Marcone is a mortal, not relevant to an Exalted. Molly powerbase and control over the city will suppass his quickly. Just Demonic primacy of Essence, and maggot mana plague would let us take over the Undertown really easy.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
Citation very much needed.
This is not Creation, dude, nor is it the Ex2E setting.
Do you actually know what happened in 1066 irl?
I want to assume you do but if not here's some links
Battle of Hastings - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
1066 and the Norman Conquest
Find out all about the Battle of Hastings, learn about the momentous events of 1066, and discover how the Norman Conquest transformed England.www.english-heritage.org.uk
If it's related to the aesir, the Battle of Stamford Bridge shortly before the Battle of Hastings may be more relevant:
Battle of Stamford Bridge - Wikipedia
I really doubt that. Marcone isn't a god, but he is very very good at what he does.
If we establish a good information network, get some money flowing, and plan it out properly we could probably kill him s few months from now. Even then it wouldn't be without consequences.
We've seen Marcone's defenses, they involve fighting through high grade wards and squads of einherjar and Valkyries. A squad of shitty werewolves who can't even really pull off a hit has the power to kill us right now if they get lucky. Imagine fighting large numbers of more competent minions.
That's just the physical level too; striking back while we're striking at him is entirely possible.
Killing him successfully wouldn't be a spur of the moment thing we do while we're handling other chores; it'd be an involved operation all its own.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
That's the one where the juiced up berserker got a spear shoved up his ass wasn't it? We're taught about it but it's not considered too relevant irl, from what I can recall I think the vikings were bribed to leave after they lost. I'll just check the article.If it's related to the aesir, the Battle of Stamford Bridge shortly before the Battle of Hastings may be more relevant:
Battle of Stamford Bridge - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Edit:
After thinking about it, the Norwegian invasion definitely allowed for a large amount of time to set up for the normans, exhausting the English and allowing for a decisive victory for the normans.
Last edited:
You could literally kill Marcone by tapping him on the back. Green Sun Nimbus Flare requires an attack, though not necessarily damage and having nuclear hate-fire erupt from within is universally lethal to mortals. Of course Molly is really not the type to assassinate him like that but you could technically do it with a single touch.
Yeah, but the point I was making is that Marcone is aware that he's squishy and plans around it. The only way we'd get into a room with him to try that is if we have someone with an established relationship walk us in and then abuse the implicit hospitality to attack. Which is an exceedingly bad rep to have with supernaturals.
The only reason he met Dresden face to face so many times is because of the soul gaze from one of their early meetings. Marcone knows how Harry operates and exploits it.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Jumps up to/teleports to wherever he's located tap him once and leaves
Jk
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
I don't see why we would ever want to kill Marcone, unless he deliberately targets us for some reason. Sure, he's a bad guy, but he's also very competent and that alone goes a long way toward justifying his continued existence. Crime isn't going away any time soon, so allowing someone who manages to keep a lid on the worst excesses of Humans preying upon Humans in the Chicago area just makes sense. Anyone who replaces him is, at the very best, merely going to equal Marcone in keeping things relatively settled, but it's far more likely his replacement will be much less competent. They may also be unwilling to work with the supernatural elements that are common in Chicago, and that is very much necessary in the coming years.
Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should, nor that the results of the action would be at all favorable.
Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should, nor that the results of the action would be at all favorable.
I like Marcone, but he is not nearly as prepared at this point in the series as in later books, and as you point out... He's prepared to fight wizards, faeries, and vampires and suchlike. His own narration makes it very clear he understands that yes, even with all the prep he currently has, if a fight breaks out with supernaturals he's in trouble. He survives on preparation and nerve and bluffs and he is not at all prepared for an Infernal Exalt.
He absolutely will invite people who could kill him in to speak with him, because that's literally 90% of what being a gangster kingpin is about. He knows that most people prefer him to the alternatives, and plenty of people would avenge him, so he depends on the rationality of most people he interacts with and his understanding of the various supernatural factions to cope with threats.
But yes, Molly is just such an out of context problem as to make that irrelevant. We could buy two charms and take apart his empire with minimal personal fallout, Mab and Odin aren't going to avenge him, and there are multiple points in the series it's pointed out most supernaturals would love to see him out of the game as a lesson to the 'cattle'. Even if Molly becomes the new Lady of Chicago and rules it with an iron fist, there's more dignity in giving her respect than a 'mortal thug'.
And while he is kinda-sorta better than the alternatives, don't make the mistake of writing him off as anything but still a bad person. He has his own interests and they are not all easy to excuse. We may end up having to kill him in defense of people like the monks or Harry or a minor talent someday.
Last edited:
The BWC was about the Second Age turning to the Third, it is iirc currently the Sixth Age.
Also, if the Ebon Dragon or some descendant form of him is still around then he is apparently rooting for the good guys right now.
After all, The Ebon Dragon loves that which is Doomed, and there is an Apocalypse scheduled for this world.
Last edited:
The Broken Wing Crane was written a long time ago, and evidence points to it still existing as a book by that name is mentioned as an incredibly dangerous demonology text (I believe in the Anathema section and maybe the 1000 Hells book).
Do note that Marcone is less than 8 months from applying and being accepted as a Freeholding Lord, under the sponsorship of Odin, the White Court, and the Wizard Dresden for the White Council.
From the Timeline
August 2006 to May 2007 is ten months or so.
And the Denarians dont get around to attacking him until November 2008, which is two years away, and when Small Favor happens.
Thats the canon timeline.
He does get better, but even now he'll be leading a strike team of mercs on a rescue mission into the Raith Depths in ten months to fight superghouls. Dont underestimate him now.
Mab might avenge him, even if it might take time, because it would be a breach of her Accords, and they dont have teeth if people, even nonsignatories, think they can break them without consequences. Odin probably would; he doesnt hire out valkyries to just anyone, and there's good chance he has plans for Marcone.
EDIT
Black Court master vampire inbound for February btw. Should be fun.
- Location
- Hive City Ares, Armageddon, Segmentum Solar
[X] In a small rural county so different from busy Chicago you could not believe it was only two and a half hours drive following up on a tip Harry got from some Wyldfae about a man who might know something about rage spirits and what it takes to bind them
If he had conversations with random supernaturals without precautions he would be a white court thrall by now. He takes risks, but does a good job managing them most of the time.
We're also not nearly so much of an out of context problem that we can completely ignore the sort of preparations he's likely to have made yet.
Information and the cyber devils are really the biggest things there. Almost all of Molly's combat charms build her towards very familiar territory for DF, even if they also make her unusually powerful. Super fast melee murder machine that's only vulnerable to bullets if you bring a shit load of them is exactly what he's guarding against.
Taking two charms and planning out how to apply them without consequences sounds like fairly substantial preparation to me, so I'm not sure what that's supposed to be a counter argument for.
My point was that we can't -or shouldn't- actually just go "lol mortal scrub lives while I allow it and dies when I demand it" because being mortal doesn't mean he's incompetent, not that we couldn't do it eventually. We have advantages, but assuming mortals can't do anything to stop or harm us is a good way to learn a painful lesson.
I mean, to name one example, remember when those nazi werewolves screwed up their own drive by and still managed to fill like half our health track with lethal damage? Cause that's going to continue to be a thing we're vulnerable to in at least some degree for a while.
This disregard for the little people got Malfeas turned inside out with all his closest friends jammed up his ass. Let's not take after the primordials on this front.
- Location
- Germany
Really great Charm.
I've already thought a bit on how to recreate the soul-hierarchy, but just using the existing spirit-creation rules sounds very practical.
This is great, but maybe it would need some version of aura-sight (like Hellscry Chakra) first?
You need to know the auras to copy them after all.
Great think, easily in tone.
Not likely to be usable all that often, but fine for its niche.
I'd love to have a way to make this charm permanent.
That's just sensible to have.
Hey, minion-creation.
And even animal-intelligence minions, so no ethical issues (unless some weird people think dissolving bodies in your bathtub is not okay).
Enhancing minions in a predictable way is always great and a single formor-power is not broken, so I like it.
I would propably increase the range of the Signature-effect though, no need to have all your minions cluster around you.
For the Infernal Monster, I do love the adaption, even though I don't think Molly would or should ever learn it.
She's just not the type for it, mechanically or narrativly.
- Location
- United States
to note: you need to deal damage with an attack before you can Flare it.
OK, it looks like we are going on a field-trip.
There's also a good chance the original mab died then and current mab took over. Also its said by butcher the white council got the blackstaff around that time and there are theories its mother winters walking stick.If it's related to the aesir, the Battle of Stamford Bridge shortly before the Battle of Hastings may be more relevant:
Battle of Stamford Bridge - Wikipedia
On Marcone, he pretty much thrives on being a target too difficult to casually take out, knowing how to avoid being on the priority list for anyone who COULD hit him through his defenses and never being the greatest evil in the area for wandering do-gooders(including being of material assistance to said wandering chaosballs).
I kind of doubt he'd be a priority opponent on any standard.
I kind of doubt he'd be a priority opponent on any standard.
- Location
- washington
I mean there's also the fact marcone is more like a feudal lord than strictly just a man of crime if we condemn him honestly there are plenty of people in the past who were considered good that we should condemn as well. I doubt angels judge everyone with a modern mindset for example even if their very benevolent.
Edit: By the way completely random looking at jim word of god and if your looking dp do with this what you will.
Q: Is the original Merlin still alive?
A: Kind of… life… death… it's kind of a squishy line in the Dresdenverse.
also we know the guy could travel through time.
Edit: By the way completely random looking at jim word of god and if your looking dp do with this what you will.
Q: Is the original Merlin still alive?
A: Kind of… life… death… it's kind of a squishy line in the Dresdenverse.
also we know the guy could travel through time.
Last edited:
For my part I'm concerned about the fluff there. Essence fueled narcissism seems like it could be a poor influence on Molly.
Especially in the context of what DP has said about what charms actually are.
We need to think about what the narrative composed by Molly's charms actually says, and where the path we're on leads.
To an extent nasty traits are unavoidable, but injecting magical narcissism feels like a bad move to me even in light of that issue.
- Location
- Germany
Sorry, but that's also the context for our canonical shaping-defence.
And for our mental shield.
A lot of the Malfeas-derived Charms are like that, by believing it to be impossible that anyone would attack the King, it becomes impossible.
- Location
- washington
wow thats such hot bullshit.
I know other malfean themed charms are like that, but our defense charm isn't precisely the same.
Refusing to allow other things to divert your will is qualitatively different from deciding nothing has the right to because you're the only thing in existence that matters.
Edit:
It's also worth noting that relatively few of our current charms actually explicitly say anything about the user's mindset. IPM and BRR principally, though I could see the argument for stubbornness being baked into BPR.
To my understanding, that gives us a lot more flexibility in how we connect the paving stones on Molly's path to enlightenment.
If the charm fluff does have this sort of influence, which seems like a reasonable assumption given what we know so far, the reason we haven't seen it could be that we've picked flexible enough options that they haven't pushed Molly in a particular direction yet.
Last edited: