forgefire, we should consider just thumping an entire turn of Odr generation into tools, having Superior++ tools should make forging in general a lot easier. I was considering upgrading our mail, but that actually takes a ridiculous amount of forged iron.
 
Yeah, Mail is stupid expensive, though as we've just found out, it's worth every penny. Especially if you can produce the higher quality tiers.

Anyway, all that aside, looks like this might be the first time Halla deploys as her Fylgja in battle. Looks like she's going to be cosplaying as an actual Attack Helicopter this time, that should have fun applications.

Hopefully we get something actionable out of this though, if we do decide to go for an ambush. At least our birb is much, much hardier now than it ever was before.
 
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