Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

No, most likely it would have resulted in us not being trusted, getting nothing at best, and politely asked to leave. The whole encounter was explicitely a test by the elder dragonblood and we only passed it by being as open and direct as we were. Your plan was, and I quote:
… Lying to her and misleading a third party because we're trying to deliver what we think is serious news about secret of hers are different things. Even if they weren't the approach we took was unequivocally a failure because it didn't differentiate between the parties in the room or the information uncertainties of the situation. It didn't make any attempt to shape the situation to better suit our purposes, which can be done without lying or being deceptive if you're so inclined.


Also, that statement wasn't a lie. We learned about the dragon from the Summer Fey, that event was following up on what they shared. So the point is moot anyway.


The bolded underlined part is what we get for being honest and open. Because we were already in the red as far as trust goes due to showing up disgusted
Guest right is a basic protection for the host as much as the guest and highly unlikely to be denied to someone already inside your house. Being direct with her is not the same as being direct with her in front of other parties with what we knew at the time and what she could presume about what we knew either. Selling the impression that we had a good reason to be sneaky would be part of the opening of our discussion. As it was in the event itself where much more egregious behavior was excused because of the reasoning behind our appearance.

I don't know what bizarro logic you're using here, but if say during the age of empires representative from England and France showed up in Russia their ambassadors wouldn't be presumed to be shady for not having a sensitive discussion in front of each other. Nor would deflecting from the topic at hand so that you don't give away information to a third party be particularly noteworthy.

I'm not trying to relitigate old votes or something here. The point I'm trying to prove is that you're making assumption which are not valid in line with other assumptions that aren't valid you've made in the past. You're effectively presenting a plan that treats an international summit like a faculty meeting and the differences between the two are not small ones.
 
We pretty much waived it by approaching them through deception.

No?

We announced who we were as soon as we arrived, and didn't break bay of the laws of hospitality during our stay, there was no reason to deny us guest rights. There was no deception in our approach of that negotiation.

And even if your reasoning worked, need I remind you that Odin was doing the exact same thing right in front of everyone at the time?
 
No?

We announced who we were as soon as we arrived, and didn't break bay of the laws of hospitality during our stay, there was no reason to deny us guest rights. There was no deception in our approach of that negotiation.

And even if your reasoning worked, need I remind you that Odin was doing the exact same thing right in front of everyone at the time?
We haven't, in fact, announced who we were. They already knew:
By the time you get to the Blue Lagoon, so named for the silica that forms a soft white mud along the bottom of the pool the sun had already dipped below the horizon, leaving the moon and stars to watch over a meeting with what you judge is a rather chastised Kristin and lady in a one piece bathing suit and what you can only call flip flops with flame decals who looks fifty and feels older in the same way as the heat shimmering off the water. But they do not come along. There is a third woman there whom you never met in your life, but recognize from the watchful stillness, from the way people seem to flow around her.

"Good afternoon," you politely greet one of Odin's Valkyries. Monoc Securities had found you after all.

"Ms Carpenter, I'd say I'm surprised to see you in this part of the world, but you have made something of a habit of showing up where events are about to precipitate, regardless of distance."
And the elder dragonblood described us as approaching in disguise:
"You have shown yourself in cunning guise to the children of the dragon, but not with trickery, you have proven that you are strong but not a foe..."

Basically, the way I see it is as follows:
1) Dragonblooded were already familiar with Odin, had prior dealings with him, and their relationship was at least cordial. They weren't worshippers of Odin, but at least sometimes allies.
2) Dragonblooded already knew everything important about the thing in dragon's belly. At least they knew it was affecting their birthrates. This was factored into a deal they have already worked out with Odin prior to us arriving:
Smiling reassuringly at Kristin, you turned back to Ragnhildur.... and decide to take the plunge. Hopefully this isn't going to turn into a thing, you did promise Mom that would come back today, if not in time for dinner. "There is one more piece of business I'd like to make sure you are aware of, as it is directly related to the continued survival of the dragon blood". Meeting her eyes, you continue in a crisp, serious tone. "The Old One does not hold their prize for the sake of having it. In truth, they took it for yours The honored dragon is drawing a special sort of essence from it, and shaping to sustain your lineage. I'm unsure if it can be completely replaced, but I can improve the power of your nest, make it more efficient, get more out of what is there."

The smile that lights up her face in response proves it was a good call even before she speaks, though you are still surprised at the answer. "Children take a while to carry, longer still to train," her look towards Kristin is pointed, but not overly sharp. "Now the age turns, the dead walk and the gods call to war. Short are these days as long has been the age behind it and, earth and flame willing, long will be the age after. When I was young there were two dozen of us, now there are less. That was part of the bargain we made the Lord of the Frenzied, access to all he might learn in the study and that he put that sight of his good eye and of the empty one to understanding the blood of the dragon that it might flow anew, that this new age that comes shall be ours as much as it is his. Old we might be but will not be left behind to wither and catch mold. Well did the mead of poetry flow, but we were not drunk on its sweetness Margret Daughter of Michael. If you wish to be part of the learning of the secrets for your own use I would vouch for you for you've shown yourself courtous in power."

We basically had nothing to bargain with in terms of information, save for Bob's interest in the prize - and not even that strategically, because Odin was also investigating that. This is why I keep saying it was all a test of our character. By showing that we were not trying to deceive anyone, we showed that we too can be dealt with without customary deceptions and were welcomed into their lands, something which we weren't before.
 
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We haven't, in fact, announced who we were. They already knew:

The first thing we did was find one of their member to talk with and announce we were there and that we wanted to talk, we were very much under the laws of hospitality from that point on.

And did you miss the fact that your next quote is all about how the elder is appreciative of the fact we were cunning and tricky? Why would asking to talk to someone on the side have reduced that impression instead of strengthening it given that we would have been talking about how to help her people when doing so?

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And on that:
We basically had nothing to bargain with in terms of information, save for Bob's interest in the prize - and not even that strategically, because Odin was also investigating that. This is why I keep saying it was all a test of our character. By showing that we were not trying to deceive anyone, we showed that we too can be dealt with without customary deceptions and were welcomed into their lands, something which we weren't before.

Odin didn't know what was creating the problem, your very quote points out that he had promised to search for what it could be, that's it.

We had the reason, and we didn't need to tell it in front of Odin like that.
 
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  • [X] Plan Teamwork
    -[X] Proxy Servant Protocol
    -[X] All Things Betray
    -[X] Equip Venator
    --[X] 2 healing potions (2 dot recipes)
    --[X] One speed potion
    --[X] An electrolaser if we have one in DPM
    -[X] STUNT: "For the record - you should be really, really careful about doing what I'll ask you to do right now" you say, extending you hand towards him in a symbolic gesture: "And now, please consent to me using my magic on you to improve our chances of survival"
    --[X] "And also take this" you continue in his mind:, while handing him some of your alchemical produce "these ones are healing potions, pretty similar to how they are in video games, and this one will make you move twice as fast for a while, but may leave you exhausted later"
 
The first thing we did was find one of their member to talk with and announce we were there and that we wanted to talk, we were very much under the laws of hospitality from that point on.

And did you miss the fact that your next quote is all about how the elder is appreciative of the fact we were cunning and tricky? Why would asking to talk to someone on the side have reduced that impression instead of strengthening it given that we would have been talking about how to help her people when doing so?
I read elder's assessment as a tally:
Approached in cunning guise - minus
But not with trickery - plus
proven that you are strong - neutral, but raising the stakes
but not a foe - plus
TOTAL: +2 social

Also, we did ask to talk on the side. The choice that is being re-discussed was between these two options:
"Ms Carpenter, I'd say I'm surprised to see you in this part of the world, but you have made something of a habit of showing up where events are about to precipitate, regardless of distance."

"I do hope this isn't the case here," Kristin's grandmother who introduces herself as Ragnhildur and looks on expectantly through the haze. Not being a wizard you are pretty sure she can't see though your glamor, but you have no doubt she's already leanred quite a bit from Odin's people if she's friendly enough to bring one along.

What do you reply?

[] Hopefully trouble hasn't followed me so far, but there's certainly the wrong kind of interest afoot (Explain Anti-Bob's interest in Odin't actions especially the Kingfisher's purpose)

[] No trouble, I just followed the ley-line and my own curiosity, it is uncommon to see works of magic so deeply entwined with those of modern engineering (Try to flatter them)
Elder Dragonblood asked us "is there trouble?". The choice was:
1) Yes, there's trouble, here's what it is
2) No, there's no trouble
3) Write in

Probably the ideal choice would have been "yes, there's trouble, but as it pertains to the hosts, I would like to tell them in private". @BronzeTongue also proposed this plan
[X] Plan Redirect
-[X] excellencies, FPoR, and any other applicable buff.
-[X] Attempt to imply that Molly is in the market for the assistance geomancers for something involving the portal in South America, but doesn't want to completely spill the beans to a third party.
-[X] [Stunt]: Molly replied, the words leaving an aftertaste like sapphire and subtle laughter as they left her mouth. "No trouble, not unless you count aftermath".
—[X] "Lets just say I've got a bit of a real estate problem I'm looking for expert assistance with"
Which was an outright lie.
Odin didn't know what was creating the problem, your very quote points out that he had promised to search for what it could be, that's it.

We had the reason, and we didn't need to tell it in front of Odin like that.
That's completely different from how I read it. You mean this part, right?
access to all he might learn in the study and that he put that sight of his good eye and of the empty one to understanding the blood of the dragon that it might flow anew
I read it as dragonblooded already having a pact with Odin - he gets the object he wants, which they at least vaguelly guessed to be connected to their birthrates, and studies it, and dragonblooded themselves. In return, dragonblooded get access to all the knowledge he uncovers.
 
I read elder's assessment as a tally:
Approached in cunning guise - minus
But not with trickery - plus
proven that you are strong - neutral, but raising the stakes
but not a foe - plus
TOTAL: +2 social

Cunning is a positive word, not a negative one, which leaves the entire *tally* as a positive and her liking our approach.

That's completely different from how I read it. You mean this part, right?
I read it as dragonblooded already having a pact with Odin - he gets the object he wants, which they at least vaguelly guessed to be connected to their birthrates, and studies it, and dragonblooded themselves. In return, dragonblooded get access to all the knowledge he uncovers.

That's in no way incompatible with my reading?

I said I think Odin didn't know what was happening in details, only that he knew something was and one of the potential sources, and that the promise he gave was about what he would find about it, which is the same thing as what you say here.

I was pointing out that we gave our bargaining chip (the fact that we knew what was happening better than Odin) spontaneously without any reason to instead of trying to negotiate.

As for this part:
Probably the ideal choice would have been "yes, there's trouble, but as it pertains to the hosts, I would like to tell them in private". @BronzeTongue also proposed this plan

You'll have to talk with BronzeTongue about it, as he would know more than me, but I am pretty sure he did give an explanation of his reasoning about it.
 
"in cunning guise but not with trickery". "not with trickery" is opposed to "in cunning guise". Thus I assume cunning guise to be a negative.

No, that's her telling *you were cunning and not tricky*. The first is a positive,the second would be the negative version.

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Actually, *instead of tricky* would he a better way of putting it, doesn't change the fact they she is praising us for being cunning.

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Actually, I have a better way of explaining what I mean:

If I told you you were *courageous but not reckless*, the reading is obviously that I am saying that you were brave and didn't go too far, not that I am reproaching you for being courageous.

Same here for cunning, she's saying she appreciates how cunning we were and didn't go for outright trickery.
 
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Arc 15 Post 94: Signs in Blood and Bone New
Signs in Blood and Bone

14th of March 2007 A.D.

As you step into the fissure, the air within somehow oppressively warm even though you know objectively it's only a few degrees different and still well below freezing you extend hand towards him palm up and fingers arched as though holding up a goblet: "For the record - you should be really, really careful about doing what I'll ask you to do right now. Please consent to me using my magic on you to improve our chances of survival."

An eyebrow arches curiously, though accompanied by a cautious nod so you continue holding out three vials color coded two red and blue: "And take these, first two are healing the second one is speed at the cost of being worn out later." You are half tempted to make it a video game reference, but from the matter of fact look your companion gives both offerings you guess this isn't the first time he's dealt with alchemical healing.

"More light in here than there should be," he grunts.

"Hmm...?" now it's your turn to wonder at the insights, but you see no reason to doubt it, adding instead that it seems to be warmer too.

The granite floor is marked with swirling patterns in grey and black, ghosts of long dead lava flows, but it is relatively flat and without obstruction, narrowing towards the southwest further into the mountain until it is only just wide enough for one person to pass though.

"I'll go through first..."

"No need," halfway though the sentence the voice beside you grows faint as if it had somehow retreated a dozen miles away while staying in place.

Turning to look you are greeted with an apparition of mist and swirling smoke though which pearly bones shine with eerie brightness, pulsing as if to an alien heartbeat.

"I can walk though the voids between."

Far be it from you to deny the help, though he wouldn't make it far if the fomori had warded the entrance to their master's prison or if whoever made it was as concerned about things coming in as getting out. As you take the first step you feel a current of air at head level and just barely see the roughly circular hole it's coming though before the creak of something very large moving hits your other ear.

"Caught it."

'It' as it turns out refers to a rusted but wickedly sharp pendulum blade that would have bisected your head had a selectively solid hand not caught it, but, possibility of grievous bodily injury aside, that is not what catches your attention. Instead it's the crude mark in the stone just below the trigger opening. This place was meant to be passed by servants or prisoners, their heads unsplit. With eyes bowed perhaps they should have walked into the next chamber, a vaguely ovoid gap in the stone with openings at odd angles venting steam that smells of sulphor and iron or...

"Blood, it smells of blood..."

Something tells you that if you are to check every opening from this room you will find one that vents the steam from this place outside where it flash frozen into that grusome incicle, but you press o, the path clearely marked by the lack of rubble in the way. At some point in the past a tremor had shaken this chamber hard enough to cause pieces of sharpened granite ranging in size from the size of your palm to that of your leg to fall leaving most of the floor a jagged mess.

"There are other chambers, southeast and north hidden behind the mounds...."

So as it turns out there are, though 'chambers' is perhaps overstating things, cells would be more accurate, uneven dark holes, dry as a tomb and twice as dark, none of the illumination let in by the vents reaches that far and all of them comtaining scraps of clothing tools and most damingly human remains, most far too decayed to judge what might have killed them, though several are found in a state that hints they may have been praying facing a wall when they fell over. Then after the eight such dismal chambers, having concluded that their occupants must have been starved to death if the deed was done with mundane means at all you hear a moan though the cracks in the stone and a moment later another hiss of steam boiling out of the foor of the coridor as if whatever power has dominion over this petty hell resents that it had dared even so much.

One look is all it takes to set both of you running down and down and through.

A figure sits on the firty floor, her orange jacked and pants caked with blood as she, you see the woman's face through blood and tears, cradles an older man who is very clearely dead, eyes wide and staring. Despite having blown though a wall to get here she doesn't seem to notice, despite the fact that you don't speak the language 'papa' is understandable enough.

"We're here...we're here to help. Who are you, how did you get here?" your companion manages, half shouting to make himself understood in his ethereal form.

She doesn't notice, lost to her grief.

"I can... I can help."

"He's..." the word 'dead' dies in turn on your tongue as the darkness in his anima floods out rolling like an echo of the black sea far far below and instinct older than words tells you the kind of help he means wouldn't be stopped by something so insiginificant as mortal death.

Day Caste Abyssal Using Vessel of the First Curse 1 of 3 Essence Spent

An image you had not thought of for many months, intentionally so, flashes past your mind's eye: the Winter Knight in his horrid torments. You had then the power to strike his chains and flee into the dark with him. This man is no Loyd Slade, but an innocent, yet the deed being performed to free him from death's embrace is darker by far, one that cannot be taken back.

What do you do?

[] Let things play out

[] Stop him
-[] Wrie in how

[] Write in


OOC: Enjoy. It's good to be back.
 
[X] Let things play out


Obvious choice. As long as he lives (kinda) things can be improved.
We can reduce the effects of the Curses and the Beast, maybe we can even fix is via reincarnation in our world.
But if he stays dead, he stays dead.
 
[X] Let things play out
SCIENCE! Abyssal will make a vampire, and we will hit him with our charms that cut off flaws and make his life better. And then we will see what happens.
 
Is he using the vampire making charm?

Yes, that is Vessel of the First Curse:

Striking a black spark off of her Exaltation, the Abyssal breathes a terrible curse into a corpse she has just exsanguinated with her fangs, dooming it to an eternity of darkness and thirst.
System: After drinking a living person to death with her fangs, the Abyssal may lean over the body before it grows cold, breathe into its open mouth, spend 3 Essence, and roll Willpower against difficulty 8. Success brings the deceased back as a 15th generation clanless vampire (see V20, p. 481). This peculiar form of the Embrace is otherwise subject to all normal Embrace restrictions and peculiarities when the Abyssal attempts to bestow it on supernatural targets.


Normally he would not be able to use it on someone who was killed by something else without the Apocalyptic Effect, but these are... special circumstances.
 
15th generation... If everything works as usual then he is almost on the verge of being almost not a vampire. Plus vampires without a clan are more capable of creating disciplines. I wonder how close such a vampire is to the already existing options...
 
So is he making a Red Court vampire or a Black Court Vampire? (Assuming that the metaphysics are being adapted for the Dresdenverse.)

Because if it's the latter, we already have a pretty big advantage in the wings for helping them.
 
So is he making a Red Court vampire or a Black Court Vampire? (Assuming that the metaphysics are being adapted for the Dresdenverse.)

Because if it's the latter, we already have a pretty big advantage in the wings for helping them.

You are making something aligned with the Abyssal so not Red Court, they are alive. The Abyssal doesn't seem to be calling to the not-child you encountered near the Sea though.
 
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