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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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firefrog600 said:
Also they'd have to be dumb to think we're a denarian we radiate too much power. Heck a naagloshii radiates more power than a denarian by a mile and we radiate more power than one of them by just as big a margin.
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You're making the mistake of assuming this dude has actually been around Denarians when they weren't trying to be subtle. Of course it's possible that he's got experience with them, but it's much more likely he's just heard horror stories around the campfire with the other practitioners who don't go out of their way to get involved in crazy shit, unlike Harry who is always neck deep in it for one reason or another.

[X] BronzeTongue
 
Artemis1992 said:
Pretty sure that's how our magic works on mortals.

Like using Exorcism on a Formori deal 10 lethal damage.

These spells were designed for Exalted and if a mortal's body can't stand up to them, that's their problem.
I suspect it would be very interesting and kinda messy if we tried to use something like that on a Fey Knight, Queen or Lady's Mantle.
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I think that's a special rule because formori have the spirit bound into them to the point where it mutates their bodies and minds instead of "just" possessing them. That's why it's listed as a separate line instead of the spell saying that it can do x, y, and z but does lethal damage in the process.
 
Goldfish said:
You're making the mistake of assuming this dude has actually been around Denarians when they weren't trying to be subtle. Of course it's possible that he's got experience with them, but it's much more likely he's just heard horror stories around the campfire with the other practitioners who don't go out of their way to get involved in crazy shit, unlike Harry who is always neck deep in it for one reason or another.

[X] BronzeTongue
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Anyone knowledgeable honestly would assume we are not a mortal though mortals simply don't radiate this much power.
 
BronzeTongue said:
So how does the conditional invitation and threshold thing work with Mouse?

He's a dog, but he's also sapient and probably smarter than the average human. Did he get away without needing to make that promise, and enter with an implicit invitation, or would Mouse attacking if his own initiative count as Harry breaking his oath since he technically owns him in the eyes of mortals, despite being more like roommates?

[X] Interject
-[X] Ask what he swore and to whom, maybe there is a way to thread the needle
-[X] Use excellency
- [X] Stunt: Molly leans forwards, and looks the old man over with a searching gaze. "Oaths are funny things. We hold to them so strongly, but often that which we bind the tightest is the first that we lose. Look no further than the fair folk to see how very important the will behind the words is in any promise"
-[X] "So tell us, what exactly did you promise, and by what terms?" Molly says with an almost hungry smile. "You might find that fiends and fey are not alone in being free even within the tightest chains, or powerful despite even the greatest vows."
-[X] "Help us help you, and none of this will be able to follow you home again"

He can see the hell power, so we might as well lean into the act instead of trying to get him to believe we just happen to like the look.

Can we roll intimidate not to scare the guy, but to give the impression that we can in fact chew what we're planning to bite off?
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He did not explicitly accept guest right so he left some of his power at the door. Presumably he values not being known more than he does keeping that power in the event he has to fight
 
BeepSmile said:
[1]If we ask the crown for the terms of the oath, would the 'topic burning' be focused on the oath itself or would there be a bit of... singing applied to other available topics related to the people involved?
[2] Full is a big scary word. Does this include Molly being seen socially by various powers as the oathbreaker?
(Orrr. Would she be seen as the Oathbreaker - i.e. one who shatters other people's oaths (and therefore very dangerous- as in 'probable threat')?)
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Yes to both, the crown would give you the information and yes you would be seen as n oathbreaker... because you are just not of your own oath.
 
firefrog600 said:
Anyone knowledgeable honestly would assume we are not a mortal though mortals simply don't radiate this much power.
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This is assuming knowledge on his part. The vibe will probably make him think we're not of the mortal world, but he doesn't have complete knowledge of what the setting looks like.

For all he knows senior council members, who might as well be magic demigods to a small town sorcerer, could walk around with auras like this. Hell, maybe mortals in a pact with a powerful enough spirit could look like this too.

There's also the issue of his actual ability to measure what's in front of him. He's not a wizard, so his senses aren't strong enough to allow for the sight. It seems pretty unlikely that he can get a high accuracy read on supernatural forces at the drop of a hat, then compare them to a database of known profiles to make guesses.
 
I suspect that Molly looks like the scion of an arch devil/Yama King and a mortal. And that's pretty terrifying.
 
The townsfolk didnt ask us to avoid this place for no reason though.
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Are you sure, because I do know a Gorfel and he sounds like a dangerous man to know, his friends even more." Looking past the man into the house I could just make out the picture of two dark haired girls smiling out of what looked like a holiday picture somewhere in the woods, like summer camping, next to that a misshapen vase, the kind a kid would make in art class filled with wildflowers. "The sorts who use long guns to shoot more than white tails.
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How old are these?
Do they look old or recent ie in the last five or ten years?
 
BronzeTongue said:
This is assuming knowledge on his part. The vibe will probably make him think we're not of the mortal world, but he doesn't have complete knowledge of what the setting looks like.

For all he knows senior council members, who might as well be magic demigods to a small town sorcerer, could walk around with auras like this. Hell, maybe mortals in a pact with a powerful enough spirit could look like this too.

There's also the issue of his actual ability to measure what's in front of him. He's not a wizard, so his senses aren't strong enough to allow for the sight. It seems pretty unlikely that he can get a high accuracy read on supernatural forces at the drop of a hat, then compare them to a database of known profiles to make guesses.
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few things yeah your mostly right this does basically assume an education which he may not have. Most white council would know the stuff we're radiating should not be on a mortal and pretty much universally is the kind of power you see on something at least more powerful than a lady much more likely someone like mab. Not everyone is white council and apprenticed under someone to teach this shit though. This does assume he isn't a wizard level talent which you know he could be its not exactly all that likely and even talents below that can be dangerous white council doesn't get everybody though your probably right though.
he'd be incorrect in assuming senior council radiate this much power not to any fault of his own. We probably radiate something closer to like eldest gruff someone with a mantle not quite mab though its kinda hard to tell who we compare to in pure radiating power. In pure potential I'd say we could kill someone like mab in a 1v1 what we radiate right now is 5% a darkhallow so I'd say more than a lady less than mab though?
Earth-Destroyer said:
We are essence 2 which translates to arete 4. Or a generation 7th vampire. That's a run away level of power.
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Since its also clearly dark power its clearly dangerous also I don't think most scions are as powerful as us given some could be.
 
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Alratan said:
He's cursed with a continuing magical effect that restricts what he can say. He may not be the only one. Having a way to remove effects like this could be very useful if we're going to run into this kind of thing.
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Water Dragon Style would probably break that
ESSENCE-DOUSING WAVE ATTACK

Cost: 6m, 1wp; Mins: Martial Arts 5, Essence 4; Type: Supple- mental Keywords: Combo-OK, Shaping Duration: Varies Prerequisite Charms: Bottomless Depths Defense

Smothering an opponent with the dousing power of pure water Essence, the Immaculate attempts to metaphorically drown and put out his opponent's magic. The Immaculate makes a normal Martial Arts attack. If he inflicts damage, the Immaculate's player makes an immediate (Essence + Martial Arts) roll at a difficulty of half the target's Essence. For three ticks per success, any Charms or spells affecting the target cease to operate. If the number of successes exceeds the Essence of whatever individual invoked the Charm or cast the spell, the magic is completely dispelled. The durations of inactive Charms continue to count down. Targets affected by this Charm can reactivate the Charms and spells that were canceled. Unless the Charms are stackable, people who suddenly have the same Charm active twice (as Essence-Dousing Wave Attack ends) gain no special benefit. This Charm can be used on friends to subdue unwanted effects, but the Immaculate must inflict at least a single level of bashing damage to trigger the effect.

This charm enhances an unarmed martial arts attack. It cannot supress Adamant or Obsidian circle spells and has no effect on astrological Charms.
But this is not Ex2E.
 
Breaking his curse is probably a waste of time. If we're going to invest that much in it we should just use a question to ask for this guy's personal history and figure out what the thule society wants him to hide that way.

Ideally we'd get as much as possible out of him short of that first, but using a question now is better than waiting until we have the ability to just break his bindings.

Plus, having the reputation of someone who facilities breaking contracts is probably not good for us. Outwitting them is fair play the world over, but outright destroying them is probably not worth it.

firefrog600 said:
is the kind of power you see on something at least more powerful than a lady much more likely someone like mab
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That's more than a little inaccurate. Molly is good, but she's still closer to greater fiend than demigod.
 
firefrog600 said:
Since its also clearly dark power its clearly dangerous also I don't think most scions are as powerful as us given some could be.
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BronzeTongue said:
That's more than a little inaccurate. Molly is good, but she's still closer to greater fiend than demigod.
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For the record figure we would rate about as powerful as a senior WC member. I would put Arete 4, which is experienced WOD Mage, but not a true master, as where the WC tops out at.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
Breaking his curse is probably a waste of time. If we're going to invest that much in it we should just use a question to ask for this guy's personal history and figure out what the thule society wants him to hide that way.

Ideally we'd get as much as possible out of him short of that first, but using a question now is better than waiting until we have the ability to just break his bindings.

Plus, having the reputation of someone who facilities breaking contracts is probably not good for us. Outwitting them is fair play the world over, but outright destroying them is probably not worth it.


That's more than a little inaccurate. Molly is good, but she's still closer to greater fiend than demigod.
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uhhh no like noooo 5% of a darkhallow is firmly demigod bullshit we're talking a level of bullshit which could kill mab when it get closer to 100% a lady can still be killed by like a good sniper and isn't actually as physically fast as us.
Earth-Destroyer said:
For the record figure we would rate about as powerful as a senior WC member. I would put Arete 4, which is experienced WOD Mage, but not a true master, as where the WC tops out at.

[X] BronzeTongue
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oh power wise I don't think we're tough shit just the stuff we're radiating.
 
firefrog600 said:
uhhh no like noooo 5% of a darkhallow is firmly demigod bullshit we're talking a level of bullshit which could kill mab when it get closer to 100% a lady can still be killed by like a good sniper and isn't actually as physically fast as us.
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We can also be killed by a good sniper.

It will take a few buys of Ox Body to change that.

Edit: Stop overhyping, we are near the start of a long journey to true power.
 
Artemis1992 said:
We can also be killed by a good sniper.

It will take a few buys of Ox Body to change that.

Edit: Stop overhyping, we are near the start of a long journey to true power.
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this is kinda funny since I basically just said I'm not overhyping I edited my comment lol. But, yeah I'm not saying we're all that great.

Edit: the ladies also can't literally catch bullets or slice them in half with a sword.
 
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Earth-Destroyer said:
For the record figure we would rate about as powerful as a senior WC member. I would put Arete 4, which is experienced WOD Mage, but not a true master, as where the WC tops out at.

[X] BronzeTongue
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That's fair. I was thinking in terms of how we register due to having an exaltation sitting around, but in terms of direct ability we're not that high up there outside of the bullshit that is hollow mind possession which is itself more cheating than magical swollness.

firefrog600 said:
uhhh no like noooo 5% of a darkhallow is firmly demigod bullshit we're talking a level of bullshit which could kill mab when it get closer to 100% a lady can still be killed by like a good sniper and isn't actually as physically fast as us.
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Most of that power is going into the exaltation just being around, it doesn't translate into actually ability on Molly's end. Even if it did, we don't actually have a scale on this. The dark hollow was an ascension ritual, but 5% of it isn't necessarily the same as being 5% a god, or a guarantee that other people aren't rocking that level themselves for one reason or another.

As to the bit on physical ability, you're basically talking about build differences.

If Molly only ever took crafting and manipulation charms, then became supernatural!Raytheon (Raytheion?) she wouldn't be able able to perform the same sort of physical feats she can with this build, but she'd have the same amount of supernatural power invested in her.

The ladies of the fey courts can't block bullets no, but they have their own esoteric bullshit to use.

You're really overhyping the 5% dark hollow thing and what it means for us in practical terms.
 
BronzeTongue said:
That's fair. I was thinking in terms of how we register due to having an exaltation sitting around, but in terms of direct ability we're not that high up there outside of the bullshit that is hollow mind possession which is itself more cheating than magical swollness.



Most of that power is going into the exaltation just being around, it doesn't translate into actually ability on Molly's end. Even if it did, we don't actually have a scale on this. The dark hollow was an ascension ritual, but 5% of it isn't necessarily the same as being 5% a god, or a guarantee that other people aren't rocking that level themselves for one reason or another.

As to the bit on physical ability, you're basically talking about build differences.

If Molly only ever took crafting and manipulation charms, then became supernatural!Raytheon (Raytheion?) she wouldn't be able able to perform the same sort of physical feats she can with this build, but she'd have the same amount of supernatural power invested in her.

The ladies of the fey courts can't block bullets no, but they have their own esoteric bullshit to use.

You're really overhyping the 5% dark hollow thing and what it means for us in practical terms.
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you make good points though honestly you really think the exaltation the 5% darkhallow is what we're using up? I'm fairly sure exaltations are basically creating energy ex nihilo like they don't actually have a limit they also don't work on conservation of energy like its theoretically infinite I know they ignore entropy. fairly sure that 5% is just natural radiation and basically a trickle compared to the actual thing.
 
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firefrog600 said:
you make good points though honestly you really think the exaltation the 5% darkhallow is what we're using up? I'm fairly sure exaltations are basically creating energy ex nihilo like they don't actually have a limit they also don't work on conservation of energy like its theoretically infinite I know they ignore entropy. fairly sure that 5% is just natural radiation and basically a trickle compared to the actual thing.
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Being imperishable presumably means that they can't starve to death, but being in power saver mode implies that they need (or prefer) to source some power externally.

That's also why Molly's attempts at mortal magic failed; her exaltation saw the power, but registered it as too weak to be a deliberate effect and reflexively ate it.

Essence has a weird relationship with energy, but I don't think being able to throw around any amount of "regular" power says much about essence and the rules for acquiring it.

My impression was that the comparison being made to the dark hollow was specifically because Molly's exaltation is doing the equivalent trickle charging off of ambient heat.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Being imperishable presumably means that they can't starve to death, but being in power saver mode implies that they need (or prefer) to source some power externally.

That's also why Molly's attempts at mortal magic failed; her exaltation saw the power, but registered it as too weak to be a deliberate effect and reflexively ate it.

Essence has a weird relationship with energy, but I don't think being able to throw around any amount of "regular" power says much about essence and the rules for acquiring it.

My impression was that the comparison being made to the dark hollow was specifically because Molly's exaltation is doing the equivalent trickle charging off of ambient heat.
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that makes sense though now that I think about it being on power savers a bit weird when essence inherently just makes more essence out of nothing.
 
On the matter of 'are you a god or not' the answer is a firm... maybe. In terms of the scale of what you can do, the spaces and domains you can affect you are not so hot. Your greatest act of lasting magic to date has been making your phone sapient. But the Exaltation functions by its own rules and not the rules of this age. It has absolute effects the likes of which even one of the Old Gods, or for a frame of reference you would have IC, even a Yama King cannot do. When Impervious Primacy Mantle says you cannot be turned against your intimacies it means it, if a Fallen Angel with none of the limitations imposed on the coin with all their ages of lore and transcendent knowledge tried to turn you against your intimacies the answer would still be:

No

In that manifests the divine heritage of the Exaltation, your deeds can be qualitatively absolute... and that is something that the realms of Lanka and Kakuri desired so much they went to war over even the smallest instant of it.
 
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