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so no or yes? Cause yzarc probably does need a conclusion for this.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
To be honest, getting all attribute to 10 at E3 is powerful enough. Even at E4.
E5 is the "wtf? Hax" stage where you expect ridiculous things.
Are you sure you want to allow stacking at E4? Because at E4 we get the second shintai. So our bonuses go like this +10 Base Dex + 4 Shintai + 3 Second Shintai. So that is 17 Dex with a shintai. This is without excellency.
The second thing is, that funnily enough, there are surprisingly few things to raise cap outside of the shintai, which we will not be able to spam unless we jump through some hoops.
So I can change the 4 Dot charm, but I just want to clarify if you want to allow it as it does seem unbalanced if we pop a shintai and largely useless otherwise due to lack of any other Attribute boosters.
General; 4
Kakuri, Night Realm; 20
Lanka, Demon City of the Rakshas; 20
Hell of Being Skinned Alive; 20
The Wicked City; 20
Hell of Boiling Oil;20
Hell of Burrowing Maggots; 20
6 Crowns, 6 Hells, 124 Charms
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This seems really far too powerful for a three-dot power.
Maybe at 5, but even then it's pretty heavy.
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Eh I think its fine exalted by nature are very overpowered and even the current martial art lets us raise our attributes pretty high. Limiting this to 5 dots seems like a major nerf.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
We can get body of the dragon at E1. We need to roll wp but we can get ALL attributes to 8/9 on the devil hunter path as per raw E1.
So it is not overpowered, especially since it is gated at E3.
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Why would you want that?
It is barely rolled rolled and I kinda suspect that narrativly at max Appearance it warps back around to being unnaproachable to most people.
But even if not, it seems kinda like pointless vanity.
Appearance only matter to people we don't already know, for everyone relevant Charisma and Manipulation are more important.
It is the effect of a 5-Dot Qiao.
Then enhanced from 9 to 10.
And added to it the ability to ignore wound-penalties, which is a powerful effect in itself.
And then it enhances all dice to no longer roll 1s.
And then it greatly hinders divination.
That's 4 effects with values between 2 and 4 Dots at least all put together into one for the cost of 3 Dots.
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its also gonna take a lot of working to get it and is not a unique thing so please don't try to nerf it.
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Okay, first you have to actually mention that it is gated by Essence, since most Charms in this setting are by default not.
Secondly, it's not just the gate that concerns me, but the XP-Cost. Buying a scene-long array of effects that should propably take 3 or 4 Charms with various costs between 2 and 4 Dots for the cost of single 3-Dot Charm is simply not well balanced in my view.
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Sorry, but I think several of the effects are OP compared to either Qiaos or regular Charms.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Will adjust things. Give me a few minutes.
I forgot ebout the second shintai, best not to change it.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Alright, clarified a few things. The Charms are part of a Secret Art to be somewhat on par with the Sidereal arts.
Like Sidereal arts or Secret Arts, you can only purchase the charm if your essence is equal to the Charm Rating. So if it is a 3 Dot charm, you need Essence 3 to purchase it.
Due to being based on the Stat boosting Qiao and Infernal Monster Style, it has no bullshit or estotic abilities but instead gives a strait up power boost. So in that regard, at E3, having your attributes boosted to 10 is balanced by the fact that you can break that cap only at E5, which is the Bullshit tier.
I changed the E4 charms since it was underpowered for what it does compared to the other E4 Secret arts and adding Essence Dice in all actions attempt fixes it, putting it roughly on par with the other Secret Arts.
I moved the reroll 1s part to the E2 charm for much the same reason that compared to the other Secret arts, it was under powered.
I moved the Scurry Protection to E5 as it makes sense and the charm was too situational for the shintai and this lagging behind the E5 Secret Arts that were there previously. So
I left the Attribute booster and penalty reducer at E3 because it is a Secret Art on par with the others now. Having checked the others, it is, while powerful, not that powerful compared to effects like Poxes of Contagion Form (•••), which makes power/resource/Essence use hurt them and if they do, infect them with magic aids. There are similar charms on this level that are similarly bullshit.
I will not change that part but I have made some other changes as I adjusted the Charms to regular Charms and not as a Secret Art as it was supposed to be.
If you do not think the new changes are good, I'll Change it back.
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so essence 5 is when we can stack the attribute modifiers on shintai form?
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
2E had form shifting rules and Form type are incomparable anyway......I think?
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please no otherwise it makes purchasing them with exp worth far less. I wouldn't really want to get it at all if we can't use it in shintai.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Shintai is not form here. It is something different.
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I thought it meant making the martial art incompatible with shintai?
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
In 2E, Shintai's were Form Charms. Not so here.
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Okay, I can see that so far.
Would that be 4 x Current Rating in XP for the Charm (After going through the IC-effort to develope it all?
It's definitly a fitting Charmset for a Martial Artist Infernal.
As a personal opinion I would still prefer that rather than focus on building a style that only Molly would ever use, it seems better to rediscover/build a Terrestrial Style that enlightened mortals could learn.
Giving people like the Shih better options than their Qiao in the fight against the predators out there appeals to me, as does giving our special-forces from Hell an extra-edge.
That's why I was going with an Excellency rather than buying more dots.
But Investigation will help us figure things out so we don't need to waste our single question on something, or be able to ask a more focused question.
Eh, that's kind of what I've been doing with some of my suggested lists. Just without bringing the XP costs into things.
Can always try that.
At minimum, would hopefully get discussion so we know what charms and such are non-starters.
Lets say we have a 50 exp budget covering our next three point buys.
We want a perfect defense, some durability boosts, and some combat stuff in there so let's start with that.
I think we need either two complementary perfect defenses or one with a flaw we can solidly cover in the long term. My preference is counter conceptual imposition because it's issue is cost and not loss of function, but it's also expensive for us to get. So BME makes more sense; it offers good protection and a teleport ability to use even when we're not under attack.
Then Scar writ saga shield and Viridian legend exoskeleton for the soak gods.
Cap it off with wind borne stride, which is also the last of the common consensus charms that most of us already agree are worth the time
That leaves us with 24 exp to play with for expanding our utility kit.
We probably want some finance to manage those piles of money we want, so let's set aside 5 for that.
I'm split on how to spend the rest of it. Demon binding and crafting have a lot of potential, but I'm not sure what the most efficient way to expand on that is since we haven't used it yet. Also because I don't have access to the mortal sorcery path stuff.
For the moment I'm thinking lateral support instead of direct expansion. We talked about the combat potential of anonymity through priority earlier; regardless of how that actually pans out the charm would be excellent for getting around unnoticed and putting devils in things.
It's worth noting that the charm text doesn't allow people to save against it until we do something that pokes at them personally in some way, so presumably just wandering around an office building shouldn't trigger it.
I just now recalled that we'll want some exp reserved for magic martial arts as well, so let's spend 4 of our 11 remaining sample exp on getting boiling sea mastery since it'll make us better at everything to the tune of -1 difficultly for the price of a bottle of water and leave the rest for other uses.
I personally want to mess with regular magic more, but I haven't gotten around to buying the book yet to look at the details. So I'm going to list the last 7 as to be used on mortal supernatural stuff like martial arts and summoning.
So summarized:
- Combat:
BME for perfect defense, 9 exp
SWSS for soak reduction, 3 exp
VLE for soak dice pool increase, 6 exp
WBS for speed, 8 exp
- Support:
ATP for pseudo stealth to use with devils, 8 exp
BSM for -1 diff while wet and some ancillary aquatic benefits, 4 exp
Finance 2 for money problems, 5 exp
- Misc:
Martial arts and magic paths, 7 exp
The Infernal scribes a litany of the pain and hard-
ships she has endured upon her heart and her very bones, fortifying her flesh against harm.
System: The Infernal permanently lowers the diffi- culty of all soak rolls by one.
Looking at it now this is a little heavy on the combat stuff, and doesn't have as much magic as I'd like in it. Tuning it better would require more definite plans on what we want to do long term though, so this seems good enough for now.
I haven't actually played exalted before, so I'm sure there are mistakes in here.
The point was mostly to put together a generic baseline to compare against when making individual purchases.
We want a perfect defense, some durability boosts, and some combat stuff in there so let's start with that.
I think we need either two complementary perfect defenses or one with a flaw we can solidly cover in the long term. My preference is counter conceptual imposition because it's issue is cost and not loss of function, but it's also expensive for us to get. So BME makes more sense; it offers good protection and a teleport ability to use even when we're not under attack.
Then Scar writ saga shield and Viridian legend exoskeleton for the soak gods.
Cap it off with wind borne stride, which is also the last of the common consensus charms that most of us already agree are worth the time
That leaves us with 24 exp to play with for expanding our utility kit.
We probably want some finance to manage those piles of money we want, so let's set aside 5 for that.
I'm split on how to spend the rest of it. Demon binding and crafting have a lot of potential, but I'm not sure what the most efficient way to expand on that is since we haven't used it yet. Also because I don't have access to the mortal sorcery path stuff.
For the moment I'm thinking lateral support instead of direct expansion. We talked about the combat potential of anonymity through priority earlier; regardless of how that actually pans out the charm would be excellent for getting around unnoticed and putting devils in things.
It's worth noting that the charm text doesn't allow people to save against it until we do something that pokes at them personally in some way, so presumably just wandering around an office building shouldn't trigger it.
I just now recalled that we'll want some exp reserved for magic martial arts as well, so let's spend 4 of our 11 remaining sample exp on getting boiling sea mastery since it'll make us better at everything to the tune of -1 difficultly for the price of a bottle of water and leave the rest for other uses.
I personally want to mess with regular magic more, but I haven't gotten around to buying the book yet to look at the details. So I'm going to list the last 7 as to be used on mortal supernatural stuff like martial arts and summoning.
So summarized:
- Combat:
BME for perfect defense, 9 exp
SWSS for soak reduction, 3 exp
VLE for soak dice pool increase, 6 exp
WBS for speed, 8 exp
- Support:
ATP for pseudo stealth to use with devils, 8 exp
BSM for -1 diff while wet and some ancillary aquatic benefits, 4 exp
Finance 2 for money problems, 5 exp
- Misc:
Martial arts and magic paths, 7 exp
sCar-Writ saga shield (•)
The Infernal scribes a litany of the pain and hard-
ships she has endured upon her heart and her very bones, fortifying her flesh against harm.
System: The Infernal permanently lowers the diffi- culty of all soak rolls by one.
Looking at it now this is a little heavy on the combat stuff, and doesn't have as much magic as I'd like in it. Tuning it better would require more definite plans on what we want to do long term though, so this seems good enough for now.
I haven't actually played exalted before, so I'm sure there are mistakes in here.
The point was mostly to put together a generic baseline to compare against when making individual purchases.
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ehhh aside from the fact of all the other things we have that helps investigating without investigating we also can use the crown on more than one focus like items of a person, people, areas, etc etc. Also to actually be genuinely good it would cost us a lot of exp.