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I am not sure if you have the correct expectation. Waystones are not some kind of superweapon. They are infrastructure. Lots of upfront cost in exchange for a passive longterm benefit. The reasearch fortunately has two long-lived species as eager customers, but we the readers will likely only actually see tangible results in a timeskip after Mathilde either dies or gets retired from the position of protagonist.

A large part of the problem with Waystones is that beyond the High Elves (and maybe the Lizardmen but they do their own thing) nobody else really pokes at them. The Dawi use them but only as ancient infrastructure that barely anyone knows exists, the Colleges don't really make active efforts to study them, the Eonir don't have a large geographical area so their portion of the Waystone network is bound to be really small.

Changing that would be pretty transformative - the Dawi lost a Karak to the Warp because they don't really understand the Waystone thing. Thorgrim basically put the Karaz Ankor into Slayer mode because he didn't understand the Waystone thing. The Empire is routing all their magic to Ulthuan because nobody really understands the Waystone thing.

Waystones are important and juicy research - and I say that even though I sort of favour Bodyguard a tiny bit more at the moment.

You are overestimating Mathilde's degree of autonomy, I think.
We will be enacting Heidi's ambition and agenda. She may not be strictly speaking ordering Mathilde about, but that's more of just ordering about not being her style.
Remember that Heidi is one of very few people better than Mathilde at intrigue, probably, and definitely better at the specifically court intrigue. Mathilde will certainly have ample space for (title drop!) divided loyalties and whether to do what Heidi asks, but that's not really the same as working "with", it's still working "for", just with room to double-cross and backstab Heidi if we have to.

Mathilde is a Grey Lady Magister. A fantastically well connected and influential Grey Lady Magister even.

She's got the autonomy because Heidi has very little to hang over Mathilde's head. Heidi would have to be monumentally stupid to give us a reason to 'rebel' - not only would she going against one of the deadliest assassin-mages in the Old World; who also happens to be a political powerhouse but she'd also do it with Ranald in our corner and not hers.

Will Heidi try to manipulate and do tricky stuff? Yes... but then how else are we going to level up that Intrigue?


Frankly a lot of the appeal of Bodyguard, Waystone and Loremaster is that they work in the stuff we're good at - Intrigue (and maybe a bit of Piety) for the first; Learning for the second and third.



The reason why I don't like Markgraf is that it doesn't really focus on what Mathilde is good at. It doesn't help us be a better mage, doesn't really help us be a better Ranald-ite and doesn't even particularly help us at intrigue.

It moderately helps at a Martial oriented path... but a lot of it is going to be Stewardship with some Diplomacy sprinkled in.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Redshirt Army on Mar 8, 2021 at 7:51 AM, finished with 3106 posts and 594 votes.
 
Now that i can post again.

I was not aware i was an employee when holding a door to someone.
Should i sue people for lost wages? :V
Helping =/= Working.
And even if we are working for Ranald, that does mean he will be in our debt, you know, wages and shit, might be a coin upgrade there, or something equally nifty.

Fair point on the debt. I agree that helping != working, however that was my interpretation of Darth's argument. I put it there so that Darth could be aware of how I viewed the argument and as a springboard with which to contrast mine.
I also did mess up the formatting with multiple quotes since I am relatively new to this site: especially posting.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Jyn Ryvia on Mar 8, 2021 at 7:51 AM, finished with 3106 posts and 594 votes.


not sure what someone did to the above vote tally

this should be right (at time of post :) )
 
There is another potential serious benefit to the Waystone Project, if we succeed: new waystones to connect Karak Norn, Karak Hirn, and Karak Izor to the Karaz Ankor network.
Is there a large benefit to that? The New Holds are equally covered by the existing protections even without a waystone of their own, and Eight Peaks alone was enough to remove the risk of failure of that system even before Vlag and Dum were reconnected.

More Waystones are always good, but I think the only benefit of putting them specifically into a Karak at this point is that they're less likely to get corrupted/destroyed relative to the ones on a random mountain.
 
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland

Its great to see the sheer number of voters, makes you realise how many people love this quest.
 
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Aaarrrrgghhh! I really can't decide!
These four I guess:
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
 
Just figure out what you're OK with winning, approval vote that, and that's the end of it. That's how approval voting works. It doesn't find the option some people are most enthused for, but the one most people are least opposed to and interested in.
 
Huh, used to be, you could manage the votes in a tally and put the ones that are for the same thing, but different names or with typos together. but apparently there are permissions that govern that stuff now.
 
There's something that Roswita said that keeps echoing in the back of my head
Those in power lived very comfortably in Sylvania when they were able to pay their taxes in other peoples' blood, and they won't give that up without a fight, and it's going to be the sort of fight fought by Witch Hunters and Grey Wizards, not the sort fought by the Army of Stirland."
You might say it's a bit of a stretch, even ill-advised, to compare it to IRL... But for the past year, there had been far too many Vampires and their bootlickers that would rather pay in other people's blood by the riverfull than let a single moldy penny be lost from their coffers.

[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland

Let's kill some vampires and those who'd profit from those monsters.
 
I'm okay with Markgraf too, but the traveling and solving different issues aspect of the Tutor is much more appealing. I am sending out a call to all Markgraf voters to approval vote the best option, which is Tutor
 
I know what I want is unachievable, but I have to vote for it anyway.
bbuut i also gotta vote for


[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[x] The Waystone Project
[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
Mathilde is a Grey Lady Magister. A fantastically well connected and influential Grey Lady Magister even.

She's got the autonomy because Heidi has very little to hang over Mathilde's head. Heidi would have to be monumentally stupid to give us a reason to 'rebel' - not only would she going against one of the deadliest assassin-mages in the Old World; who also happens to be a political powerhouse but she'd also do it with Ranald in our corner and not hers.

Will Heidi try to manipulate and do tricky stuff? Yes... but then how else are we going to level up that Intrigue?
I actually am very uncertain on this point.
Ranald put a massive chunk of divine power we stole from Orc Gods put onto the Mandred gambit and thus Heidi. If there were a conflict between us and Heidi, well, we are his favourite puppy but Heidi is his ongoing big con with a lot invested into it. So I'd say odds of on which side he'll intervene - or if he just decides to abstain - are about even.

And while Mathy is all that, Heidi is an Empress, which is very much a title which comes with power. Mostly soft power and not nearly as much as Emperor has, but there's no reason to assume she is powerless, especially in field of intrigue. Yes, in open battle we'd easily stab her to death, but she knows this too and therefore is not going to get into open fight, or anything but a very gentle touch really. She wouldn't have swayed the Emperor and the court if she were incapable of that much.
 
Just figure out what you're OK with winning, approval vote that, and that's the end of it. That's how approval voting works. It doesn't find the option some people are most enthused for, but the one most people are least opposed to and interested in.
But then my vote would look like this:

[><] Loremaster Sinecure
[><] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[><] The Waystone Project
[><] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[><] Count of Sylvania
[><] Spymaster of Wissenland
[><] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[><] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[><] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[><] Nagarythe
[><] Research Sabbatical
 
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