Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

It is a CMA/SMA. So only other exalted are going to learn it regardless.

If we want a TMA we also run into the "People do not have Essence" problem.

At least with this we MAY be able to teach it to our soul pantheion, if we ever get around to building them.
I'm aware. SMAs could only be tought by Siddies and only be learned by Celestials and Siddies.

About people not having Essence, our new Hell will be made of our Essence, if I read this right.
Infernals who purchase The King and the Kingdom develop a new Hell-Realm within their own Essence. The rules found below can be used to design the Exalt's new Hell.
So I am kinda optimistic that our locals at least can use Essence.

As for regular mortals, there are propably ways to Enlighten those to use Essence?
I know such things were possible in Exalted and if there's enough magic still around in the world to fuel Exaltations, then it should also suffice for some Heroic Mortal Martial Artists.
 
We do not need to lnow the MA to get people to know it. We can form souls to learn it and teach people.

Regardless, it is of VERY limited utility gived how little they would have and how they do not have an exaltation to help regen Essence.
 
We do not need to lnow the MA to get people to know it. We can form souls to learn it and teach people.
That's a point, but there are not even canonical Charms to create Subsouls.

First we have to invent the costum Charm, then we have to form subsoul with an affinity for the martial arts, then it can learn and teach TMA.
Sounds like a plan, for the far future.
 
ehhh aside from the fact of all the other things we have that helps investigating without investigating we also can use the crown on more than one focus like items of a person, people, areas, etc etc. Also to actually be genuinely good it would cost us a lot of exp.
Never said more than 2 dots of it, and an excellency, which would be fine for 'now' circumstances.
 
Never said more than 2 dots of it, and an excellency, which would be fine for 'now' circumstances.
That's 9 exp though, and we aren't an investigator. We're in the Dresden Files, but that doesn't mean we need to be a PI.

What would two dots in investigate help us do that we're struggling with now? How would it help more than the other things we could spend that experience on?
 
Why would you want that?
It is barely rolled rolled and I kinda suspect that narrativly at max Appearance it warps back around to being unnaproachable to most people.

But even if not, it seems kinda like pointless vanity.
Appearance only matter to people we don't already know, for everyone relevant Charisma and Manipulation are more important.
Because it has narrative social impact.
I quote:
V20 Appearance said:
Appearance
The Appearance Attribute is a measure of how
well a character makes a first impression. This may be
conventional "attractiveness," but it can also be the
effect of distinctive features, an exotic mien, an air
of confidence, distinctive posture, a flair for dressing
well — anything remarkable upon initial observation
can contribute to a character's Appearance. Indeed,
Appearance is the amalgamation of many descriptive
personal characteristics. Appearance is subconscious
and instinctual — it appeals to the lower levels of the
psyche, so it shapes first impressions and the nature of
memories thereafter.

This Trait is useful for getting potential vessels to
heed your beckoning across a crowded dance floor. In
situations in which first impressions are paramount, or
that involve people who view Appearance as very im-
portant, a character may have no more dice in a Social
dice pool than her Appearance rating. Thus, it is criti-
cally important to either look your best or get to know
people before you start trying to convince them to fire-
bomb the Justicar's haven.


• Poor: Your clothes stink, you turn
people off right away, or you're just
damned ugly.
•• Average: You don't stand out in a
crowd, for better or for worse.
••• Good: "Let me buy you a drink."
•••• Exceptional: People go out of their
way to make your acquaintance.
••••• Outstanding: People never forget you.

Specialties: Unconventional Looks, Photogenic,
Fashion Sense, Unforgettable Face, Memorable Pose
W20 Appearance said:
Appearance
Appearance measures how well a character makes
a first impression. It covers posture, body language, and
unconscious expressions along with physical appearance —
anything remarkable on first impression can contribute to
a character's Appearance. Appearance is subconscious and
instinctual; as such, even lupus with no context for what
makes an "attractive" human being still react to people
who make strong first impressions. When first impressions
are paramount, or people set a great deal of stock by how
someone looks and carries herself, a character can have
no more dice in a Social dice pool than her Appearance
Trait. It's important to either get to know people or dress
to impress before you try convincing them to burn down
a Hive.


• Poor: You turn off both wolves and humans with
your presence.
•• Average: You're just another face in the crowd.
••• Good: People keep trying to buy you drinks, even
if you refuse.
•••• Exceptional: People stop you in the street just to
make your acquaintance.
••••• Outstanding: Nobody can forget meeting you.

Specialties: Genial, Exotic, Alluring, Noble Bearing
1)Vanity

2)Narrative: A bunch of casual encounters are gated behind App requirements, and without meeting a minimum, some wont even proc because the other person will avoid you or alter their behavior. Look at our encounter with Church Karen, and how she didnt feel comfortable approaching us(Word of QM) when our Appearance score was 1.

Not to mention that we'll have a much easier time with the new Hell IC if we look the part of new overlady.
Plus, ruler of the newest hell and Demon Empress candidate.
Look the part.

3)Mechanics: The majority of humans consider Appearance very important. So do Fae. If the QM wasnt using houserules, a lot of time-sensitive social encounters, from our first meeting with McCoy to the Gorfels encounter to Brother Divishaur? Maximum social dicepool of (Appearance) by RAW.

We wouldnt have enjoyed rolling 1 dice for first impressions with the Blackstaff while feeling like an archdevil out for a stroll.

Not to mention there are for lots of logical Appearance rolls:

Appearance + Intimidation is a logical rout check in a fight against a gang of mortals, or to get a bunch of hostiles to back down. Appearance + Subterfuge to charm a cop into ignoring an exposed weapon or running a red light. Appearance + Empathy to get a guard to bend some rules to let you into a restricted area, or to get the club bouncer to skip you past the line at the club.

We are going to spend a lot of this quest dealing with people who we dont already know.
Getting them to believe us, to give us information, to do us favors.
Having the power of Pretty Privilege on our side matters. Or would have mattered.
 
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That's 9 exp though, and we aren't an investigator. We're in the Dresden Files, but that doesn't mean we need to be a PI.
What would two dots in investigate help us do that we're struggling with now? How would it help more than the other things we could spend that experience on?
Note:
9XP would be two dots of Investigation(3XP from 0 to 1, 2XP from 1 to 2) and 4XP for an Investigation Excellency.
If you only want Investigation 2, its 5XP.

The primary reason is likely to be soft, narrative reasons.
Investigation 2 is rated as roughly better than a rookie cop, but not as good as a detective:
Investigation
Investigation ties physical evidence, witness
statements, and lucky finds together into a coherent
narrative that tells the character what actually happened.
A character with high Investigation can distinguish
murder from accident, and follow up on leads to solve
thefts and kidnappings. This Knowledge also covers
general forensic procedures, such as lifting fingerprints,
tracing bullet paths, and approximating time of death.
Note that Investigation is rooted entirely in evidence
and witness statements, the feats of induction common
to TV detectives fall to Enigmas.

• Student: You know how to construct a web search
that will find what you want.
•• College: You can tear holes in a rookie cop's case.
••• Masters: You could make a living as a detective.
•••• Doctorate: The FBI wants you to work for them.
••••• Scholar: No scrap of evidence escapes your at-
tention.

Possessed by: Detectives, Mystery Buffs, Reporters,
Policemen, Stalkers, Special Agents
Specialties: Evidence, Ballistics, Forensics,
Fingerprints, Searches, Internet Research

That said, Investigation is not a core part of Molly's themes.
She has people for that, or will, and can talk people into telling her their findings.
So while I'd like to put XP in it, its relatively low priority right now.
 
Narrative: A bunch of casual encounters are gated behind App requirements, and without meeting a minimum, some wont even proc because the other person will avoid you or alter their behavior. Look at our encounter with Church Karen, and how she didnt feel comfortable approaching us(Word of QM) when our Appearance score was 1.

Not to mention that we'll have a much easier time with the new Hell IC if we look the part of new overlady.
Plus, ruler of the newest hell and Demon Empress candidate.
Look the part.
I would have been happy enough if Church Karen hadn't dared to talk to us.

As for our lordship, we can propably go fully armored and once we are getting started most relevant things will be Cha plus Leadeship, which we are good at.
Appearance + Intimidation is a logical rout check in a fight against a gang of mortals,
Strenght seems like the better attribute here, in the V20 examples it's Str or Man plus Intimidate.

Appearance + Subterfuge to charm a cop into ignoring an exposed weapon or running a red light.
Good looks alone don't help much here and once we are talking we can apply Manipulation.
Appearance + Empathy to get a guard to bend some rules to let you into a restricted area, or to get the club bouncer to skip you past the line at the club.
Possible.


We are going to spend a lot of this quest dealing with people who we dont already know.
Getting them to believe us, to give us information, to do us favors.
Having the power of Pretty Privilege on our side matters. Or would have mattered.
I would have gladly chosen to reject that in favor of being the creepy ice-goth, that you can nevertheless not ignore for the passion in her voice and the cunning of her words.
(And in case of magical beings for the maelstrom of power making it obvious that ignoring her is a bad idea).
 
I would have been happy enough if Church Karen hadn't dared to talk to us.

As for our lordship, we can propably go fully armored and once we are getting started most relevant things will be Cha plus Leadeship, which we are good at.

Strenght seems like the better attribute here, in the V20 examples it's Str or Man plus Intimidate.


Good looks alone don't help much here and once we are talking we can apply Manipulation.

Possible.



I would have gladly chosen to reject that in favor of being the creepy ice-goth, that you can nevertheless not ignore for the passion in her voice and the cunning of her words.
(And in case of magical beings for the maelstrom of power making it obvious that ignoring her is a bad idea).
1) Much happier that she did.
We scored a shitload of social benefits from that one short encounter. There are other social encounters that afford us contacts, information, reputation and more, but people have to want to be around you and approach you.

As for our Hell, we're looking at major city to state population. Millions of people.
We will only know a double handful of people even moderately well. Appearance still matters there.Especially since most of those people will know fuckall about us besides the image we present, and our Expression is 0 so we're not writing stirring speeches.

2)If you can justify an Attribute, you can use it.

Strength + Intimidate would be a stunt that has you break something, or throw someone who you'd already beaten, or a similar display of strength. Dexterity + Intimidate would be something flashy like cutting an arrow or a bullet out of the air, or kicking an empty bottle into someone's head and KOing them.

Appearance + Intimidate would be to freeze someone with a look.
Or to take a stance where your willingness to commit lethal violence was explicit.
Or even just letting the sounds of, say, your heels echo ominously as you approach a group.

3)You would be surprised, or appalled, how much it does matter in day to day interactions btw law enforcement and the public.

Hell, pretty people even get paid more for doing the same job in the real world.
I honestly dont see how you can make the argument that good looks alone dont help that much in a world where White Court lust vampires exist and thrive.

4)Molly isnt a goth, and has never been one.
She has always been about the colors and brightness, not the gloom.
Punk, yes. Goth, no.

Also, every naagloshii has a vortex of power.
Doesnt make them very popular.
We actually want people to listen to us, not just be intimidated into silence or flight.
 
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1) Much happier that she did.
We scored a shitload of social benefits from that one short encounter. There are other social encounters that afford us contacts, information, reputation and more, but people have to want to be around you and approach you.

As for our Hell, we're looking at major city to state population. Millions of people.
We will only know a double handful of people even moderately well. Appearance still matters there.
Especially since most of those people will know fuckall about us besides the image we present, and our Expression is 0 so we're ot writing stirring speeches.

2)If you can justify an Attribute, you can use it.

Strength + Intimidate would be a stunt that has you break something, or throw someone who you'd already beaten, or a similar display of strength. Dexterity + Intimidate would be something flashy like cutting an arrow or a bullet out of the air, or kicking an empty bottle into someone's head and KOing them.

Appearance + Intimidate would be to freeze someone with a look.
Or to take a stance where your willingness to commit lethal violence was explicit.
Or even just letting the sounds of, say, your heels echo ominously as you approach a group.

3)You would be surprised, or appalled, how much it does matter in day to day interactions btw law enforcement and the public.

Hell, pretty people even get paid more for doing the same job in the real world.
I honestly dont see how you can make the argument that good looks alone dont help that much in a world where White Court lust vampires exist and thrive.

4)Molly isnt a goth, and has never been one.
She has always been about the colors and brightness, not the gloom.
Punk, yes. Goth, no.

Also, every naagloshii has a vortex of power.
Doesnt make them very popular.
We actually want people to listen to us, not just be intimidated into silence or flight.
note no disagreement we radiate far more power than a naagloshii though.
 
Yup.
People are gonna run away even faster :V

There's a reason I dont want to go to McAnally without either Michael or Dresden to vouch for us.
in fairness its neutral ground a demon could probably actually walk in there if they didn't cause some kind of problem. We're potentially the scariest thing to go in there only potentially though plenty of gods and beings of said power have walked through the place. But, yeah it'll be fun.
 
Random thoughts regarding my earlier attempt at adapting Cinnabar Blossom Inhalation I forgot to include earlier

Quicksilver sap is a toxin that deals lethal damage.

Second, when I said conventional medical tools, I meant drugs and medicines. Our mercury vaporous blood can substitute for conventional drugs/medicines.

Original Blurb
CINNABAR BLOSSOM INHALATION
Cost: 7m, 0-1hl; Mins: Essence 2; Type: Simple (Speed 7, DV -1)
Keywords: Combo-OK, Poison, Touch
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Mercurial Sap Embrace

The precious red flowers of Szoreny once cured all ills. They could not cure the inversion the Exalted
inflicted upon him, however, and now they languish underground.
This Charm functions as the Solar Charm Instant Treatment Methodology, save that the Infernal can
optionally bypass the requirement for any required drugs or medicines by taking one bashing health
level, releasing quicksilver vapour which has a faint floral smell. This inflicts one dose of quicksilver
sap on the patient. The Infernal can treat himself with this Charm.
 
in fairness its neutral ground a demon could probably actually walk in there if they didn't cause some kind of problem. We're potentially the scariest thing to go in there only potentially though plenty of gods and beings of said power have walked through the place. But, yeah it'll be fun.
It's Accorded neutral ground, so technically Nicodemus could drop by for a drink. That doesn't stop the minor practitioners, changelings, and assorted other entities from reacting when someone like that walks into the room.

See how they react when the fae ladies show up, despite the Accords being their idea. Hell, they even react to Harry that way depending on what exactly he's been up to lately.

Going in without an escort for the first trip or so would probably result in people leaving as quickly as they can, then screwing right off to a hidey hole and pulling the entrance in behind them for a few days at least.
 
@uju32 a small note here Charisma is not just for personal interactions it is for all interactions when you can bring your force of personality to bear, which include political speeches as a head of state. I mean look down the list of US presidents, I do not think most of them got on there on the strength of their good looks and magnetism. :V
 
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Might I suggest that, at Essence 3, we use Rage Recast to get multiple limbs? Telekinesis version. Need weapons to use them for melee combat though.
We can get it for our E2 buy. I'm still not sold on flight. Especially once I realized the Resilient Cat style converted to a CMA would probably grant flight in the first 2 dots without taking up a slot. And since that style also offers a Perfect Defense with the only requirement being "must be standing on solid ground," I think it's worth looking at anyway. (Seriously, I completely changed my opinion of the style when I saw the fourth step. It's way better than anything kludged together by mortals for mortals has any right to be. I think one of our four dot infernal charms is arguably a worse version of resilient cat step four, or at least more situational.)
 
This is great, but maybe it would need some version of aura-sight (like Hellscry Chakra) first?
You need to know the auras to copy them after all.
Thanks for the feedback. While I sort of agree with you, I decided to write it as it is for two reasons. The first is prerequisites are not a thing for the most part in ExvsWod and it would be weird to require a Charm from a different Key Charmset. The second and more important one is that the original 2e version played even more fast and loose. It upgraded Loom-Snarling Decption and had no limits like that. You could create an identity without even knowing anything about what you're trying to imitate.

I would propably increase the range of the Signature-effect though, no need to have all your minions cluster around you.
I was thinking about the range on that. I do not want the range to be huge, but I could see making it bigger. 6 feet to start with is a little harsh now that I think about it more. Maybe Essence rating x 3? That would be 18 feet. Still not huge, but you would not have to be super close.
 
COMMENTARY
-And so Molly gets the idea in her head that the Beetle needs to retire, even if only for Mouse's sake.
Maybe rebuilding a Cadillac or Camaro or a Dodge or Crown Victoria, something from the 1960s/1970s, will work.
Staying in Mouse's good books is worth doing.

-An Infernal, a Temple Dog and a wizard walk into town....Sounds like the first lines of a joke.

-It bears noting that disliking, and being disliked, by the fae is not by itself a red flag; a lot of sidhe are arsholes, and the Little Folk suffer for that reputation. Not that they are always blameless.

The ghosts having a negative opinion is more of a warning sign, but native American ghosts wont necessarily have the fondest opinions of a white hedge sorcerer on formerly tribal lands, especially when he doesnt observe any of the proprieties.
That said, two black marks.

-Old Man Mathews gives some idea of his age.
But an old widower with grandchildren but no mention of his children?
Thats odd.

-Going to note that wizards behind their own wards can tell when powerful mojo is approaching their home.
I am referencing the scene in Death Masks where Harry meets Ivy for the first time when she visits his flat, and he detects her approaching his house by the way her magical weight affected his wards.

So if this dude has halfway competent wards, he has a White Council wizard, a Temple Dog and an Infernal approaching his house and he can see its effect on his wards like a tsunami making the coastal water recede.
Dude must be terrified out of his gourd.

There is a non-zero chance the dude just starts blasting.

-That house's appearance is likely an illusion.
It looks too decrepit not to be the result of someone layering either glamor or aversion mojo to discourage visitors.
And glamor would be more appropriate for someone apparently conversant with fae glamor.

Either that, or he doesnt care at all, which is unlike many farmers.

Wild guess is that he's a Master Black Court vampire with a resident scourge and a line in necromancy.
Which would explain why the ghosts dont like him, why he lives with a bunch of family obviously much younger than he is, and why he's doing his best to keep the Little Folk out of spying range of his home, as information security.

Now thats social dominance.
Rolling 12 successes on a dice pool of 12 dice is simply monstrous
And Harry doesnt get the Mom bonus :V

Loling at Harry trying to covertly hold a conversation
I wonder when Lash will eventually tell him that Molly can tell quite well that he's holding an inner conversation.
Maybe when it stops amusing her.

The Beige Wagon is putting in work.
@uju32 a small note here Charisma is not just for personal interactions it is for all interactions when you can bring your force of personality to bear, which include political speeches as a head of state. I mean look down the list of US presidents, I do not think most of them got on there on the strength of their good looks and magnetism. :V
To the contrary.

Looking at everything from 1960: JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, Trump, Biden.
Besides the last two, every president since 1980 has gotten there in part on the strength of their good looks and personal magnetism. I think Nixon was the last one you can describe as average at best.

I discount the speeches; they have professional speechwriters.
We can get it for our E2 buy. I'm still not sold on flight. Especially once I realized the Resilient Cat style converted to a CMA would probably grant flight in the first 2 dots without taking up a slot. And since that style also offers a Perfect Defense with the only requirement being "must be standing on solid ground," I think it's worth looking at anyway. (Seriously, I completely changed my opinion of the style when I saw the fourth step. It's way better than anything kludged together by mortals for mortals has any right to be. I think one of our four dot infernal charms is arguably a worse version of resilient cat step four, or at least more situational.)
Resilient Cat does not currently offer flight.
And probably wont as a CMA, assuming we could make one.
 
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Resilient Cat does not currently offer flight.
And probably wont as a CMA, assuming we could make one.
I know it doesn't currently, but the QM said we can upgrade Qiao into CMAs once we know enough of the Qiao we want to convert, and reading the first two steps, I can't think of how to convert that to CMA power levels without giving the ability to fly. It already lets you literally walk on air with just the first step of the puny mortal version, and we have precedent with that Mo Kung conversion the QM approved giving the mechanical benefits of Multi-Arm permanently at the first charm, so I don't see why flight wouldn't be off the table.
 
It's Accorded neutral ground, so technically Nicodemus could drop by for a drink. That doesn't stop the minor practitioners, changelings, and assorted other entities from reacting when someone like that walks into the room.

See how they react when the fae ladies show up, despite the Accords being their idea. Hell, they even react to Harry that way depending on what exactly he's been up to lately.

Going in without an escort for the first trip or so would probably result in people leaving as quickly as they can, then screwing right off to a hidey hole and pulling the entrance in behind them for a few days at least.
Went to bed when you said this and your absolutely right I said we'd likely be allowed in not that we wouldn't cause a scene.
 
If we bought Thoughts Resound in Silence, could we listen in to Harry talking with Lash, or would we still only get Harry's part of the exchange because Lash's answers are not exactly his surface-thoughts?
 
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