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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Well @BoneyM I've gotta say... congratulations for a scenario that no one knows what to do with. And good luck untangling it, because you know the thread is now locked on this thing like a bulldog on a bone.
 
[x] THEORY: The specifics are hazy, but this is a known contingency plan that Borek is entirely aware of, but hoped hadn't been enacted. The result breaks all Dawi notions of acceptability, but Karak Dum survives in some capacity and continues to inflict attrition on every local and visiting Chaos force that want to take a swing at them, so it is considered a lesser evil by the pragmatic Karak Dum.
[X] ACTION: Turn back

[X] THEORY: The Dwarves of Karag Dum did something to burn away the taint of Chaos, much as your Belt of the Unshackled Mountain does, but on a far grander scale. Perhaps it had an effect on the Beastmen here, Cor-Dum included.
 
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If Karak Dum knew about the waystone network they most know what it powers. So they must have thought keeping the flow going must be more important and took drastic measures to do so.
 
Yeah I feel like if that was the case Borek would have gone 'its just an illusion dawg' and kickflipped the entire expedition up to Dum's front gate for blackjack and headpats.

Instead he said 'may the Ancestors forgive us' and left.
 
Nurgle said:
If Karak Dum knew about the waystone network they most know what it powers. So they must have thought keeping the flow going must be more important and took drastic measures to do so.
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And then Karak Vlag got sucked into the warp and broke the line, making their entire effort meaningless until Mathilde managed to see what Teclis couldn't thanks to her immersion in Dwarf culture.
 
Also, @Redshirt Army, I don't think Morghur is being piloted by a dwarf, given that he, "bellows a warbling prayer to the mountain that has become his Herdstone, and from the trees countless more voices join him." It's possible that's due to the Dwarf maintaining Morghur's instincts, but that makes the head pat a mystery again.
Unless that dwarf has gone very very odd :V
 
Dum abandoning their post and hiding behind an illusion is a massive shame, as far as Borek would be concerned. That would be worthy of asking forgiveness.
 
I'm not sure if this has been asked yet, but Morghur should be a giant mass of dhar, right? Higher than background level, unless he's being drained?
 
TempestK said:
And then Karak Vlag got sucked into the warp and broke the line, making their entire effort meaningless until Mathilde managed to see what Teclis couldn't thanks to her immersion in Dwarf culture.
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Would they know that though? To me, it sounds like Dum was stranded in the wilderness with chaos all around them, they wouldn't be able to send scouts to Vlag.
 
Skipping a lot of discussion here, as the thread is moving faster than I can keep up with. But I wonder if rather than mind controlling or enslaving Morghur, they instead hollowed him out. Removed his soul in a way similar to what the Eye of Gazul does, except less destructively (or just as destructively, but counting on his regeneration to let the body survive). And then when the have hollow Morghur, they take a dead dwarf and perform some variant of the rite of gazul that shoves the soul into Morghur's now vacant body.

It would explain the lack of the corruption aura, as that would likely be tied to the original soul, rather than the body. Yet the reputation of Morghur would likely let the possessing dwarf continue to command Beastmen to defend the "headstone".
 
I'm 20 pages behind, so apologies if some of this has been brought up, but I wanted to post before I fall even further behind.

BoneyM said:
You pass tattered banners hammered into the bare stone of more varieties than you can identify, most seemingly Kurgan, some completely unfamiliar to you, and others completely wiped clean by the hot, gritty wind that seems to be blowing directly into your face.
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These have been here for a long time.

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To Dwarves it's very intimate, the sort of thing reserved for direct family, close friends, and lovers.
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Given that Borek didn't immediately mutate, this can't be the real Morghur. This indicates that he recognises it as family - it is, one way or another, a dwarf. Either by disguise... or by controlled mutation. I'd also suggest some manner of possession, except there's absolutely no way that anyone at all puts their mind into the concentrated madness that is the real Morghur and keeps their sanity.

BoneyM said:
Mathilde doesn't know. Khazalid doesn't even have a C, and the only word Mathilde knows with 'kor' is 'Ankor' meaning something like realm, as in the Karaz Ankor (Dwarven Empire) and the Ankor Byrn (Glittering Realm). It might be a linguistic corruption of Gor meaning 'wild beast', but Khazalid generally doesn't get corrupted.

'Dum' means 'doom' or 'darkness', and is sometimes used to indirectly refer to Chaos.
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Can Mathilde ask a dwarf if they know? And can she check and see that everyone's seeing the same thing as her? Even something like different-looking trees would indicate an illusion.
 
[X] THEORY: The Dwarves of Karag Dum did something to burn away the taint of Chaos, much as your Belt of the Unshackled Mountain does, but on a far grander scale. Perhaps it had an effect on the Beastmen here, Cor-Dum included.
[X] THEORY: Morghur has been linked to Karag Dum's waystone, which is acting as a psudo-herdstone that is burning away Dhar instead of creating it. Morghur is possibly cleansed of Dhar, and sees dwarfs of Karag Dum as family. The waystone may have been the cause of the weird geography via Geomancy, and might be weaponized. Based on Boreks last words, this was a longstanding contingency plan held by the dwarfs of Karag Dum. He is ashamed because it's a desecration of one of the greatest relics of the Ancestor Gods, as well as binding the fate of Karag Dum to a Beastmen Demi-God.

[X] ACTION: Turn back

If you're going through hell, keep going
 
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Deathbybunnies said:
Given that Borek didn't immediately mutate, this can't be the real Morghur. This indicates that he recognises it as family - it is, one way or another, a dwarf. Either by disguise... or by controlled mutation. I'd also suggest some manner of possession, except there's absolutely no way that anyone at all puts their mind into the concentrated madness that is the real Morghur and keeps their sanity.
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That assumes that Morghur can't control his mutation skill.

It's also possible (although unlikely) that linking to a waystone untouched by Dhar 'purified' him or something.
 
[x] ACTION: Politely ask Morghur to be granted entrance into Karak Dum.
[x] ACTION: Turn back
 
Klaus said:
Why wouldn't Borek tell us that it's just an illusionary screen, if there might be live, uncorrupted dwarves behind it who haven't finished dwindling, or if the hold had died honorably? He wouldn't want to shame their memory by leaving everyone to think they'd somehow gone chaosy, which is what it looks like now.
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Because this illusion breaks enough Runesmith rules, Runesmiths being both a guild and the Cult of Thungni, to be inherently shameful.
 
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