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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Deathbybunnies said:
This is all, of course, still predicated on the idea of Heidi asking us to do shady shit instead of what she's described the job as - going out and helping people to earn their gratitude. If she asks us to do something too shady, we can just say "no, that's not what I signed up for, give me something else to do."
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So, speaking as someone who is mostly fine with the Bodyguard position (I had it in my original slate but dropped it after like an hour because it was vying against three other ones I like better): I am concerned about this aspect of what Heidi wants:
BoneyM said:
"Luitpold isn't a young man, and Emperor's a job where many never have the chance to grow old. If something happens to him, Gods forbid, then it needs to be Mandred that's next. Electors don't like child Emperors, and I want to be able to count on their support should the worst happen. If there was a vote tomorrow, it'd almost certainly be Grand Duke Feuerbach of Talabecland. Failing that, Hertwig or van Hal."
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I am 100% on board with the part of the job that is "make Mandred a worthy emperor." But Heidi was also clear that part of the job is "if Luitpold dies before Mandred is a worthy emperor, he still needs to be the next emperor." And, personally, I would probably vote to betray her at that point, because putting a child or otherwise unready emperor on the throne is bad news.

Assuming everything goes according to plan, I foresee zero problems. But if Luitpold dies inconveniently early, that job has the potential to put us in a very awkward squeeze between our duty to the Empire and the plans of our god.
Mopman43 said:
Like, the top 20 posters in the thread probably have something like 90% of the posts, I would wager.
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Oooo, I'm gonna check that. Top 20 at the time I'm writing this have 10270+5776+5103+4722+4608+4599+4508+4443+4440+4090+3647+3524+3144+2905+2867+2733+2274+2238+2220+2170=80281 posts, and the thread has 230,313 posts total. That's 35% of total.

Now, if we're counting by words, I'd give you better odds, but in raw posts, it seems like the tail isn't quite as fat as guessed.
 
DragonParadox said:
Well Hedi is worried enough to hire a Grey LM. Ranald offered to pay us. I think it is reasonable to expect some opposition.
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She is not worried about active opposition, she is worried that what the she currently has won't be enough to overcome innate distaste of the Electors about child emperors. So her goal is not to spike some particular candidate or candidates - ECs have enough of compromise options that making them all non-viable is not really an option - it's earning enough favour with the Electors to overcome above-mentioned innate distaste. Therefore, support, not sabotage.
 
Retrueno said:
Speaking of Dhar, something that I've been wondering for a while, if Dhar is basically all the Winds crushed together, then shouldn't it be possible to do any spell that uses Dhar with High Magic since it also manipulates the 8 Winds?
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Magic is as at least as much mindset as it is the energy involved. Using Dhar, and the construction of its spells, is all about being an authoritarian fuckwit seeking to crush all life under the dominion of your boot. Think Darkseid.

Meanwhile, High Magic is all about balance and harmony. You know, hippy shit (which I say with the sincerest fondness).
 
Rafin said:
The more benevolent interpretation of Ranaldism. Dwarven norms and culture. Insight into the Enemies of Man. Uses and purposes of Magisters. A bit of bureaucracy. How to swing a sword. Why economics matter. Being friends with Dragons. Moving incognito.
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Moving incognito I'm not sure is something we could teach to someone without Ulgu. I'd be glad to be proven wrong, of course.
Being friends with Dragons sounds like it might be a good life philosophy lesson, I guess. How to befriend dwarves too, maybe. Feeling stupid because I can't understand what exactly do these things mean.
The rest seems to be knowledge/subject tutoring and something many people could teach him also.

But, if our place allows us to give Mandred several mage tutors to learn wizard mindset and capabilities, that would be a very useful and maybe unique education opportunity I think.
 
[x] The Waystone Project

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Might be tactically edited as voting develops. My preference is, in order, Waystones>Loremaster-at-Large>Manfred
 
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[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
 
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[x] The Waystone Project

I do want to stay in the Peaks and I want to settle there for the immediate future and give Panoramia a chance to shine. I just don't think we're as necessary for our old role as we may have been, seem like they'd be better off with a more traditional Loremaster and expert in Dwarven law and we'd be better suited to a passion project rather than constantly looking for something to keep us interested. I'd expect we'd still be ready to get involved if something big were to threaten our home either way. This would be pretty useful to Belegar and be an interesting thing to investigate that allows us to work with a lot of sources of lore.
 
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
 
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
 
picklepikkl said:
I am 100% on board with the part of the job that is "make Mandred a worthy emperor." But Heidi was also clear that part of the job is "if Luitpold dies before Mandred is a worthy emperor, he still needs to be the next emperor." And, personally, I would probably vote to betray her at that point, because putting a child or otherwise unready emperor on the throne is bad news.
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Honestly, I trust that we'd have done a good enough job at educating him to know that he should let more competent and trusted people advise him (uh, like us... or Heidi...) until he finishes his education, but yes it wouldn't be a good situation.

Though I've to mention that there'd be a pretty big difference depending on Mandred's age at the point that happens. It's not the same a 7 years old Mandred as 15 years old for example.
 
Just picking the ones I'd be happy with.

[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[x] Border Princess of the Howling River

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[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland​
 
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picklepikkl said:
So, speaking as someone who is mostly fine with the Bodyguard position (I had it in my original slate but dropped it after like an hour because it was vying against three other ones I like better): I am concerned about this aspect of what Heidi wants:

I am 100% on board with the part of the job that is "make Mandred a worthy emperor." But Heidi was also clear that part of the job is "if Luitpold dies before Mandred is a worthy emperor, he still needs to be the next emperor." And, personally, I would probably vote to betray her at that point, because putting a child or otherwise unready emperor on the throne is bad news.

Assuming everything goes according to plan, I foresee zero problems. But if Luitpold dies inconveniently early, that job has the potential to put us in a very awkward squeeze between our duty to the Empire and the plans of our god.
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Eh, a child emperor just needs a good and loyal regent. Someone capable of ruling in his stead and who will actually hand power over when the time comes. Heidi would probably actually do just fine at the former and I doubt she's interested in usurping her own son, though there is a risk of Mandred having trouble escaping her shadow and influence (either real or perceived/accused).

Honestly... a capable dowager empress for the Empire would be pretty cool.
 
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Darth. said:
(This is a bit obsolete but just explaning my reasoning at the time) I was thinking that this would force the people who hadn't voted for either of the options or voted for both, to pick one and that would give us a better idea of what the majority wants.
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The people who want neither voted for neither and the people who voted for both like both. Forcing people to choose differently actually gives a distorted view of the threads preferences when it comes to what people here would actually want to see.
picklepikkl said:
I am 100% on board with the part of the job that is "make Mandred a worthy emperor." But Heidi was also clear that part of the job is "if Luitpold dies before Mandred is a worthy emperor, he still needs to be the next emperor." And, personally, I would probably vote to betray her at that point, because putting a child or otherwise unready emperor on the throne is bad news.

Assuming everything goes according to plan, I foresee zero problems. But if Luitpold dies inconveniently early, that job has the potential to put us in a very awkward squeeze between our duty to the Empire and the plans of our god.
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I'm willing to decide that once we are actually in that position. If Mandred is a smart yet level-headed child surrounded by top quality advisors I am okay with pushing a Child Emperor through the election. If he is a little shit, or really just too risky a prospect I am completely willing to sabotage Heidi and get Roswita on the throne behind her back.
fan_of_D_Andreev said:
Moving incognito I'm not sure is something we could teach to someone without Ulgu. I'd be glad to be proven wrong, of course.
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We didn't really use much Ulgu when we pretended to be a flower shop assistant during our Magister exam.
fan_of_D_Andreev said:
Being friends with Dragons sounds like it might be a good life philosophy lesson, I guess. How to befriend dwarves too, maybe. Feeling stupid because I can't understand what exactly do these things mean.
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It would mean pushing him to meet the young Imperial Dragon in the Zoo, giving Dragomas an in, and telling him stories that show Dragons in a positive light.
The other means making sure he understands the Dwarven mindset, how not to offend them, why offending them is a bad idea, but also teaching him to respect them despite or even for their differences and showing him why it is so super great to be on their good side, even if one doesn't much care about the tenets of Sigmarism.

Edit: Also, making sure multiple languages are a part of his education. Maybe combined with educational trips. If not abroad (heir to the Empire makes this a bad idea) then at least to Dwarven Expat communities within Altdorf and such.
Burned_Cookie said:
How is it this head to head?
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By having a QM that can read his player base and give them more than one option that they actually find enticing.
 
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