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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Well that's the definition of a perverse incentive and definitely needs to be fixed when we clean this mess up.



Definitely. I 100% want to recruit him as an ally (or even into our household like Stigmar) long term. Boy's gonna go far if nobody kills him.

I will say I'm not sure he's hit Fylgja 7+ yet, though...we know War-Raven is the equivalent of Wizard-Owl. It makes his Raven fightier, but I don't think it's the Fylgja 7 evolution...on the other hand, he had Fylgja of at least 4 at 10 years old, which is still nothing to sneeze at, and I highly doubt he's ever stopped increasing it, so he might well hit 7 pretty soon.
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No he hit the second evolution War-Raven to Sword Raven.
 
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If we has the Troll-Talker kenning going into this encounter, how differently would it have played out?
 
Yeah, he didn't actually tell us much, we just prepared for that any had a contingency to go fishing.

Which landed us a hell of a good fish.
 
I think Hasvir Horrason is intended to kill us, as well as Steinarr's other children. Horra still isn't confident in killing Steinarr personally.. yet.
 
Shard said:
I think Hasvir Horrason is intended to kill us, as well as Steinarr's other children. Horra still isn't confident in killing Steinarr personally.. yet.
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Hasvir absolutely seems to be specced to beat us in a straight fight, yeah, an Ocean based Hugareida would be devastating thanks to Born of Fire.
 
Alectai said:
Hasvir absolutely seems to be specced to beat us in a straight fight, yeah, an Ocean based Hugareida would be devastating thanks to Born of Fire.
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I think it's more accurate that he's specced to beat [GENERIC FIRE WIELDER] or maybe beat [STEINARR MARK 2.0] in a straight fight...there's no way Horra knew much of anything about our personal build even 6 months ago. He might've learned some stuff after the raid, but that's real recent (too recent to have effected Hasvir's training significantly) and I'd honestly bet he hasn't even gotten anything much on our specific capabilities since then.

That's still bad and limits some of our tricks, but it's a distinction worth making.
 
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Horra might have prepared Hasvir as a human reagent, somebody to be sacrificed or used for a ritual. He traveled quite far and picked up some magic on those travels, some of which are probably rather dark and involve human sacrifice.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
The description said there was in fact water doing the dissolving, not raw destruction or something...he just conjured water and used it to erode the thing at super speed, like something between water-based acid and a water-saw, that's impressive but it's also physical and thus stoppable. Plus he had to touch the statue to do it at all, and Halting Vortex can definitely stop him from touching us. Completely immaterial desiccation bolts may be possible, but that's not what his trick does at all and there's no indication he even has the right Hugareida for a trick like that.
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Halting Vortex might be able to stop this trick, sure. However, we are a known enemy of Horra, and have previously used it to great effect in front of our former felag. If Hasvir doesn't have a counter to it already, I wouldn't be surprised if he seeks out one in the not-so-distant future.
 
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Hunter531 said:
Halting Vortex might be able to stop this trick, sure. However, we are a known enemy of Horra, and have previously used it to great effect in front of our former felag. If Hasvir doesn't have a counter to it already, I wouldn't be surprised if he seeks out one in the not-so-distant future.
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If the Felag tell him. Even Horra's extended family don't like him much, so I'm not betting on it. We should plan for him knowing what the Felag knows, but only because that's the worst case scenario, not because it's that likely.

But my actual point wasn't even necessarily about that specific Trick, it was that a Hugareida that requires water to do that effect probably can't do purely non-corporeal destruction effects, and you can't just train and get a Hugareida that does get them because that isn't how Hugareida work.
 
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You know, I think raids give so much Orthsirr because you're representing the entire community you're part of when you go on a raid. Something analogous, where you represent a huge amount of people, could well generate a ton of Orthsirr as well. Notably doing things solo generates basically no Orthsirr.

Edit: Or, to put it in different terms. Norse Olympic Games.
 
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Shard said:
You know, I think raids give so much Orthsirr because you're representing the entire community you're part of when you go on a raid. Something analogous, where you represent a huge amount of people, could well generate a ton of Orthsirr as well. Notably doing things solo generates basically no Orthsirr.

Edit: Or, to put it in different terms. Norse Olympic Games.
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That's an interesting theory. It should be testable by going out into the world and doing non-raid activities and seeing if they return raid-level rewards (given the nature of said activities, of course).
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
That's an interesting theory. It should be testable by going out into the world and doing non-raid activities and seeing if they return raid-level rewards (given the nature of said activities, of course).
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I suspect we would need to do something analogous to the Raid Trials in order to 'connect' our activities to representing the community as a whole.
 
Hmm, my feeling is that the raid bonus is just that raiding is inherently prestigious, giving a sort of artificial drengskapr to actions performed on the raid.

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
That I'm less sure I buy. The Raid Trials are not actually that hard, they're intended solely to weed out the incompetent not serve as a measuring stick for the best among the Norse or anything.
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As far as I can tell, the Raid Trials aren't a system with an objective grading - rather, they're an opportunity to impress a Jarl into joining their felag. So the difficulty depends on the competition and the standards of the Jarls in attendance.
 
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Steinarr must keep himself ignorant of all his neighbours, because it was implied that Horra's farm was not that far, at least for adult Norsemen, and even Halla knew the general location of that farm, so its REALLY FUCKING surprising that Steinarr doesnt have any idea that Horra so closeby. Dont mistake me, I am really happy that Steinarr is an introvert, and that the entire valley seems to be in a conspiracy to never let Steinarr even get an inkling of Horra's existence for decades, its just a bit SoD breaking.
 
Solar Saiyan said:
Steinarr must keep himself ignorant of all his neighbours, because it was implied that Horra's farm was not that far, at least for adult Norsemen, and even Halla knew the general location of that farm, so its REALLY FUCKING surprising that Steinarr doesnt have any idea that Horra so closeby. Dont mistake me, I am really happy that Steinarr is an introvert, and that the entire valley seems to be in a conspiracy to never let Steinarr even get an inkling of Horra's existence for decades, its just a bit SoD breaking.
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Well, the valley being in a conspiracy to not let Steinarr know about Horra is canon, at least.
 
Solar Saiyan said:
Steinarr must keep himself ignorant of all his neighbours, because it was implied that Horra's farm was not that far, at least for adult Norsemen, and even Halla knew the general location of that farm, so its REALLY FUCKING surprising that Steinarr doesnt have any idea that Horra so closeby. Dont mistake me, I am really happy that Steinarr is an introvert, and that the entire valley seems to be in a conspiracy to never let Steinarr even get an inkling of Horra's existence for decades, its just a bit SoD breaking.
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It makes enough sense to me to avoid suspension of disbelief issues.

Horra is actively trying to keep his presence quiet and everyone who's related to him is ashamed of him and doesn't want to talk about it, while Steinarr doesn't go to other people's farms uninvited as he's actually quite busy with his own farm. Note that he never actually hired a farmhand, and that as a thrall to help out around the farm, Gabriel is not particularly skilled (he adds a whole +2 dice to our Management pool)...Sten's here now and can help more, but that's quite a recent development.

Someone may even have specifically told him he wouldn't be welcome at that farm without mentioning who owns it, I wouldn't be surprised and that would probably be enough to keep the normally affable Steinarr away unless he was given reason to go there.
 
Solar Saiyan said:
Steinarr must keep himself ignorant of all his neighbours, because it was implied that Horra's farm was not that far, at least for adult Norsemen, and even Halla knew the general location of that farm, so its REALLY FUCKING surprising that Steinarr doesnt have any idea that Horra so closeby. Dont mistake me, I am really happy that Steinarr is an introvert, and that the entire valley seems to be in a conspiracy to never let Steinarr even get an inkling of Horra's existence for decades, its just a bit SoD breaking.
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It's not Steinarr's fault, there's apparently some straight up Fate Manipulation going on that prevents him from learning of this. We actually triggered a Paradox when we pressed someone on "Why did you tell us to keep it from him?" And the one responsible said "I didn't say that, I said he was related to half the valley." "No, you definitely told me to keep it from him" "Wait... What.... How... What." (CUE REALITY BREAKING AND BEING FIXED)

Anyway, that aside. I was trying to sleep just now, and mostly failing. But just now, I had a REVELATION, and it was of such importance that I stopped trying to sleep and came here to post it, immediately, before I forgot.

I think I may have figured out how to safely cultivate.

The key is that when we weave Virthing and Saemd together in our Soul, it takes a physical form. It starts dissolving a bit, but that was before we brought our Soul to life.

I'm wondering... Now that our Soul is a Real Place. Can we weave our Virthing and Saemd in advance, separate it from the rest of our spirit, and only after we've recovered, do we burn what we set aside?

We lose consciousness when Soul Stuff tends to happen, which is forever going to be a Problem. But the idea came to me. "Power Requires Sacrifice." That's one of the Fundamental Truths, the First One even.

It's a fucking Blót! It was even mentioned once, when Gabriel wielded what looked like Zeal in our spar with him--drawing it from his sword--that it reminded Halla of the energy released during one.

But we're not at the level yet where we need to spill blood to advance, are we? We're still learning the Little Sacrifices, like of Time and Effort.

I'm wondering then if we can use our Virthing and Saemd together to weave something that lasts in our Soul Space, build up a threshold of it, and then sacrificially ignite it using our Frami during a period where our other Aspects are intact (Because we did the Work in advance of course). In short, we almost fucking died before because we sacrificed our Virthing and Saemd while they were still attached to us, effectively almost pulling an Odin (But without being a God who can survive sacrificing yourself to yourself)

This is something we can Test safely next turn too, since using Virthing and Saemd in tandem? Perfectly safe. We can see if our Awakened Soul can actually contain a weave made from our 'Stable' Aspects long enough to let them recover, and then burn it using Frami (Which is also safe to burn in itself). While our 'Regenerating' Virthing and Saemd are topped off.

This might work! More importantly, it might work in a way we can test safely!
 
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Alectai said:
This might work! More importantly, it might work in a way we can test safely!
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I'm definitely down with giving it a try. Playing around with the odr we already have (maybe trying to use it to nurture our new spirit plant...virthing and saemd might also be worth experimenting with for that) is also acceptable, I think. It's trying to get more odr that needs to wait until after we give birth.
 
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