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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Horium said:
Yes, agreed. My question is, where are those spells? Where is at least one of them?
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He's a Journeyman, with Learning exactly half of Mathilde's, and Magic 5. He's been focusing on honing his existing spells, rather than learning new ones, which is an entirely valid choice. Sure, he could probably cast Wind Blast reliably, but it would take him a while to learn it, and he apparently decided it would be more effective to nail down his existing spells since we're going somewhere that casting is riskier than usual.
He's already an extremely-mobile personal combatant, with Martial 19 - he's got melee, he's got range, and he's got the ability to go wherever he needs to be. He's a pretty good counter to siege weapons that don't have a significant guard force, for one.
DragonParadox said:
It's also worth nothing that happy Hubert with stunted magic is probably safer to take to the Chaos Wastes than and unhappy one with full magic. daemons thrive on resentments and unhappiness.
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Yeah, the Chaos Wastes are certainly not somewhere you want to be casting with penalties to your roll.
 
storryeater said:
So...

What is the best way to pet dragons?
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Try it and find out.

Alliterate said:
I understand why you wanted a vote at this post, being a quest and all, but given the significance here isn't it irresponsible of Mathilde to make this significant a decision on the command structure, before she's even met (edit: or perhaps confirmed) the Knightly Order leadership?
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No. The right decision remains the right decision regardless of whichever Knights turn out to be in command, and holding back until she knows them well means the decision will be made before she has a chance to weigh in.
 
Mopman43 said:
He seems to have spent his time focusing on mastering his flight spell.
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Which he knew already, thereby suggesting that he spent most of his time on martial pursuits rather than wizardly ones.

And I stated in one of my previous posts why that bothers me.

Saidoro said:
It's worth noting that characters with no magic whatsoever do routinely save lives and have battlefield impacts eclipsing those of many generic line troops in Warhammer.
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Some of Heroes and Lords do, yes. And they are quite rare and hence noted for their prowess.

Chances that Hubert is one of them are... small.

Anyway, I said what I have on the matter, and will be giving it a rest as far as this particular subject is concerned, as I really don't see a point in discussing it further.
 
One of these days, we need to check in to the fiefdom. It may be a hole in the wall, but it is ours. Who knows, may use our ungodly wealth to buy everyone exactly one sheep.
 
I think that managing Asarnil will not be anywhere near as much of a time-sink as managing the Knights would be. Asarnil is also a far more unusual unit than the knights and rarely works with dwarfs, making him probably the second best application of our (particularly flexible) leadership. There is a risk of Mathilde being off an an enthusiastic walk and interfering with the chain of command, but I think that it shouldn't be too hard to find a competent aide among our other wizards to help translate. I do wonder how they've been getting along so far, though. So I'm going to come down on:

[X] Lead the Wizards and Asarnil
 
IronFist said:
We might be able to get another Dhar destruction moment like what we had with Gretel ;)
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Egrimm's hivemind would go crazy.

PseudoLurker said:
Not happening. We can only do that with winds we are very familiar with, so shadow and death(from the book). No other wizards for either of those is present.
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We didn't pull on her death magic iirc. We pulled on the actual dhar.
Mopman43 said:
Perhaps he picked up a mastery?
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Wasn't that literally in the text?
BoneyM said:
No. The right decision remains the right decision regardless of whichever Knights turn out to be in command, and holding back until she knows them well means the decision will be made before she has a chance to weigh in.
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She doesn't have to know them well. She just should check if she knows them at all. The Wolves chapter master is a known entity that we have a political in to. I am voting not to take command of the knights, but I would be even more sure of my vote if he were to take the seat in that case.
 
BoneyM said:
No. The right decision remains the right decision regardless of whichever Knights turn out to be in command, and holding back until she knows them well means the decision will be made before she has a chance to weigh in.
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Not sure I agree on the first point, as some people are among other things clearly better suited temperamentally to interacting with touchy dwarves on a two-century-in-the-making mission of honour than others, but thanks for responding.

With the timing concerns imposed also to consider- though I am sure we'll be stretched (possibly badly) by this, I think I have to vote
[X] Lead the Wizards, Knightly Orders, and Asarnil

If we knew for sure that a relatively known quantity like Ruprecht was here, for example, the balance of considerations regarding the optimal structure would probably be different, in this case to get another sound and experienced voice on the command staff.
 
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Given how dysfunctional the command for the expedition has been, assuming that they will handle the Knightly Orders well is a hell of a stretch.
 
Whatever command capacity we pick up, I don't think we should be regularly be primary-scouting on a daily basis. To many kettle(tanks) to manage within the Expedition itself.
Perhaps subject to review in the Chaos Wastes terrain, I'd say, if we lose too many cavalry scout units.
 
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Parzival95 said:
My primary reasoning for voting to take responsibility for Asarnil is that he's not on the war council but the order masters are. I don't want Mathilde to be the lone non-dwarven voice in leadership, but I feel Asarnil would not be given the proper trust/respect as an elgi, despite what he brings to the table. Also, with just Assrnil and the wizards it tightens our responsibilities to the really elite/magicals, rather then great companies of cavalry.
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Yeah, OK, this convinced me to swap.

[X] Lead the Wizards and Asarnil

Anyway, I'm on Team This Was A Fine Move For Hubert. He was never happy with the head-in-the-clouds part of Azyr, so it's a lot better that he accept the parts of Azyr he can love wholeheartedly and set aside the rest than that he develop resentment for his magic -- or even set the whole thing aside, as Mathilde offered him -- because he felt he "had" to grapple with all of it if he wanted to do it "right."

Would it have been better, in some abstract way, if he were emotionally capable of accepting the entirety of Azyr? Sure, in the same way that "being the same, but with more capabilities" is obviously a strict upgrade. But it's not clear to me that this was ever on the table for who he is as a person. So let the man do his shit and work out his relationship with his own magic according to his own history, interests, and psychological hangups. There are a lot of ways to be a great wizard, and not all of them involve suffusing yourself in the full totality of your Wind.
 
ja.b.n. said:
For the dragon, I think it wise to ask him if he wants us to be his representative on the council. Dawi and Elgi don't really mix well at the best of times, and a vengeance-seeking gruff and proud dwarf interaction with dragon prince so proud he defied the Phoenix King seems to me like the recipe for conflict. On the other hand, that pride may very well lead to Arsinel considering it an insult to him if the dawi place a lowly short-life human in command of him, even if it's a human he likes
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It is like the jerks down the street going through your goldfish as an intermediary when they want to talk to you.
 
Asarnil takes contracts from Elector Counts and Tilean Doges and such, I'm sure he'll be happy enough not having to speak with a poo-faced Dawi from Karak Dum and instead dealing with the quite tolerable Silver Savage from Sylvania.
 
The issue with asking Asarnil if he wants to be on the council is his pride. While we could intentionally lead him to declining by focusing on something like how the minutiae of how the wagons are organized is beneath him (or whatever), any raising of our actual concerns about elfs and dwarfs not getting along will likely be met with him thinking he's above being concerned about that or that any failures in that area are clearly on the dwarfs, not on him.
 
[X] Lead the Wizards and Asarnil
[X] Lead the Wizards, Knightly Orders, and Asarnil

I'd prefer to lead everybody since operational command would still lie with the knights themselves, and that puts us in the best position to forestall/smooth over any issues between the knights we recruited and the dwarves we're here to help. But I'll settle for just leading the Wizards and Asarnil.
 
BoneyM said:
He's also added the spell Armour of Lead to his repertoire, and if you do have to clash with the Kurgan, you're sure that their lightweight leathers suddenly become crushingly heavy mid-gallop would prove quite a handicap.
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Possible Typo: suddenly become -> becoming

[X] Lead the Wizards and Asarnil
Trying to command 2 different Knightly Orders along with the Wizards seem like stretching Mathilde too thinly. Also there's less of a need to do so, since they're conventional cavalry and doesn't trigger Dwarven sensibilities like with Asarnil as an Elgi or the Zhufokri.
 
BoneyM said:
I'll also advise you to keep your distance from the Ice Witch and Asarnil, because if you inadvertently offend either it's likely to go badly for you.
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I'm surprised Mathilde didn't add "especially if you're male" for the Ice Witch, they low-key/not-low-key hate male magic users due to that prophecy saying a male Ice Witch would one day taint Ice Magic forever.
Artemis1992 said:
Mechanically, the deal more damage the higher armor the target has.
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So the ultimate counter to Gold Battle Magic is nudism, got it.
picklepikkl said:
He was never happy with the head-in-the-clouds part of Azyr,
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Ironic considering his most powerful spell, Wings of Heaven, can help you put your head in the clouds in the most literal sense.
 
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