Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

The3rdCorinthian · May 23, 2021

Sir_Travelsalot said:
The difference is that the Halflings didn't come up unto abandoned land and start farming. Stirland and Averland had their most fertile lands taken from them and their people evicted by Ludwig the Fat to create the Moot, just because his Halfling chef had made the best meal of his life and the daughters of said provinces' Elector Counts had snubbed him.

Now THAT part i didn't know.

Knew there was a lot of reasons it was an issue but.. yeesh.

MiracleGrow · May 23, 2021

[X] Kazrik and the Dwarves of Karak Azul
[X] Belegar Ironhammer
[X] Panoramia, Hluodwica, and the Halflings

Boney · May 23, 2021

Ericwinter said:
...Hold up. Did... did I just read that right? Some fucking asshole tried to have an eleven-year-old girl climb the literal mountain of stairs? Like, not just a mountain, I know from experience that that's hard enough and a several-hour-long workout, but made out of stairs? Good god, Even if Wolf wasn't best boy before, he'd certainly earn the title for saving her from that torture.

The EIC minder had tried to convince her to accept being carried or to wait while someone fetched the Wizard, but she insisted she's eleven, she's not a kid any more so she won't be carried and she's the guest so it's her responsibility to go meet Mathilde Weber in her home. Being carried on the back of an actual wolf is a completely different matter, of course.

B_omega said:
What if.. the amount of wind can be precisely manipulated? And using precisely tuned method we can make the metal float?

I dont think any mortal can do it, but perhaps... an engine can. A runic engine that the dwafs might create to manipulate winds.

Not Dhar, but could it be a way yo push other wind (there must be some sort of safety feature to prevent the wind from touching) and manipulate it so it can be usefull for something.

Perhaps even harmonize them..

Something very similar to this is actually an IRL field of study.

Rafin said:
I'm a bit confused about this part. It seems written in a weird way, prose wise. I'm not sure which of it is thought and which of it was mentioning in letters, or even who mentioned it and in what context if it was mentioned.

It's an in medias res distillation of what would have otherwise been a long exchange that would have been tedious to write and add little to the chapter.

Rafin said:
Also, how does talking to Kurtis about the point and value of the project (something that has already come up before when we talked to him about where to locate it) connect to meeting a Light College representative to poach Egrimm?

He's the expert on inter-College relationships. If Mathilde wants to headhunt someone out from under a Magister Patriarch, he's the guy to talk to. And Mathilde gave him enough usable hooks that he was able to set up a meeting with Mira.

DragonParadox said:
So I just had a thought... it is probably too easy to work but has anyone thought of maybe turning off the flow of magic before casting Breach the Unknown, or hell using it on pieces of a destroyed Waystone?

Maybe we could intentionally turn off/disassemble some minor Waystone far from anything we care about and then have Johann poke it with magic.

The Gold College goes to great lengths to stamp out the 'try it and find out' impulse when it comes to Breach the Unknown.

Jyn Ryvia said:
The fact that he spent a fair bit of time as a tree when he looked at the jade necklace points to it being more of a conceptual thing then an actally connected to thing.

It was literal, the jewel was jet, not jade, made from part of a tree that was carbonized by a volcanic eruption.

Rafin said:
@BoneyM could we ever repeat the Eike action for three different choices?

I'll decide after I see how interesting the first are to write.

Fayhem said:
Pretty sure you want *inevitably here. Since "interminably" is this:

So as written that parses out as more or less "slowly but wearisomely slowly." Which doesn't seem right.

I was going for 'impossible to stop', which fits the definition. Inevitably might fit better but I like the negative implications and sense of weariness interminably carries with it.

emberwing said:
Question would this new knowledge on how the winds interact with uglu help us in dispelling spells from/using those winds?

No, the conditions Mathilde were testing were close-range, small-scale, slow-moving interactions. Counterspelling is typically done in the opposite circumstances.

Sir_Travelsalot said:
The difference is that the Halflings didn't come up unto abandoned land and start farming. Stirland and Averland had their most fertile lands taken from them and their people evicted by Ludwig the Fat to create the Moot, just because his Halfling chef had made the best meal of his life and the daughters of said provinces' Elector Counts had snubbed him.

The3rdCorinthian said:
Now THAT part i didn't know.

Knew there was a lot of reasons it was an issue but.. yeesh.

It's worth noting that this happened about 1500 years ago.

LightLan · May 23, 2021

BoneyM said:
It's worth noting that this happened about 1500 years ago.

See, barely a lifetime ago, answers Kragg.

And if they haven't offered restitution it'll remain listed in the BOOK as it should until they do. /undwarf

Let it not be said that the close alliance between the dawi and the empire had only good results.

silentorphan · May 23, 2021

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Yes, but it is Halflings who have the reputation for farming and cooking, Halflings who have a high priestess of a harvest goddess, and the Halflings who have a jade wizard slowly turning miles of barren wasteland into fertile farmland. If you want to convince somebody who is set to inherit the EIC of the importance of their work, show them the experts who manage the most valuable resource in the world.

Iisn't this something Eike can do simply by visiting the Moot? With the EIC being a Stirland-based company, not only would it be closer but the political tensions between the two realms would also be in clearer focus too.

buli-buli · May 23, 2021

[X] Belegar Ironhammer

[X] Kazrik and the Dwarves of Karak Azul

[X] Gotri, the K8P Air Corps, and the Cult of Morgrim

The3rdCorinthian · May 23, 2021

BoneyM said:
but she insisted she's eleven, she's not a kid any more so she won't be carried and she's the guest so it's her responsibility to go meet Mathilde Weber in her home. Being carried on the back of an actual wolf is a completely different matter, of course.

The universal cry of all small children

picklepikkl · May 23, 2021

silentorphan said:
Iisn't this something Eike can do simply by visiting the Moot? With the EIC being a Stirland-based company, not only would it be closer but the political tensions between the two realms would also be in clearer focus too.

She could, in theory, but she hasn't:

NSMS said:
@BoneyM, do we know if Eike has had any previous introductions to halflings by Wilhelmina? It seems like something she might do, given the Moot's land directly borders Stirland, but I have no clue if it's something we'd know about or not.

BoneyM said:
No, the EIC's relationships with Halflings are entirely formal business relationships.

Mathilde can't control every aspect of Eike's upbringing. Mathilde can control who she is introduced to here. If you want to make sure Eike meets halflings socially, the way to do that is to vote for her to meet halflings socially at K8P.

Markedpariah · May 23, 2021

Is it weird that I am kinda super happy the Ulgu tongs idea developed in such a way where it is essentially useless for Mathilda? I am just glad that the idea of her using tongs of ulgu will no longer be some nebulous research idea brought up in the thread every so often... I mean I hardly ever read the comments and even I noticed how often It was brought up. Now the tongs are clearly a terrible idea to pursue.

Godwinson · May 23, 2021

BoneyM said:
It's worth noting that this happened about 1500 years ago.

Which is really hard to properly compare to real-world societies, because Warhammer has a hell of a lot of weirdly stretched and enduring cultural elements.

Boney · May 23, 2021

Godwinson said:
Which is really hard to properly compare to real-world societies, because Warhammer has a hell of a lot of weirdly stretched and enduring cultural elements.

Let's entirely avoid comparisons to real-world societies in this case.

The3rdCorinthian · May 23, 2021

BoneyM said:
Let's entirely avoid comparisons to real-world societies in this case.

*Looks at some of the Yikes parts of Warhammer*

Seconded.

Copperscale · May 23, 2021

Markedpariah said:
Is it weird that I am kinda super happy the Ulgu tongs idea developed in such a way where it is essentially useless for Mathilda? I am just glad that the idea of her using tongs of ulgu will no longer be some nebulous research idea brought up in the thread every so often... I mean I hardly ever read the comments and even I noticed how often It was brought up. Now the tongs are clearly a terrible idea to pursue.

It was nice to get a definite answer that most of the thread will be satisfied with. It's one less avenue of research, so a win.

Although i still expect there to be an option to breach the articles and continue research on that direction.

It just won't be popular.

Godwinson · May 23, 2021

BoneyM said:
Let's entirely avoid comparisons to real-world societies in this case.

Oh, absolutely agreed -- nothing good would come of it. I was more saying... mmm, 1500 years on Mallus isn't "as long" as 1500 years on Earth? In the same way that you can say a 100 miles in America isn't as far as 100 miles in Europe, or more topically, that a 100 years for Americans is longer than 100 years for Europeans? Not looked at comparing anything about particular parts of real-world societies to anything in Warhammer, just... time is fucky. That's all. ><

Jyn Ryvia · May 23, 2021

Godwinson said:
Which is really hard to properly compare to real-world societies, because Warhammer has a hell of a lot of weirdly stretched and enduring cultural elements.

I think it would have been dropped as an 'salient' issue by now, except when an EC thinks they can do a bit of expanding, if it wasn't for the zombies in the nobles and peasants 'new home'.

that is the kind of thing that kepts a grudge going strong.

Resonant · May 23, 2021

Not gonna lie, I'm low-key excited about the prospect of getting Eike as an Apprentice and embracing the role of Mentor, even though it seems unlikely that she'll pick the Grey College. Mathilde getting raising her own Duckling just feels like a worthy endeavor, especially since we have a preexisting relationship with her.

On an unrelated note, I've wondered what's the correct way to pronounce Eike's name? I've been calling her 'Eye-Key' in my head and I'm not sure if I'm butchering her name lol

Sir_Travelsalot · May 23, 2021

Resonant said:
Not gonna lie, I'm low-key excited about the prospect of getting Eike as an Apprentice and embracing the role of Mentor, even though it seems unlikely that she'll pick the Grey College. Mathilde getting raising her own Duckling just feels like a worthy endeavor, especially since we have a preexisting relationship with her.

On an unrelated note, I've wondered what's the correct way to pronounce Eike's name? I've been calling her 'Eye-Key' in my head and I'm not sure if I'm butchering her name lol

I think it's closer to 'Eye-keh' in pronunciation, personally.

Mopman43 · May 23, 2021

Resonant said:
On an unrelated note, I've wondered what's the correct way to pronounce Eike's name?

I've been going with Ike.

Godwinson · May 23, 2021

[X] Belegar Ironhammer
[X] Cython
[X] The We

Just picking some cool interactions. I like Eike, and I'm hoping that we'll get to see more of her as a recurring character as time goes on.

DragonParadox · May 23, 2021

Resonant said:
Not gonna lie, I'm low-key excited about the prospect of getting Eike as an Apprentice and embracing the role of Mentor, even though it seems unlikely that she'll pick the Grey College. Mathilde getting raising her own Duckling just feels like a worthy endeavor, especially since we have a preexisting relationship with her.

Agreed with you there, this was what I meant on all those instances where I said I hoped to find an apprentice and not just pick one out. That said I do not hold out much hope that she will choose Grey... unless she wants to get away from her grandmother and the EIC I guess. I mean Wilhelmina can be quite demanding.

Alliterate · May 23, 2021

That's two posts now.
Have we had any indication that Eike (Eye-keh) has the magical talent that would require her to be anyone's apprentice?

Mopman43 · May 23, 2021

Alliterate said:
That's two posts now.
Have we had any indication that Eike (Eye-keh) has the magical talent that would require her to be anyone's apprentice?

Spoilers.

But yes.

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DragonParadox · May 23, 2021

Alliterate said:
That's two posts now.
Have we had any indication that Eike (Eye-keh) has the magical talent that would require her to be anyone's apprentice?

Yes

The3rdCorinthian · May 23, 2021

DragonParadox said:
Yes

Spoiler your quote dangit!

NeonLights · May 23, 2021

[X] Francesco, Soizic, and the Undumgi
[x] Gotri, the K8P Air Corps, and the Cult of Morgrim
[X] Belegar Ironhammer
[X] Edda and the Cult of Valaya

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