I appreciate that, but there are other people with reward dice. Personally I'm interested in shoring up our performance here.
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
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Totally fair.
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Are either of you folks wiling to commit a Reward Die to finishing off Imaging Skill-Trick so we can finally get a look at what's inside the meteor?
Hm... interesting.
Guess the big guy tests the strength/Hamr of people, the lean one their skill in Glima and the stout one (dwarf?) their tactics?
Even just the work knife would be good, as we have a good and two basic ones
Curious if there would be some effect, like with the tools?
Edit: oh right, voting
[X] DeadManWalkingXi
Edit 2: Although..
Guess the big guy tests the strength/Hamr of people, the lean one their skill in Glima and the stout one (dwarf?) their tactics?
Even just the work knife would be good, as we have a good and two basic ones
Curious if there would be some effect, like with the tools?
Edit: oh right, voting
[X] DeadManWalkingXi
Edit 2: Although..
So, should the opponent be named @DeadmanwalkingXI ?
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I.F. Ister
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If the opponent is Deadman, then sure
But what they've done works as well as any other method.
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How did our Orthstirr max increase to 40? I thought we had around 33 or 34 after saving Halfdan. Am I misremembering?
Rewards from questers' made poetry.
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I recall it being 36 at that point. Either way, TheCount is entirely correct that the increase after that is from questers writing poetry in actual saga style. They can be found in the Apocrypha section and are worth about 2 Orthstirr (plus 1 Reward Die) a piece. I have exactly zero faith in my own ability to write one or I'd be tempted.
Our Orthstirr will automatically go to 42 at the end of the year as well due to the 'saved Halfdan's farm' thing. Doing well in the wrestling may also actually get us a meaningful amount of Orthstirr due to the +3 to any award from Drengskapr...even a single point would become 4 Orthstirr due to that and a point or two for doing well seems plausible.
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So, I went back and rechecked the fight at halfdan's.
We know about reinforce and whatever it was the enforcer used to throw Jordan at us. But here is another trick we could learn.
Perhaps we can ask Hallr or Steinar if they know how to absorb more of it from defeated foes?
I do expect that honor bullshit is gonna kick it out of our options. Something something it's nigird to take more than your just or similar.
Perhaps we should try to squeeze in some dodge trick learning?
Or more dodge, at least.
We know about reinforce and whatever it was the enforcer used to throw Jordan at us. But here is another trick we could learn.
Can't decide if this is overland or dodge trick though.....
And if we are at this fight, I would like to point out that we only absorbed a small part of the enforcer's orthstirr.
Perhaps we can ask Hallr or Steinar if they know how to absorb more of it from defeated foes?
I do expect that honor bullshit is gonna kick it out of our options. Something something it's nigird to take more than your just or similar.
As for the boss fight... I think we focused a bit too much on the poison/venom. It's important, yes, but even if the boss can't spit it at us (I have doubts about that) we should probably avoid any grapples by it.
Perhaps we should try to squeeze in some dodge trick learning?
Or more dodge, at least.
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That's actually a description of him as he attacks, so likely neither, it's listed as 3Fold Honed in the rolls. Which means it's probably an upgrade of Honed, and we don't really have access to upgrades like that as of yet (unless he was just burning orthstirr for +3 dice to all his actions with regular Honed, which is possible, but expensive...if that's going on, we can already do the same thing, it's just so expensive we don't want to).
That's not really how orthstirr works, I don't think. If there were ways to increase how much you got from killing people other than the obvious (ie: publicizing it and talking yourself up), the whole culture would be very different, with a lot less emphasis on public acclaim and more on duels for their own sake.
More Dodge skill wouldn't meaningfully help. This system abstracts the combat skills too much for that. Dice gained from increasing any skill can be used to dodge, after all. It'd basically be 8 successes for a single die when raising Glima is exactly the same benefit for 2 successes instead (raising Glima actually is on the agenda, for the record). The narrative effects of high skill seem relevant...but they don't turn a loss into a win, or vice versa and we need stuff that does.
A cheap Dodge trick, however, is absolutely the next trick we need, our biggest current weakness is that all our defense tricks are 3 orthstirr or more a 'boring but cheap and functional' 1 orthstirr defense like Power-Chop is for attack is an absolute must-have that I wish we had already.
However, at 9 successes needed to grab it? It's not gonna happen before we hit 16 and have the fight, not reliably anyway, not with everything else we need (completing Halting Vortex, which can probably no-sell grapples, most notably). We might be able to get it at 3 successes, but dropping our defensive costs from 3 orthstirr to 2 orthstirr isn't nearly as good, and may not be worth it given the advantages of our current defenses. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try if we have some spare dice, but spare dice are in short supply if we want to complete all the stuff we need to.
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Sure, he is attacking... With the axe.
3 fold honing imo is just extra layers on the weapon.
Nothing indicates it should cause him to make after images as far as we know.
And it's about his approach to Abjorn. The attack happens in the next sentence.
I will keep my doubts about the 3fild hone being the cause of the after images.
Not to mention he was on the trial to rank up.
A movement trick is pretty easy to see an accomplished warrior/raider having.
We know next to nothing about the limits of the Norse cultivation system or it's secrets though.
That's why I want to ask either Hallr or Steinar.
As for it not being widespread... As I said, I fully expect it to be considered something that cause nidir.
Perhaps we should ask Steinar for a does and does nots? He should be more up to date than Blackhand....
It's more dice though, and those are always good to have.
I propose we learn how to sidestep.
Perhaps we could even trip the enemy!
I'm only joking with the tripping though.
We do not need to focus now on neither Harm nor Hugr though, as they both require a large amount of successes, 30 and 31 respectively.
There is dice we can spend, but it is true it's not many.
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The approach was unrolled, so it's not a relevant combat trick, I don't think, just a description of what someone using serious orthstirr attacks looks like when they're charging you.
Sure, but I don't think it's necessary to explain what happened. Movement tricks absolutely exist, I just don't think that was necessarily an example of one.
I'm not sure that's actually a phrasing that would make sense for Halla to use, but we can ask how orthstirr going from people to their killers works, I suppose.
Sure, but there's a cost/benefit analysis there. A single die is probably not worth 8 successes at this point (Hamr was because it was a die on many different things, not just combat, and a point of Endurance as well...a die alone? not as valuable as that).
I propose we learn how to sidestep.
Perhaps we could even trip the enemy!
I'm only joking with the tripping though.
Sidestepping better would certainly be good.
True, though we do still need a whole lot of skills before we head out raiding. We'll probably invest some dice in it, but not many next turn...I'm thinking we invest a bunch the turn after next assuming we don't need them for Halting Vortex (or something else urgent).
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Yeah, I'm thinking of making a change with that for the next character. Maybe a trick maximum? Maybe a cost maximum? As in, you can only use tricks with costs equal to or under your current skill rank (multiplied by, like, 2 or something).
Or maybe you can only 'channel' so much orthstirr into those tricks at a time, depending on the rank of the skill? Like, a rank 2 would net you 6 orthstirr capacity to play with or something. Obviously this isn't set in stone and I'm not even sure that it would be a good idea.
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I think it is not unreasonable to say that being better at dodging should make you specifically better at dodging, but it's true that these sorts of midstream changes should be done with at least a bit of care.
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It's an interesting idea. Both capping base cost at the skill itself and capping total number of tricks based on skill level seem totally reasonable, though. I'd honestly probably do both.
And if you did do both, even right now, and the cost cap is based on the Refined version, you could do that on Halla right now and we're one trick over in Chop (and honestly, Heavy-Halter-Chop should arguably be a Defend trick anyway...it doesn't do damage and is basically a parry variant, which falls under Defend, I probably would've brought this up already except it didn't matter until now), which would presumably be grandfathered in if not moved to Defend, and that's it.
This makes high cost Hugareida even cooler since they violate the cost cap maximums of other tricks, which seems an interesting and appropriate thing for them to do.
I would not make there a maximum total orthstirr you can spend on tricks per turn based on skill rating, though, as that makes expensive Tricks much worse compared to cheap ones (which is no fun), and would have actual gameplay implications of an unpleasant sort, I think. The other two restrictions effect only how characters are built, not how they play, and restrictions like that are usually less disruptive, especially if the character is already built within those restrictions.
EDIT: It occurs to me that, in particular, the cap on number of tricks based on skill rating parallels Capacity very directly in a way that makes the system feel more cohesive, and prevents some real weirdness like 8 tricks associated with a skill at 1 or 2. I'd definitely do that one no matter what.
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So... Would this work as a trick/lvl of the given skill?
Or perhaps more like an overall cap, like, X trick/Hamr, Hugr or Fyjgla level?
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Given Skill, to give you a reason to level up your Skills.
Another idea I had is to make it trick level based as well. Essentially, the Rank of the Skill corresponds to how many Rough Tricks you can have. Refined is half that, Mastered is half of that, and Perfected is half of that.
Chop Skill of 1;
1 Rough Trick
Chop Skill of 2;
1 Refined Trick
2 Rough Tricks
If you had a Chop Skill of 3, then you'd have;
2 Refined Tricks
3 Rough Tricks
If you had a Chop Skill of 4, then you could have;
1 Mastered Tricks
2 Refined Tricks
4 Rough Tricks
A Chop Skill of 5 would give you;
1 Perfected Trick
2 Mastered Tricks
3 Refined Tricks
5 Rough Tricks
I feel like this system specifically, if it's received well, could only be implemented at the start of the next character. Or I could just grandfather in all your current stuff.
edit: You'd have functionally infinite vague tricks (because, if they're not trained at least once in a year, then they'd be forgotten) and also have a system to 'downgrade' unwanted tricks.
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This seems really complicated for no particular reason. Like, capping it at one trick per level has the great virtue of simplicity and not needing to consult a chart, and already incentivizes upping skills well enough, I think. Maybe add a skill minimum for Perfected tricks if you really want to.
A complicated system like this doesn't really add anything good to the play experience, IMO, it's just another headache when trying to make advancement choices.
I think something simple could be added now (like the aforementioned 'tricks equal to skill level') anything more complicated would need to wait for the next character...but I really don't see a need for anything more complicated in the first place.
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Alright, I'll go with that. I'll also move HHC to Defend as well
Oooo! That can also be a thing that muna can do. As in, a muna could upgrade the trick capacity of a skill!
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It'd need to be a significant upgrade to be worth the slot, but one that doubled it on a specific skill like our Owl does for Capacity would be potentially very good on a skill one was specialized in, yeah.
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Alright, I've updated the character sheet to reflect the addition of the trick capacity. I'll be going through the mechanics post here in a bit and cleaning that up a little bit.
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I'll call voting in an hour-and-a-half, so if you haven't voted yet, do so soon!
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Hugareida are against the rules, so no. That'd just be an auto-loss (maybe worse given Norse attitudes on cheating and unwillingness to suffer pain).
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None of your Standstill hugareida really works with wrestling stuff, so I'm going to say no, for now.