Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

So votes as they stand.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Aug 21, 2022 at 3:23 AM, finished with 149 posts and 17 votes.
 
Looking at everything from 1960: JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, Trump, Biden.
Besides the last two, every president since 1980 has gotten there in part on the strength of their good looks and personal magnetism. I think Nixon was the last one you can describe as average at best.
I still think that after the first look, Charisma plays the greater role here.
But maybe I've just been on D&D for too long, were Appearance and Charisma are the same. And most of Manipulation too.
So if this dude has halfway competent wards, he has a White Council wizard, a Temple Dog and an Infernal approaching his house and he can see its effect on his wards like a tsunami making the coastal water recede.
Dude must be terrified out of his gourd.

There is a non-zero chance the dude just starts blasting.
I don't think he would have survived this long if he was that type.
After all, this is a Wizard approaching his home. Might be a Warden checking if he's still on the legal side of magic.
Blasting first in that situation would have gotten him killed long before he got called "Old Man" anything.
 
we are also weaker than our vortex of power suggests anyone who attacks something radiating that much power is suicidally stupid. Cause we're packing an amount of power normally reserved for world shaking gods who can't attack mortals unprovoked.
 
Vote closed, let's see how Harry does.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 21, 2022 at 3:55 AM, finished with 152 posts and 17 votes.
 
Vote closed, let's see how Harry does.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 21, 2022 at 3:55 AM, finished with 152 posts and 17 votes.
The building was on fire and it wasn't his fault... :V
 
I know it doesn't currently, but the QM said we can upgrade Qiao into CMAs once we know enough of the Qiao we want to convert, and reading the first two steps, I can't think of how to convert that to CMA power levels without giving the ability to fly. It already lets you literally walk on air with just the first step of the puny mortal version, and we have precedent with that Mo Kung conversion the QM approved giving the mechanical benefits of Multi-Arm permanently at the first charm, so I don't see why flight wouldn't be off the table.
Yes, after learning enough of the mechanics.
But there's nothing that guarantees that CMA Cat will give you flight, or specifies how long you have to spend trying to reverse-engineer a CMA.

And frankly, the themes of Resilient Cat dont actually include flight.
Trackless passage, yes, flight no.
A CMA form is unlikely to change that.

You're looking at something very much like Crane Style, I think, just possibly without the nonlethality.
I still think that after the first look, Charisma plays the greater role here.
But maybe I've just been on D&D for too long, were Appearance and Charisma are the same. And most of Manipulation too.
I think people underestimate the impact of Appearance in large part because society associates ppl being impressed or swayed by it with being shallow, and noone likes to think they are shallow.

I mean, ignore the speeches; those are at best collaborations between the politician and his speechwriters, and sometimes the speechwriters do all the hard work. When was the last time you sat down to listen to a presidential speech, instead of just seeing POTUS doing presidential things on TV?

I don't think he would have survived this long if he was that type.
After all, this is a Wizard approaching his home. Might be a Warden checking if he's still on the legal side of magic.
Blasting first in that situation would have gotten him killed long before he got called "Old Man" anything.
This is a wizard, a Temple Dog and an Infernal approaching his home.
The magical signature of an approaching Warden is very different from the tidal bore that is an Infernal Exaltation, or so Im given to understand. And he may have heard of Dresden, but he's never met him.
 
Yes, after learning enough of the mechanics.
But there's nothing that guarantees that CMA Cat will give you flight, or specifies how long you have to spend trying to reverse-engineer a CMA.

And frankly, the themes of Resilient Cat dont actually include flight.
Trackless passage, yes, flight no.
A CMA form is unlikely to change that.

You're looking at something very much like Crane Style, I think, just possibly without the nonlethality.

I think people underestimate the impact of Appearance in large part because society associates ppl being impressed or swayed by it with being shallow, and noone likes to think they are shallow.

I mean, ignore the speeches; those are at best collaborations between the politician and his speechwriters, and sometimes the speechwriters do all the hard work. When was the last time you sat down to listen to a presidential speech, instead of just seeing POTUS doing presidential things on TV?


This is a wizard, a Temple Dog and an Infernal approaching his home.
The magical signature of an approaching Warden is very different from the tidal bore that is an Infernal Exaltation, or so Im given to understand. And he may have heard of Dresden, but he's never met him.
note as I pointed out anyone who attacks something radiating as much infernal power as us is suicidal. we're literally radiating darkhallow level power.
 
I mean, ignore the speeches; those are at best collaborations between the politician and his speechwriters, and sometimes the speechwriters do all the hard work. When was the last time you sat down to listen to a presidential speech, instead of just seeing POTUS doing presidential things on TV?
Well, I don't pay that close attention to the American President, besides reading about what he does.

But I've been paying varying amounts of attention to Angela Merkel over the 16 years she was leading my goverment. Basically my model for a top-politician, for good or ill, during the years I first noticed politics.
I would have never called her someone with high Appearance. (You can check out pictures of her from the last thirty years on the wiki-page, she never looked good)
What she always did though was the conferring the idea that she was calm, confident and knew what she was doing, regardless of the truth of that.

That is for me definitly an act of Charisma and Manipulation, not Appearance.
 
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Remember that Appearance isn't necessarily physical beauty; it can be just be how you carry yourself and the immediate impression you give.

Angel Merkel presenting herself as Mutti in a way that triggers immediate recognition of that as an archetype would be a form of high attribute, or an attribute specialty.
 
Well, I don't pay that close attention to the American President, besides reading about what he does.

But I've been paying varying amounts of attention to Angela Merkel over the 16 years she was leading my goverment. Basically my model for a top-politician, for good or ill, during the years I first noticed politics.
I would have never called her someone with high Appearance. (You can check out pictures of her from the last thirty years on the wiki-page, she never looked good)
What she always did though was the conferring the idea that she was calm, confident and knew what she was doing, regardless of the truth of that.

That is for me definitly an act of Charisma and Manipulation, not Appearance.
1)American federal politics is more...visual than European pols.

2) V20 Appearance:
Appearance
The Appearance Attribute is a measure of how
well a character makes a first impression. This may be
conventional "attractiveness," but it can also be the
effect of distinctive features, an exotic mien, an air
of confidence, distinctive posture, a flair for dressing
well — anything remarkable upon initial observation
can contribute to a character's Appearance.
Indeed,
Appearance is the amalgamation of many descriptive
personal characteristics. Appearance is subconscious
and instinctual — it appeals to the lower levels of the
psyche, so it shapes first impressions and the nature of
memories thereafter.

This Trait is useful for getting potential vessels to
heed your beckoning across a crowded dance floor. In
situations in which first impressions are paramount, or
that involve people who view Appearance as very im-
portant, a character may have no more dice in a Social
dice pool than her Appearance rating. Thus, it is criti-
cally important to either look your best or get to know
people before you start trying to convince them to fire-
bomb the Justicar's haven.
Under V20 rules, Merkel would probably be mid-high App.
 
I know it doesn't currently, but the QM said we can upgrade Qiao into CMAs once we know enough of the Qiao we want to convert, and reading the first two steps, I can't think of how to convert that to CMA power levels without giving the ability to fly. It already lets you literally walk on air with just the first step of the puny mortal version, and we have precedent with that Mo Kung conversion the QM approved giving the mechanical benefits of Multi-Arm permanently at the first charm, so I don't see why flight wouldn't be off the table.
Discovering, reengineering, and upgrading a martial art doesn't seem like a reasonable alternative. You're putting in significantly more effort in for the same end, and there's nothing in particular about that art that recommends it for this sort of upgrade.

If you want Resilient Cat because you like it that's one thing, but suggesting it on the basis of this specifically seems silly to me.

If the goal is just to get multi limb for the E2 RR, then getting mind hand manipulation for flight would make more sense.

Not sure I like that for the next 50 exp of build space though. The added utility of flight - whatever the source - doesn't seem that great compared to building up soak, speed, or subtlety charms.
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 21, 2022 at 3:55 AM, finished with 152 posts and 17 votes.
 
Arc 2 Interlude 1: Warden's Work
Warden's Work

21st of July 2006 A.D.

As soon as I crossed the property line I could feel the wards. Most people anchored their wards to the actual threshold of their house because it was easier and cheaper on magic, but the old Matthews place had a circle embedded in the very earth is stood on, it felt kind of scratchy against the inner senses, not dark necessarily but clashing with the normal magic of the land like it had literally been nailed to the skin of the eatrth. That would take either serious power, serious help or a hell of a ritual, the kind hell would approve of. I just hope it's option one or-option two. A warlock was always harder to deal with when they were part of a close-knit community like this one and not just in the practical sense. 'Sorry kids your grampa is a danger to every living thing out there' was no comfort at all.

"Does it help to partake of the guilt in advance of knowing if it is required my host?" a soft sultry voice floated up on the evening breeze. I thought of putting her back now that we were out of the demon-mobile and I no longer needed her advice on the matter, but I did not do it for two reasons: first because while I could shut Lash down in a moment letting her out to talk took focus and concentration and much as I hated to admit it she was the best expert he had on call when it came to demonic supper-weapons. With no way to know what Molly was doing until it was too late short of opening his sight and getting an eyeful of eldritch power that man was not meant to know Lash was the only early warning system on offer

"Thinking about the possibility is always required," I shot back mentally. "It's called having a conscience."

"Interesting definition... maybe I should make it a therapy couch next time."
The words were perfectly innocent, the tone was not, bringing to mind all the unprofessional one could do on one of those couches.

"Well you go think about that then," I shot back, willing the mental bindings back into being. If there is one thing I had learned in dealing with Lash it was that you should not make hard and fast rules for what is and is not acceptable talk or she would just treat the line like it's the highway and she is one of those big yellow tow trucks.

As I reached out towards the door it wrenched open and an old man who was probably the owner looked up at the three of us suspiciously. Between the still flowing curly hair turned almost entirely white and the respectable beard he looked more like most people's idea of a wizard then I did, though the striped colorful shirt made one think more of an aging hippie. Not really what you would think of as an ally if as Molly put it 'history's worse sore losers'.


"Howdy, what can I do for you Warden Dresden?" The smoky grey eyes flickered to my face for just a moment before dropping it too fast to be snared on a soul gaze, same with Molly but then his eyes dropped to her purse. He probably noticed the demon in her phone. A lot of sorcerers and folks with specialized talents have a particular sensitivity to the kind of magic they work with every day, in this case spirits. So if he is on the level he's all the more likely to spook him more.

"If I said the name Gorfel would that mean anything to you?" I asked, hoping to startle a reaction out of him.

"I don't know anyone named that," he answers quickly, too quickly in fact, like one who had been expecting to be asked the question and that got me thinking about the way he put it. It sounded very much like the way the fey lied, put the emphases on the right thing and it isn't a lie at all, not their fault if you misunderstood.

"Are you sure, because I do know a Gorfel and he sounds like a dangerous man to know, his friends even more." Looking past the man into the house I could just make out the picture of two dark haired girls smiling out of what looked like a holiday picture somewhere in the woods, like summer camping, next to that a misshapen vase, the kind a kid would make in art class filled with wildflowers. "The sorts who use long guns to shoot more than white tails.

"Then it's a good thing for me I don't know them..." the sorcerer said, more loudly this time.

"I bet he wished he didn't know his buddies when the sniper bullets started flying, but knowing goes both ways and spite makes for long memories," Molly cuts in, her words like a sword in the dark.

Lost 1 Essence

One that it seems had found its mark, the old man winces then steps a little aside. "Come in if you would vow not to harm any who dwell in this house and eat at this hearth."

"We enter as friends, as friends we shall depart," I quickly improvised a vow, 'as friends' does not mean you have to be friends and it put a solid end condition to the vow. Molly murmured the words after me.

Now that I could see the living room it was all the clearer how much it contrasted with the outside of the house. a big four person couch covered in a colorful patchwork quilt was at the center of the room with a hardwood coffee table, a stack of coasters on one end and a pack of what looked like Tarot cards on the other. There was a big tube TV in front of it the kind that still had dials. For his part Mouse judges the couch a good place to jump onto, tongue lolling a little out of his mouth... though you cannot help but notice that puts him just behind Matthews as he keeps talking after closing to door.

The walls weren't all just pictures of kids though, but bundles of woven grass, fur, teeth and claws. Now I'm no enchantment expert and certainly no expert in hunting and the trophies that came of it, but I could feel power humming in each of those, red and raw... and there were an awful lot of them, like someone 's been spending years putting this together year by careful year.

"I used to know a man who has taken to calling himself Gorfel, thought I knew him at least and that is a part of my life I don't want to revisit. If you want to deal with him Warden I have no quarrel with you, though mark that the man is as cunning with words as he is with sorcery." He paused and looked between me and Molly. "Many people have misspent youths, though few as bad as poorly spent as mine. Unfortunetly I did not come out of it with just wisdom earned the hard way. There are vows a man can't break for all the good will in the world, curses that linger in the blood. I can't help you find Gorfel."

So he doesn't know Gorfel's been captured, or at least that's what he wants us to think, I thought. The whole story sounded more plausible than not, but then all the best lies did and I couldn't help but notice that he was stonewalling questions anyway.

What next?

[] Let Harry Continue

[] Interject
-[] Ask what he swore and to whom, maybe there is a way to thread the needle

[] Write in


OOC: Not posting rolls for this one because knowing who won the social contests could be a clue one way or the other
 
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Barely.
Rage-spirits can't touch us directly due to mind-barrier and if they get physical enough to fight, we can hit back harder.
Or what do you mean?

He's cursed with a continuing magical effect that restricts what he can say. He may not be the only one. Having a way to remove effects like this could be very useful if we're going to run into this kind of thing.
 
He's cursed with a continuing magical effect that restricts what he can say. He may not be the only one. Having a way to remove effects like this could be very useful if we're going to run into this kind of thing.
If he made a vow voluntarily that might be very hard to break, even with Exalted Power.

Maybe an adaption of Oath-Shattering Strike, but that has drawbacks.

Edit: If it's just a regular Curse, then a Wizard should be better with countermagic than an Exalted trying to solve the issue with pure metaphysical muscle.
 
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If he made a vow voluntarily that might be very hard to break, even with Exalted Power.

Maybe an adaption of Oath-Shattering Strike, but that has drawbacks.
A quick google brought me this, so please advise me if I'm running with an incorrect wording:
Oath-Shattering Strike
Cost: 60m, 6wp; Mins: Martial Arts 5, Essence 5;
Type: Simple
Keywords: Blasphemy, Obvious, Sorcerous, Touch
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: One Hand Fury
The Green Sun Prince may liberate others from their ill-considered promises, though doing so is not without price. Akuma cannot learn this Charm, for its nature is metaphysically antithetical to the vows that enslave them. Oath-Shattering Strike may only be activated after flaring the runes of One Hand Fury through an activation of Infernal Monster Style. The Exalt must also know the terms of the magical oath he intends to shatter[1], and that oath must have been sanctified by a being with an Essence no greater than the Infernal's own unmodified permanent rating.
The Infernal strikes the target who swore the oath with an unarmed blow. Runes of power explode around the target, depicting the terms and authority of the oath in the moments before they dissolve into emerald fire and sand. The target is freed from the oath, but the burden for breaking it falls upon the Infernal in full as if he had sworn and deliberately broken the vow.[2] Whether this Charm is powerful enough to fulfill its ultimate purpose remains to be seen, as no Green Sun Princes with Essence 10 exist to test it against the promises the Unconquered Sun exacted from his defeated masters.
Anyway, for general use this might be nice to have except; @DragonParadox

[1]If we ask the crown for the terms of the oath, would the 'topic burning' be focused on the oath itself or would there be a bit of... singing applied to other available topics related to the people involved?
[2] Full is a big scary word. Does this include Molly being seen socially by various powers as the oathbreaker?
(Orrr. Would she be seen as the Oathbreaker - i.e. one who shatters other people's oaths (and therefore very dangerous- as in 'probable threat')?)
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[X] Interject
-[X] Ask what he swore and to whom, maybe there is a way to thread the needle - even if not directly useful, additional contextual data points might be useful for forming a better worded question to the crown if we do that later.
 
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We'd really want Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy before trying to use anything like Oath Breaking Strike.

It's not of a non-starter, I fear.
 
That I fully agree with.

If we go around breaking curses or oaths by taking them on ourselves, we need the Shaping Defence to actually survive doing so.
 
I'm still inclined to let Harry take the lead on this one. For now, at least.

[X] Let Harry Continue
 
from a doylist perspective we won't get exp if we don't do anything here I think.
So I vote to start a fight here and break our oath its the only logical choice. :p
 
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