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IIRC Johann had problems getting enough money for gilding. That's why he was doing it slowly, step by step. So unfortunately, he is a poor counterexample for existance of yolo gilding ritual :)
Personally, I think someone has tried full gilding already, but failed. Many someones probably :)
The Hands and Feet are 300 GC for an attempt, so he payed that 4 times at least. The Arms, Legs, and Lungs are all 400 GC each, and I'm willing to be the Torso is as well. He would have had to pay that cost 6 times at least. He did his eyes twice, both failures, and assuming they cost as much as ears and nose, that's 300 GC for both attempts.

Overall cost of Johann's Gilding= 300x4+400x6+300x2= 4200 GC total. Assuming the Eyes were his only failure.

This process is pretty damn expensive.

EDIT: I should mention that the cost has to be in "pure gold", so it can be inflated depending on how hard it is to get that gold.
 
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Concerning gilding and Aethyric Armor: does gilding counts as armor? Because technically it's the skin of the person wearing the armor that changes.
 
Concerning gilding and Aethyric Armor: does gilding counts as armor? Because technically it's the skin of the person wearing the armor that changes.
Nope:
"Gunpowder would give me away, and we don't all have Ulgu to keep our secrets." He pauses as you reach the fortification; with this many armed and armoured Dwarves around, Chamon is heavy in the air, and he calls it to himself with a series of gestures. The first is Aethyric Armour, then a second fills his skin with radiance for a second and then solidifies, and a third fills the air around him with tiny metal balls that reflect the torchlight. For your own part, a moment of concentration suffices to wrap the flickering shadows around you like a cloak, and you feel reinvigorated as Ulgu flows over and through you.
 
Thinking some more about Thorek and his request about Karaz Ghumzul, Mathilde is in an interesting position to approach them.

For one thing, she's technically an Imperial Dwarf, just like them ;)

More seriously, she's been a key part of reclaiming two Karaks, including one stolen by daemons and pulled into the Aethyr. Whatever caused the abandonment of Karaz Ghumzul, it's unlikely to be as bad as that. That's looking on the bright side though. Being less optimistic, in a worst case scenario, Karaz Ghumzul was abandoned by a dwarf polity that had been spared the losses of the War of Vengeance and the worst of the Time of Woe so had retained significantly more knowledge of the runecraft of the Golden Age, and had the support of the Archmages of Laurelorn. Any threat they couldn't deal with is one we're very unlikely to be able to.

Either way, depending on how the dwarves of Middenheim have prospered since they allied with the Teutognens nearly three thousand years ago, they may have built up enough surplus population to make a go of recovering their old home now that reclaiming dwarf holds has had a proof of concept. They've had a long, long time of relative peace and security compared to most dwarven settlements. If I recall correctly Middenheim has never fallen or been sacked unlike many Imperial cities, and the Underempire's connection there is relatively recent and at the end of a limb. From the descriptions, the dwarves have mainly focused on being engineers and crafting in general, while retaining the martial capacity to fight the skaven beneath the city (with human support, I think), meaning that they should have taken disproportionately few casualties even compared to other imperial dwarves, and certainly compared to the Karaz Ankor. They'd also presumably have been living relatively happy, prosperous lives and so not been so reluctant to bring more dwarves into an unkind world.

As an aside, it's hard to know from the histories we have, but if Ashes of Middenheim is roughly accurate, I wonder if the Thane of Grungni's Tower took an initial approach similar to Belegar's, allowing humans to settle the unwanted bit of his hold (in this case the roof) in return for being meat shields. Subsequently, as the humans grew in strength and the dwarves' dependence on them grew, the relationship may have shifted. If the Teutognens did originally start out as dwarven vassals/guests, you could see why that would fall out of their legendary histories of the founding of their capital - and the Karaz Ankor's information may reflect what they learned from the Empire.

However the history went, the dwarves of Middenheim/Grungni's Tower have clearly grown used to living and working alongside humans, and of using them for protection. They're also quite possibly astonishingly wealthy, sitting on top of the proceeds of almost three thousand years of trade and the gold mines beneath them. If Karaz Ghumzul is going to be unsealed anyway, one potential carrot that could be offered is information about whether retaking it would be viable.

As another side thought, harking back to comments about Thorek and intrigue. His justification for taking Karaz Ghumzul's ancestral heirlooms in reparations for their 'treason' is pretty poor, isn't it? He's not a representative of the Karaz Ankor, he's one of the Runelords of Karak Azul, not the High King. What right would he have to strike out a grudge incurred by Karaz/k Ghumzul against the Karaz Ankor for renouncing it's High King's authority. He's merely the vassal of the High King's vassal. Presumably he has checked with Thorgrim that those Grudges haven't already been struck out. It would be pretty embarrassing to go to the Middenland dwarves asking for their property in recompense and being told that reparations were already given a couple of thousand years ago and why are we taking the piss by trying to collect on a repaid debt? Dwarves don't like to talk about shameful things so Thorek could easily be working on incomplete information and pushing his luck. Let's just hope that's not the case.

On the bright side, if there are intact works of Golden Age runecraft in Ghumzul, it might be an opportunity to find out whether that rune axe we found uses utility runes.
 
As another side thought, harking back to comments about Thorek and intrigue. His justification for taking Karaz Ghumzul's ancestral heirlooms in reparations for their 'treason' is pretty poor, isn't it? He's not a representative of the Karaz Ankor, he's one of the Runelords of Karak Azul, not the High King. What right would he have to strike out a grudge incurred by Karaz/k Ghumzul against the Karaz Ankor for renouncing it's High King's authority. He's merely the vassal of the High King's vassal. Presumably he has checked with Thorgrim that those Grudges haven't already been struck out. It would be pretty embarrassing to go to the Middenland dwarves asking for their property in recompense and being told that reparations were already given a couple of thousand years ago and why are we taking the piss by trying to collect on a repaid debt? Dwarves don't like to talk about shameful things so Thorek could easily be working on incomplete information and pushing his luck. Let's just hope that's not the case.

I think I'm comfortable trusting that the master Runelord who is highly regarded for his political acumen is not going to commit a cultural error on that sort of scale.

One of the things he's all about is delving into ancient ruins and finding lost treasures, and that means studying history to both learn the location of the ruins and the nature of the treasures.

If he says the imperial dwarves owe a debt, and the treasures in their lost vaults can begin to repay that, I'm not going to doubt him.
 
Thorek Ironbrow has survived 200+ years of being the most prominent active Runelord in the Karaz Ankor without making a fool of himself. I think he knows what he's doing, and assuming that he is so incompetent as to perform an amazingly embarrasing political move that makes him the laughing stock of the Karaz Ankor is truly baffling.

Thorek is an intensely analystical person. We saw him work, and he takes days and weeks to make conclusions that Mathilde would have made far faster, enough that she got antsy seeing him work so he could get to the good stuff. He knows what he's doing.
 
Thorek Ironbrow has survived 200+ years of being the most prominent active Runelord in the Karaz Ankor without making a fool of himself. I think he knows what he's doing, and assuming that he is so incompetent as to perform an amazingly embarrasing political move that makes him the laughing stock of the Karaz Ankor is truly baffling.

Thorek is an intensely analystical person. We saw him work, and he takes days and weeks to make conclusions that Mathilde would have made far faster, enough that she got antsy seeing him work so he could get to the good stuff. He knows what he's doing.
I'm pretty sure he was not the most active runelord of the Karaz Ankor, because Azul was barely part of it, and I don't recall any mention that he traveled away from Azul. So while he has great age and political experience, he does not have all that much experience with the politics of the Karaz Ankor as a whole, and the culture is different.

Ultimately, I totally agree with your point that Thorek has a good read on things, and he won't make grave or careless errors. But it should be remembered that he is fairly new to the larger political arena.
 
Thorek may not have been as active in Karaz Ankor at large as he otherwise might have been, but once the route to Karak Azul was secured, he has been making up for lost time in travelling arround t posing at everyone not Kragg.
I think he has the guilds measure, and that measure has turned out to be insufficient.
 
I'm pretty sure he was not the most active runelord of the Karaz Ankor, because Azul was barely part of it, and I don't recall any mention that he traveled away from Azul. So while he has great age and political experience, he does not have all that much experience with the politics of the Karaz Ankor as a whole, and the culture is different.

Ultimately, I totally agree with your point that Thorek has a good read on things, and he won't make grave or careless errors. But it should be remembered that he is fairly new to the larger political arena.
It became easier for Thorek to travel once pathways have been secured for the underway, but ever since Thorgrim took control he crash expanded the Gyrocopter network and Thorek is one of the only people in Azul who would regularly take advantage of that and has the resources and authority to commandeer it. He was noted to be one of the notable contributors to the runic loadout of Clan Angrund's warriors.
 
It became easier for Thorek to travel once pathways have been secured for the underway, but ever since Thorgrim took control he crash expanded the Gyrocopter network and Thorek is one of the only people in Azul who would regularly take advantage of that and has the resources and authority to commandeer it. He was noted to be one of the notable contributors to the runic loadout of Clan Angrund's warriors.
That is a goo point. So Thorek has a lot more experience and connection than I initially thought.
 
Yeah, for all that Thorek dislikes the prominence of engineering, he's not too prideful to acknowledge the gyrocopter has changed the Karaz Ankor for the better.

Indeed, in the most recent update he says:

Since we last spoke I have been travelling the Karaz Ankor,

The last time we spoke to him was during the preparations for Dum, so that's a couple of years at the most. Visiting multiple dwarfholds in that space of time is impossible without Gyrocopters. It would have been challenging even if the Underway was in peak condition and not the broken and shattered monster infested ruin it actually is.

And I suspect his habit of travelling the Karaz Ankor is not a recent habit either, given that he has a reputation for delving into lost ruins across the world. Azul might have been isolated for generations, but Thorek hasn't.
 
Thorek Ironbrow doesn't spend much time at Karak Eight Peaks of late, but he does pass through it quite regularly as he travels to every corner of the extant Karaz Ankor to establish his status in person. Your status as Loremaster means you're able to secure a meeting with him when next he passes through, and he spends some time inspecting the vial.
This is the wording used to describe Thorek moving everywhere in the Karaz Ankor. First, the reason he stops at K8P is that the Gyrocopter needs to refuel, and a secure refueling station is much better than a non secure one. Any gyrocopters that had to be used had to run through a lot of hostile territory and likely establish temporary stopping points for refuel in advance, which made the trip far more tedious and therefore less frequent.

K8P being reestablished obviously made this travel far more convenient. Another key word here is "establish his status in person". It seems that Thorek has been establishing his presence even without people seeing him face to face, indicating a level of desire to really get involved even before the convenient refueling stations of K8P.
 
Hey @Boney did Mat ever deliver the offer to Borek's clan-less wife that she was welcome to join the Engineering Guild in K8Ps? The offer that was gonna be made anyway, but got put in her back pocket in case she needed to negotiate?
 
[X] [ARM] Amputee
[X] [THOREK] Both

Finally caught up with the thread, I've seen some concern about the arm infecting Johann with dhar but I've yet to see any concern about the reverse. Ultimately magisters are a replaceable resource but if we get dhar into the arm that's it we've destroyed an irreplaceable artifact so lets start with someone whose body and soul isn't bathed in chamon.
 
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[X] [ARM] Amputee
[X] [THOREK] Both

Finally caught up with the thread, I've seen some concern about the arm infecting Johann with dhar but I've yet to see any concern about the reverse. Ultimately magisters are a replaceable resource but if we get dhar into the arm that's it we've destroyed an irreplaceable artifact so lets start with someone whose body and soul isn't bathed in chamon.

The arm is not proven to be an irreplaceable anything. All we know about the arm is thus:
  1. It is made of gold
  2. It is probably Lustrian
  3. It has something to do with Hysh
  4. It was worth 1000 Gold to the Norscan we got it off
Everything else is speculation.
 
For Thorek, I am of the opinion he has carefully made his mind up (Disapproval!) and will proceed to tear down and rebuild the Runesmith Guild regardless of what we decide. So, given the outcome could well be a net positive, the thing is to strive for is to shorten the upheaval by making the 'revolutionary' side stronger. Hence, support him. Also, Ranald the Revolutionary.

For reasons of my own, not going to vote to cut someone's arm off here, no matter how enthusiastically they consent.

[x] [THOREK] Both
[x] [ARM] Disassemble
[X] [ARM] Amputee
 
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The arm is not proven to be an irreplaceable anything. All we know about the arm is thus:
  1. It is made of gold
  2. It is probably Lustrian
  3. It has something to do with Hysh
  4. It was worth 1000 Gold to the Norscan we got it off
Everything else is speculation.
We have no reason to think we will ever acquire another arm, nothing you've said there disproves that fact so unless you know of a golden arm superstore somewhere this is pretty much quibbling over semantics.
 
The arm is not proven to be an irreplaceable anything. All we know about the arm is thus:
  1. It is made of gold
  2. It is probably Lustrian
  3. It has something to do with Hysh
  4. It was worth 1000 Gold to the Norscan we got it off
Everything else is speculation.
It's not definitely proven, but it seems very likely. It's an unknown piece of magitek/enchantment, probably made by non-humans, from unknown origin and that a Norscan has stolen somewhere.

It's definitely not made in a modern human nation of the Old World, so it's either very ancient or made by non-human. If it's from an ancient human polity, said polity doesn't exist anymore except the Nehekharans, and it's probably not them (also, « don't steal the mummy gold idiot!), or it's out of the Old World (Cathay, Nippon, Ind) so way too far to easily find and acquire one.

Most non-humans nations are relatively isolationist or unwilling to give their magical artefacts around. Practically speaking, it is irreplaceable.
 
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The arm is irreplaceable in much the same way that we are regularly falling over irreplaceable opportunities - Queek, the magic nut, AV, Ranald not minding us examining divine magic so long as we don't look too closely at him...

Unless we have reason to consider this arm to stand out above the rest, it's not actually particularly notable for being irreplaceable, because while we can't get another arm we can trivially pick up another similarly interesting subject. Our primary restriction is time, not opportunity.
 
We have no reason to think we will ever acquire another arm, nothing you've said there disproves that fact so unless you know of a golden arm superstore somewhere this is pretty much quibbling over semantics.

We have no reason to think it has any great value, just because something is rare does not inherently make it valuable

It's not definitely proven, but it seems very likely. It's an unknown piece of magitek/enchantment, probably made by non-humans, from unknown origin and that a Norscan has stolen somewhere.

It's definitely not made in a modern human nation of the Old World, so it's either very ancient or made by non-human. If it's from an ancient human polity, said polity doesn't exist anymore except the Nehekharans, and it's probably not them (also, « don't steal the mummy gold idiot!), or it's out of the Old World (Cathay, Nippon, Ind) so way too far to easily find and acquire one.

Most non-humans nations are relatively isolationist or unwilling to give their magical artefacts around. Practically speaking, it is irreplaceable.

So are many things in our collection, remember that anti-magic amulet we took off the Skaven, the one that only protected against wind and divine magic but not Chaos or Dhar? That too fit the criteria above and it ended up being worth 2-3 college favor.
 
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