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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Retrueno said:
Out of curiosity are there even counters as a human wizard (outside of freaking geniuses like Nagash I mean) for that?
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That eshin thing where we can hide from windsight, combined with something able to take a dragon in one go (like a sword to the neck).
Captainwolf said:
I don't get why? Why would we go for it in the first place if we had no real chance of winning?
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Scouting it out for a future shot, along with it just being interesting.
 
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
Adding waystone project on my votes as not really interested in being loremaster at large.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
It is cold out on the balcony. BoneyM looks at the vote on his phone, and sighs. He knows what he has to do.

He walks inside, sits down, and brings up the thread to make the post he so desperately does not want to have to make.

He sighs again.
>Rolling to seduce dragon-wizard
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Roll needed 60+
Roll: 1

Ourcome: Dragomas the dragon unhinges his jaw and swallows Mathilde whole. The quest ends. Mathilde has been eaten. Unfortunately this was not the kind of eating voters had in mind.
 
BoneyM said:
Dragomas will be fighting for his fourth consecutive term, so maybe not.
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I mean... if we ever get to our backlog and get working on that hypothetical Avatar of Ulgu spell (The combination spell for shadowsteed-Dread Aspect,etc,etc) that might make Mat a Dragon-worthy combatant and work as a capstone spell for Uglu, like the Dragon Morph is for Ambers.
 
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Count of Sylvania
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
 
BoneyM said:
I don't know whether to count this as the fourth time in thirty hours or an old one I already told you to cut out. You've got a habit of staking out a desired outcome and then backing any arguments that help it to the hilt, no matter how flimsy they are, no matter how unpleasant the thread becomes as a direct result. And twice since the update you've been cornered while doing it and outright admitted that you know the argument you were using was weak, but you've got a desired outcome and you're going to try to make it happen with whatever arguments you can, so I can't even give you the benefit of the doubt here. You know what you're doing, and considering you've got a long-running quest, you should have a pretty good idea of why I wouldn't want it happening here. Please reassess how you approach debates in this thread, or I'm going to have to start giving you vacations from it.
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I was trying my best to debate in good faith and I reeled back arguments when I noticed them going too far. This was not a case of my setting out from the first moment to debate in bad faith and getting caught. Being honest I am a bit upset that me stopping and assessing the tone as well as apologizing is seen as an admission of malice. In any case I am hardly without fault here. I think i will bow out of this quest for this vote.
 
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[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town

Last two times Mathilde ran a spy ring, she offloaded all the actual management to someone else. She's an excellent agent, but I can't see her taking the position again. Similarly, with stirlandian positions.
Governor-General of the swamp town I can see, if only because she'd be there to study the lizardmen, primarily.
 
I think there are spells that can take Dragomas, but the ven diagram of spells that can take him and spells that won't be brought in a competition without making it a duel to somebody's death is a pair of separate circles.
 
SurpriseMe said:
I don't want to go for it, but I am interested in hearing about who thinks they can take a dragon, and what they tried to take the dragon with. More reading the news instead of a participant in the duels.
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Me too. Might be useful in several ways even if we don't want to duel for the Supreme Patriarch (I don't, for example, see no chances there and no reason for it yet).
 
Retrueno said:
Out of curiosity are there even counters as a human wizard (outside of freaking geniuses like Nagash I mean) for that?
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Off the top of my head:
A spell like Pit of Shades that kills anything that it hits, irrelevant of it's strength
Defeat them before they turn into a dragon
Being really good at surviving a dragon for long enough you can whittle it down
Be better at dispelling than they are at becoming a dragon
 
Retrueno said:
Out of curiosity are there even counters as a human wizard (outside of freaking geniuses like Nagash I mean) for that?
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Being Elspeth von Draken. But that also includes being up to her neck in Shyish research and too busy/unwilling to run for leadership positions.
deathofrats0808 said:
Be better at dispelling than they are at becoming a dragon
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Dispelling transformation of Kadon just means the user is stuck as a Dragon (except not really for Ambers as i understand it).

Honestly, the Purple Sun works on anything afaik. So Shyisk lore would actually work if you can get it off fast enough.
 
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BoneyM said:
Dragomas will be fighting for his fourth consecutive term, so maybe not.
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The duel rules are two Wizards stand equidistantly from the Staff of Volans and the first one to hold it wins? Or are there additional rules, like holding it for a certain amount of time or staying within a certain area with it or using the staff to make your opponent yield?

Because otherwise a Grey Wizard with instant MMM combined with two well placed teleports and invisibility that is enough to fool Dragomas's magic sense might be enough, depending on how long he actually takes to transform.
 
SurpriseMe said:
I think there are spells that can take Dragomas, but the ven diagram of spells that can take him and spells that won't be brought in a competition without making it a duel to somebody's death is a pair of separate circles.
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Yeah we need to become an order of magnitude more powerful to win that duel without dying or killing the other wizard. And I don't see any gain that would justify killing Dragomas, he seems both a good person and highly competent. If we need something that bad from the Colleges, there are other ways than becoming SP I think.
 
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
 
Rafin said:
The duel rules are two Wizards stand equidistantly from the Staff of Volans and the first one to hold it wins? Or are there additional rules, like holding it for a certain amount of time or staying within a certain area with it or using the staff to make your opponent yield?

Because otherwise a Grey Wizard with instant MMM combined with two well placed teleports and invisibility that is enough to fool Dragomas's magic sense might be enough, depending on how long he actually takes to transform.
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Technically, it's not a race to the Staff, it's a duel to surrender or death. It's just that getting the Staff means you become so ridiculously powerful that your opponent cannot win.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Off the top of my head:
A spell like Pit of Shades that kills anything that it hits, irrelevant of it's strength
Defeat them before they turn into a dragon
Being really good at surviving a dragon for long enough you can whittle it down
Be better at dispelling than they are at becoming a dragon
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Become two dragons. All subsequent takeovers are just ever escalating amounts of dragons.
 
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Rafin said:
The duel rules are two Wizards stand equidistantly from the Staff of Volans and the first one to hold it wins? Or are there additional rules, like holding it for a certain amount of time or staying within a certain area with it or using the staff to make your opponent yield?

Because otherwise a Grey Wizard with instant MMM combined with two well placed teleports and invisibility that is enough to fool Dragomas's magic sense might be enough, depending on how long he actually takes to transform.
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It's to death or yield. Most yield when the other gets the Staff of Volans because it's a hell of a power boost, but it's not mandatory.
 
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