Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
It entirely something made up for the crossover so the exalted don't instantly stomp on the setting. By lore the exalted need nothing but themselves to run at full power at all times. If breaking creation, or altering creation to be antithetical to exalted was a viable option the primordials would have done it and won using it.
...even if those conditions would have been much worse for the primordial than the exalt?
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Exalts can't learn werewolf gifts and other supernatural tricks either. Because hot busted 🫔 that would get so broken so fast.
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I would think not....even if those conditions would have been much worse for the primordial than the exalt?
The Primordials survived fine in the Chaos and if destroying Creation could have defeated the Exalted, then they should have done that and remade the world.
Well, a world. Without Gaia it propably would have come out differently on the second try.
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that makes sense though I wouldn't say they'd completely stomp just stomp 90% of the setting. Things like the wyrm itself would probably be as hard to kill as primordials, caine is functionally omnipotent and can only be messed with by other omnipotents, powerful enough mages are damn near omnipotent, etc etc. They'd stomp the vast majority of the setting though and like anything weaker than a 5th gen vampire isn't going to be able to fight against moderately experienced exalted.
The Primordials are just fine without things like causality, linear time, and being in a perpetual state of war against an infinite, unkillable hoard of Rakshaa. etc. They could and did weaponize creation against the exalted. Not that that matters much as any Solar can nosell that....even if those conditions would have been much worse for the primordial than the exalt?
Only Autochthon can't handles being without essence, and even he has to be in a area with absolutely nothing to have problems.
Thats useful.
That tells us there were children here recently, and gives us an age bracket, since misshapen vases are not really an above-ten thing.
Grandchildren implies you had children to father them.
But the lack of any pictures of children who would have fathered those grandchildren continues to catch my eye.
Even dead children would still have their photos on the wall.
Either they were so estranged that even at their deaths, the man wont put up their pictures.
Or the kids came from his dead wife's dead children, which would require a relatively late, brief marriage.
Alternatively, the grandkids are changelings, with one of their parents being his kid.
And all the iron is for their benefit to keep fae away
QUESTION
What did Clippy tell us about this dude when we were still in town?
1)Is there any publicly available information on Old Man Mathews or his family on the Internet? Obituaries listing him as a survivor, or wedding announcements listing him as parent of the groom/bride? People complaining? Or gossip on local high school kid social media?
2)Criminal record? Arrests? Lawsuits? Property tax records?
3)Do we have a listing for when his wife died?
4)Is there any Mathews enrolled at the local elementary or high school? Not likely to be many unrelated Mathews in the school system of a 22,000 thousand population county.
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I have heard, though not looked for myself that a full circle of solar exalts is gameplay wise about an even match for a vampiric antideluvian.
Cain, naturally. Is invincible. The wyrm is too, but with the correct rite and a lot of help the wyrm can be fixed.
The stats on end time beings for mages are apparently bonkers.
Theion and his pals could have done that, if they'd thought to try before they lost. That doesn't mean Malfeas and his intestinal parasites could after they were broken.
It would makes sense that if they were going to the trouble of mutilating and imprisoning the primordials the solar armies, auto bot, and the other people on the winning side would stop them from being able to flip the table whenever they wanted.
Property records are where you would expect them to be, taxes are not public, other than that he is a ghost to the internet, no online presence, which given the nature of his TV is not that surprising. Molly thinks there is enough magic in the air in this room to short out a computer to hell and back.
So no birth records, or obituaries for members of his family?
I literally cannot say more without spoilers, poke ancient lore and find out
Not on the internet, remember this is 2006 not 2022. A lot of stuff had not gone digital; back then, especially the back-fill.
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Wouldn't that kind of thing require Archive-work?
In 2006 that kind of thing is not usually digitalized, so we would have to go into the municipal archive, or a newspaper's own archive and look things up the hard way.
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I can't find any references for antideluvian stats. So the person who told me this might have been passing on bad info. Or making stuff up who knows.
I am surprised. I imagine the vampire end tines book includes stats for anti deluvians but I'll have to look harder.
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Antideluvians stats in Vampire are "Nope".
In ExWoD there's a chapter on how you could stat out Antedeluvians, but no finished product.
At least he has a TV*side eyes Harry*
Which would give us a ballpark how long he or his family have been here, or if there was a time he wasnt living here.
Sorry I wasnt clear.
I specifically wanted to know how many decades he had been paying property taxes on this property/or propert records said he owned this place, and if the person before him on property records was also a Mathews, assuming the information was available online.
Which would give us a ballpark how long he or his family have been here, or if there was a time he wasnt living here.
Sorry I wasnt clear.
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Interesting. I know Caine had "you lose" on his character sheet. I figured antideluvians would be less impressive.
He has been paying property taxes since 1969 and the person before him was not a Matthews.
I think that it was due to direct stat comparisons in systems not meant to actually intersect and some of the same design problems that make a generic tank capable of killing hoards of high level demons.
Players aren't supposed to kill then easily, so they get huge stats that don't necessarily make sense in contexts other than fighting the players, which then don't play well with mechanics from another property entirely.
ExWoD even warns about something to this effect when giving that table showing a mapping of cross property power levels.
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It's been a long time since I read the Gehenna book, but I don't think it had the rules to directly fight the Antedeluvians.
Some things around the edges maybe, like distracting Tzmisce by damaging his fleshgarden-self, but no regular stats.
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To give a scale when the Ravnos Antediluvian, that is the founder of the bloodline whose main strength is illusion woke up as a ravening beast, so very much not at his best . It took three of the eldest of the Wuan Kuei to weaken him and then a technocracy sun focusing superweapon to finally kill him. All this was happening in broad daylight by the way, the Wuan Kuei having summoned a storm to fight under before the technocracy bombed them into oblivion
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I think it takes a nuke to kill an antediluvian minimum and that won't work on all of them and thats only if it hits. Some of them have blatant reality warping effects and instant disappear a city magicish things.