Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
[x] Yes
[x] Magister Tochter Grunfeld
[x] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[x] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[x] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
[x] Stirland, to see for yourself how the war against Sylvania is progressing.
 
I think the ritual knowledge is much more important than the theoretical knowledge, IMO.

But @Boney , I know that Panoramia's dad was a perpetual married to a magister. Given Culloch is mononymic, is this her dad? I presume in the years we've known her, we've learned at least that much, or can at least offhandedly ask ahead of time.
 
Interesting note, if we were based in Kislev,
then since cleansing the soil would have been one of our primary objectives, I think Magister Tochter Grunfeld would have been the best choice.

If we want the benefits of this to be generalizable, perhaps Tochter is still the best choice.

[x] Magister Tochter Grunfeld
[x] Magister Cyrston von Danling
[x] Perpetual Apprentice Culloch
[x] Yes

[x] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[x] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[x] Cython, to talk obliquely of what it means for a God to have offspring.
[x] Stirland, to see for yourself how the war against Sylvania is progressing.
 
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But @Boney , I know that Panoramia's dad was a perpetual married to a magister. Given Culloch is mononymic, is this her dad? I presume in the years we've known her, we've learned at least that much, or can at least offhandedly ask ahead of time.

Panoramia doesn't really talk about her parents much, and when she does it's as Ma and Da. But there's only so many Lady Magisters in the Jade Order, and it seems very unlikely there'd be another Perpetual who's married to one.
 
[x] Magister Tochter Grunfeld
[x] Yes
[x] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[x] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
[x] Cython, to talk obliquely of what it means for a God to have offspring.
[x] The Gold College, to see what's become of their research into Skaven technology.
 
BTW, this:
[Paper writing: Learning, 91+29=120.]
is the first roll that's been shown to us since we arrived in Laurelorn. Just a fun fact.
Panoramia doesn't really talk about her parents much, and when she does it's as Ma and Da. But there's only so many Lady Magisters in the Jade Order, and it seems very unlikely there'd be another Perpetual who's married to one.
I thought Panoramia's mom was a Magister, not a Lady Magister. That's news to me.
 
Honestly, if the Magister Patriarch of the Jade is nearly certain his Order knows nothing interesting about the subject, I'm inclined to believe him.
Whether or not they know anything interesting on the subject, practical experience cleansing dhar-tainted soil is of practical and immediate importance to many who either have or offered to have a stake in this project.

Cleansing Praag, for instance, is something of immense value to Kislev, who also likely have secrets we could use.
 
Panoramia doesn't really talk about her parents much, and when she does it's as Ma and Da. But there's only so many Lady Magisters in the Jade Order, and it seems very unlikely there'd be another Perpetual who's married to one.
Do we know if her mother got promoted? I thought she was just a regular magister?
 
Probably someone has done this already, but in case no one has I just want to point out that "Unfähig", as the noble line we read about in the update that Alaric is involved with, is translated as "incapable" from German.
 
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Whether or not they know anything interesting on the subject, practical experience cleansing dhar-tainted soil is of practical and immediate importance to many who either have or offered to have a stake in this project.

Cleansing Praag, for instance, is something of immense value to Kislev, who also likely have secrets we could use.
That actually a very salient point, the ability to clean up a place of dhar before (or very possibly after) we mess with a Waystone would be useful in of itself.

so, a jade would be useful if only for that.

Though any jade of rank would do in that case.
 
That actually a very salient point, the ability to clean up a place of dhar before (or very possibly after) we mess with a Waystone would be useful in of itself.

so, a jade would be useful if only for that.

Though any jade of rank would do in that case.
You need Cure Blight, which is the most complex non Battle Magic spell on the Jade spell list. Panoramia had it for a very long time, but that's her specialty. Not every Jade Magister would have it most likely.
 
the Belthani were one of two Pre-Imperial Tribes involved in creating supporting waystone networks of Hedges and what they call "Ogham Stones". Not all the Waystones were made by them
Is this something anyone in our Waystone group would know about? The knowledge that the Waystones were made by more than one group? Also, were those groups unaware of each other? Or was there some (any at all) connection somewhere?
 
You need Cure Blight, which is the most complex non Battle Magic spell on the Jade spell list. Panoramia had it for a very long time, but that's her specialty. Not every Jade Magister would have it most likely.

Plus anything that is on the standard spell list the elves can do as well if not better that the Jades. We are looking for weird lore not standard spells.
 
Is this something anyone in our Waystone group would know about? The knowledge that the Waystones were made by more than one group? Also, were those groups unaware of each other? Or was there some (any at all) connection somewhere?
The most likely groups to be 'heirs' to the Belthani are

1: the Damsels

2: Hedgewise

3: Ice witch's/hag witch's (but they are probably the other tribe involved)
 
Yeah, I'm convinced Culloch might be Pan's dad.

Of course, we shouldn't recruit him just because he's potentially a Panrent (a Pan Parent), but because he's essentially the Druid's Loremaster* and his weak spellcasting ability means he'll never be called upon to actually do magic, which will help sell the illusion that we know more than we actually do.

*Yes, I know that "loremaster" is an actual title within the collages that's earned by learning all of a single wind's battle magic**, but I'm using it in the dwarven sense, not the human one.

**Which reminds me, I really want to go for the triple loremaster achievement at some point. We're a dwarf loremaster, and if you squint a little we look like an elven loremaster, so we're about half way there.
 
Is this something anyone in our Waystone group would know about? The knowledge that the Waystones were made by more than one group? Also, were those groups unaware of each other? Or was there some (any at all) connection somewhere?

Everyone knows Waystones were made by more than one group, well not really in the wider public but generally speaking any scholar of such matters knows. The Grey Lord we talked to, whose name escapes me, even said humans were aping elf Waystone creation.

I think we also know that there is an older network on top of which the Stones were made since the Library of the Mornings is so old, but I am not sure. @Boney do we have any hint of the geomantic web IC, or is that something we have to wait for the first action to see one way or the other?
 
Oh gods, so we're going to have to try to find someone who has a vendetta against his family? Well fuck, we may as well grab the latest census and start working our way down alphabetically.
Yeah, that's what made Mathilde so giddy. Her first impression was that it was a smoking gun for embarrasing Alric, since the Unfahiger name is downright infamous in the Empire. Technically there's nothing wrong with what he's doing, but as you said, we'd have to go down the census to even try to narrow down how many people have a grudge against them.
 
Yeah, that's what made Mathilde so giddy. Her first impression was that it was a smoking gun for embarrasing Alric, since the Unfahiger name is downright infamous in the Empire. Technically there's nothing wrong with what he's doing, but as you said, we'd have to go down the census to even try to narrow down how many people have a grudge against them.

Thankfully we do not actually have to solve the murders to hold up our end of the deal with Mira, we just need to know what Alric is doing and report on that. As far as I am concerned he is welcome to try to save the Empire's least illustrious noble house or die trying.
 
I think we also know that there is an older network on top of which the Stones were made since the Library of the Mornings is so old, but I am not sure. @Boney do we have any hint of the geomantic web IC, or is that something we have to wait for the first action to see one way or the other?

Arcane Fulcra are the remnants of the original geomantic web and indicate that there was something predating the Waystone network.
 
I remain a steadfast supporter of actually seeing what became of all the goodies we've sent to the Colleges, and I'll note that this would probably be a good time to stock up on the College Favour we're likely to see from them.

[x] Yes
[x] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[x] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[x] Cython, to talk obliquely of what it means for a God to have offspring.
[x] The Amber College, to check in on the salamanders.
[x] The Gold College, to see what's become of their research into Skaven technology.
[x] Follow up on your donation of the Skaven organ-vat, and see what has been made of it.
 
Is this something anyone in our Waystone group would know about? The knowledge that the Waystones were made by more than one group? Also, were those groups unaware of each other? Or was there some (any at all) connection somewhere?
The answer to your question lies in the text, which I recommend people read over because it's a very concise summary:
"There's sure to be other troubles, but we'll deal with them as they come. Now," you pull the cover off the chalkboard you'd prepared earlier, revealing a very rough sketch of the Old World with the known major Waystone nexuses marked. "Obviously the entire problem we're trying to solve is that we don't understand the Waystone network that well, but let's make sure we're all on the same page with what we do know. Have either of you gone through the Waystone course at the Colleges?"

"As an apprentice," Max says uncertainly. "I think I remember some of it."

"I was warned not to try to cast Breach the Unknown on any part of it. Apparently the spell tries to encompass the entire network, and you probably won't survive to see Frederheim."

"On the most basic level, the Waystone network is a worldwide network of artificial leylines that keeps reality from being drowned by the magical energy constantly flowing in from the poles. Without it, the entire world would be in the same state as the Chaos Wastes. All that energy is funnelled over to the Great Vortex at the centre of Ulthuan, and from there..." you tap the question mark at the heart of your sketch of Ulthuan on the chalkboard, floating off the coast of Bretonnia. "Well, our best guess is it's dumped back into the Warp, but we don't know for sure. We think at least some of the energy goes to keeping the island of Ulthuan afloat, and there's a lot of theories about what else they might tap into it for."

"They'd be stupid not to make the most of it," Johann says, nodding.

"Dwarven writing on the subject calls them duplicitous for it, saying they like to paint themselves as noble saviours of the world even though they're benefiting from having access to so much magical energy. But Dwarves aren't exactly unbiased on the matter." You twirl a piece of chalk in your fingers distractedly as you consider the map. "A big part of the mystery is that the network isn't just an Elven creation. The heart of it was supposedly an adaptation of an already-existing network built by precursors to the Elves, which we know basically nothing of. They started building entirely Elven Waystones throughout the world, but that didn't last long until they entered into their Golden Age partnership with the Dwarves and started incorporating Runecraft into the Waystones, and as far as I've been able to uncover, the details of those Runes are no longer known to modern Runesmiths." You sigh. "Dwarven philosophy says that it's better for knowledge to be lost entirely than taught to the unworthy, so they only ever record the least of their secrets. So when they had to turn all their attention to military matters just to survive the Times of Woes, a lot of knowledge was lost simply because there was no time to pass it on even to the deserving. But to acknowledge that would be to acknowledge a major flaw at the very heart of their culture. Modern Dwarves have to choose between seeing their Ancestors as flawed or themselves as undeserving, and most pick the latter."

The silence stretches as you brood on that. "So," Johann eventually says, "Runes are why we don't understand Waystones?"

"Right, Waystones. Well, Runes are a big part of it. The Elves being unwilling to tell us whatever they still know is another - most of what I've just said is pieced together from offhand comments Teclis made to the first Magisters. But a third problem is that there's a lot more to the network than Ulthuan's Waystones, even when you account for the differences between purely Elven and Elven-Dwarven hybrid designs. From the runes found on them, they're believed by most to have been made by early human tribes - Belthani in the west, Scythians in the east."

"They're extinct, aren't they?" Johann asks. "When I was reading up on the Kurgans, the books said that they wiped out the Scythians."

"The Kurgan say they're the inheritors of the Scythians, but it's unclear if that's from descent or conquest. The Kislevites claim that the Gospodars were descendants of the Scythians, but that might just be to bolster their land claims. I've seen theories that the Roppsmenn were Scythian remnants, and others that there are tribes even further east that might be. As for the Belthani, they were variously displaced and absorbed by the Pre-Imperial Tribes when they entered the Reik basin. Some say the beliefs of the Taalites and Rhyans descend from them, or the Damsels do, others say there are still secret cults keeping Belthani beliefs alive, and some say the founders of the Jade or Amber Orders were drawn from them. Some even say there's some secret island off the coast of Bretonnia where the Belthani still thrive, but that's never seemed plausible to me. So if that information is still out there, I'm going to have to try to winkle it out of someone who won't even openly claim they have it."

"Where do the Wood Elves come into this?" Johann asks.

"Eonir," you correct. "They were originally a colony of Ulthuan, and they've indicated they have at least some of the information Ulthuan has, and for reasons I can't get into, I believe them. They've also said that they're willing to share it, which is why we'll be partnering with them. They have a variety of plant they cultivate that acts as a tributary to the Waystone network, though I'm not sure if that was an original part of the network, or if it postdates or even predates it."

Max looks up from the notes he's been taking. "So by my count, you've got four nations, three tribes, four Cults, and two Orders that could all have pieces of the puzzle, and most of them aren't inclined to share, and some of them might not even still exist."

"At least." You hadn't mentioned the Hedgewise, after all.

"Well," he says, "at least it won't be boring."
Mathilde goes over the Belthani and Scythians here, but of course she doesn't believe that Albion is a real thing and doesn't know much about the Old Ones or the Geomantic Web.
 
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