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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Redshirt Army said:
I actually don't want to finish the sword style before we go on the Elfcation - I'd like to incorporate some lessons from Nagarythe into the "final draft" of Branarhune.
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I don't actually think this is possible. We incorporated the Imperial Greatsword style and the Order of Guardians style into our greatswording because we studied from teachers of those styles: mechanically, we advanced to Basic Greatsword and Advanced Greatsword by taking actions from those people. We are currently in the process of developing our own master-level style based on the fundamentals we learned from those teachers and incorporating the unique capabilities of our weapon. I don't think we can incorporate Elven sword styles into our own without dedicated training actions akin to the ones we got from Greatswords and Gunnars, and I don't think this would make our style better in some numerically superior way, just different (moving around the bonuses we get rather than adding new ones).

My guess, based on how Boney has responded to questions about other things we might do with Branarhune, is that once we finish Branarhune we will be able to pursue refinements to it along various axes. But I do think Branarhune is important for the elfternship, because we'll be fighting people who have been fighting against swords for longer than we've been alive on top of their natural advantages in size and speed, and the ability to completely break the rules of how those fights go with bullshit Rune of the Unknown nonsense seems really good to me.

That said, I'm not angling for the Elfternship any time soon. T44 is the earliest I can imagine us going (we'd have Overwork available then, allowing us a turn of both advancing Waystone Project work and still having AP for Nagarythe).
 
Andres said:
It wasn't an invitation to train, it was an invitation to participate in war alongside them. It's not learning new assassination techniques or magic spells or arcane theory. The elfcation is 99 days of war.

If we want to go on the elfcation, first we need to ask why we want to spend 99 days fighting dark elves instead of doing something else. Do we want loot? Prestige? To simply kill dark elves? To help Nagarythe? Whatever the motive, the elfcation must be seen as a campaign, not as a school.
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That's not exactly what Daroir said. He said, for 99 days you may call Nagarythe your home, and shall shed blood to defend it:
Boney said:
"A generous gift, from an unexpected quarter." Daroir smiles in anticipation. "It is a rare gambit of Teclis that does not bear fruit. I am glad to see the blossoming of this flower." He lifts a hand to his long, snow-white hair, and though you could swear it was unadorned, he plucks a tiny black raven carved from onyx from his locks and holds it out to you. "If you have the inclination and time to spare between now and when the world ends, seek Lothern and present this to any of the Sea Guard. For ninety-nine days you may call Nagarythe your home, and shall shed blood alongside us to defend it. Our Arhain are not as sought as Saphery's Sariour, but you of the grey of eight may be able to appreciate them."
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It is expected and in fact required of all denizens of Nagarythe who call it their home to shed blood to defend it. He isn't inviting us to war, he's inviting us to live in Nagarythe, which involves some war because of the nature of the place.
 
Codex said:
That's not exactly what Daroir said. He said, for 99 days you may call Nagarythe your home, and shall shed blood to defend it:

It is expected and in fact required of all denizens of Nagarythe who call it their home to shed blood to defend it. He isn't inviting us to war, he's inviting us to live in Nagarythe, which involves some war because of the nature of the place.
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Though he does directly reference the mages of nagarythe and their style iirc. So he does think we might get something out of it that was.
 
picklepikkl said:
I don't actually think this is possible. We incorporated the Imperial Greatsword style and the Order of Guardians style into our greatswording because we studied from teachers of those styles: mechanically, we advanced to Basic Greatsword and Advanced Greatsword by taking actions from those people. We are currently in the process of developing our own master-level style based on the fundamentals we learned from those teachers and incorporating the unique capabilities of our weapon. I don't think we can incorporate Elven sword styles into our own without dedicated training actions akin to the ones we got from Greatswords and Gunnars, and I don't think this would make our style better in some numerically superior way, just different (moving around the bonuses we get rather than adding new ones).

My guess, based on how Boney has responded to questions about other things we might do with Branarhune, is that once we finish Branarhune we will be able to pursue refinements to it along various axes. But I do think Branarhune is important for the elfternship, because we'll be fighting people who have been fighting against swords for longer than we've been alive on top of their natural advantages in size and speed, and the ability to completely break the rules of how those fights go with bullshit Rune of the Unknown nonsense seems really good to me.
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That seems about right. We went into Master Greatsword essentially with the intent of building a unique style for Mathilde, but it's still based on her fundamentals. You can't haphazardly add Elven elements to that in the middle of it.

Do you think it might be possible afterwards, for Grandmaster? Mathilde already essentially fights with armor that doesn't weigh her down - there might be some synergy there with conventional Elven swordsmanship.
 
Parabola said:
That seems about right. We went into Master Greatsword essentially with the intent of building a unique style for Mathilde, but it's still based on her fundamentals. You can't haphazardly add Elven elements to that in the middle of it.

Do you think it might be possible afterwards, for Grandmaster? Mathilde already essentially fights with armor that doesn't weigh her down - there might be some synergy there with conventional Elven swordsmanship.
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I feel the need to point out that we'd need to learn from a Greatsword wielder for that, and the Swordmasters are Saphery, not Nagarythe.
 
Codex said:
There's an outdoor dining area but I'm not that much of a jerk that I'd come in with my spray and get residue all over the place where people eat. The other option is to go out on the London streets and spray. I'm not fond of that.
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You can always put the models in a box with a back and two sides, and spray them in that (the box they came in might work). It makes it harder to get a proper coating since you can only get at them from one side- you have to turn the models repeatedly- but it protects the surrounding area from paint spray.
 
Mopman43 said:
I feel the need to point out that we'd need to learn from a Greatsword wielder for that, and the Swordmasters are Saphery, not Nagarythe.
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A strong point, but I'm speaking more to the general possibility of additions to the style rather than the practicality of getting an actual tutor.

I imagine we may learn most of assassination, scouting and interrogation from the vacation.
 
Personally I think if we learn anything in the form of weapons practice it will be new and innovative ways of stabbing people with shadow daggers.
 
Hm. About the Slayer near Vlag... What if it's one of the Runesmiths or Runelords that felt shamed by Thorek's and Mathilde's efforts and tale?

Or, as Boney once said in a post when talking about Dwarf traditions and modes of thought, something like... "In the story of Karak Vlag, who is responsible? They are. The Karaz Ankor. For not being able to help them out. They feel bad, they blame themselves, for not having been able to do something about that." (Tried to find the post, couldn't find it yet.)
 
Garlak said:
Hm. About the Slayer near Vlag... What if it's one of the Runesmiths or Runelords that felt shamed by Thorek's and Mathilde's efforts and tale?

Or, as Boney once said in a post when talking about Dwarf traditions and modes of thought, something like... "In the story of Karak Vlag, who is responsible? They are. The Karaz Ankor. For not being able to help them out. They feel bad, they blame themselves, for not having been able to do something about that." (Tried to find the post, couldn't find it yet.)
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The main thing is that the Slayer is making waves up in northern Kislev. Which doesn't have any nearby Dwarfholds but Vlag.

I suppose Mathilde is figuring that given what she's hearing, that she would have heard about him traveling up to Kislev if he was from one of the southern holds.
 
I wonder if we can enchant a tent to be bigger on the inside and create a bag of holding. Or get someone else to do it faster Mathilde flex's with the orbs.
 
Nurgle said:
I wonder if we can enchant a tent to be bigger on the inside and create a bag of holding. Or get someone else to do it faster Mathilde flex's with the orbs.
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Theoretically, we could try, but practically, no.

Boney said:
fictionfan said:
Shame there is no magic item for a bag of holding. @BoneyM Or is there?
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Serious answer: Some creativity with utility spells could get you partway there, but nothing with the straightforward utility of the D&D item.
Comedy answer: Pit of Shades, if you can work out one or two bugs.
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Boney said:
Andres said:
@BoneyM can we use Algard's pocket dimension magic to make a bag of holding?
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Algard couldn't use Algard's pocket dimension to make a bag of holding.
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I wonder how many wizards are experimenting with creating pocket dimensions or need financial support in researching pocket dimensions. @Boney if we wanted to find out if someone needed financial support to research pocket dimensions how would Mathilde go about that? I am looking for Algard's notes or any other ulgu wizard's notes. Really anything for enchanting a bag of holding or a tent.
 
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Nurgle said:
I want Algard's notes and a research team willing to do things for money. You know if we do not have to pay Borek back.
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Grey Wizards primarily deal with other wizards through the favour economy. Using excessive amounts of gold would be visibly flouting the Vow of Poverty. Unless you want a non-magical research team, I suppose, but I don't see how that would be of any help.
 
ReImagined said:
Grey Wizards primarily deal with other wizards through the favour economy. Using excessive amounts of gold would be visibly flouting the Vow of Poverty. Unless you want a non-magical research team, I suppose, but I don't see how that would be of any help.
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Mathilde is the least possible evil, corrupt, or problem causing Lord magister inher college. If she wants to through money around to advance research that would be helpful for the college I can not see them getting upset.
 
Nurgle said:
Mathilde is the least possible evil, corrupt, or problem causing Lord magister inher college. If she wants to through money around to advance research that would be helpful for the college I can not see them getting upset.
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It's the principle of the thing. Grey wizards are supposed to be "poor" and flaunting that this openly is bad. Therefore it isn't done like that.
 
Nurgle said:
Mathilde is the least possible evil, corrupt, or problem causing Lord magister inher college. If she wants to through money around to advance research that would be helpful for the college I can not see them getting upset.
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Nothing Boney has posted makes me think he's going to approve Mathilde getting into venture capitalism/RnD.
 
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